Non-Retina Macbook Pro Vs. Refurbished Early 2013 Retina Macbook Pro

Hey guys,
Im currently shopping around for a new laptop as I start University Monday and still have not decided on a Macbook. I originally thought I'd be completely fine purchasing a Non Retina Macbook Pro with student pricing at $999. I was ready to purchase it when I found myself gaining more interest in the Retina version, which seems to be better in every possible way except hard drive space, as well as the obvious difference in price. I feel as is 128GB will be not nearly enough, and the 256GB is $1500 at student pricing, which after tax will be way out of my budget. I've narrowed it down to two choices really, the Newest Non Retina Macbook Pro 13 inch $999, and a Refurbished February 2013 Retina Macbook Pro 13 inch, Non iris and 256 GB.
http://store.apple.com/ca/product/FE...retina-Display
There's the link for it... I guess I'm simply just asking for your opinions guys. My laptop will be used for Internet Browsing, Watching shows, Simple Movie editing, Music, and the occasional low requirement gaming (League of Legends).
One of my concerns is also Resale.. I believe by 2-4 Years I will want to sell my macbook, and Im not sure anyone will even want to purchase a non retina by then, or the value will just plummet.
Also, is the difference in hardware that crazy between the Earlier Retina and current non retina? I know the current retina blows the non retina out of the water, but Im not sure about the early 2013 retina.
I've been saying retina too much lately...
Anyways, let me know what you think guys
Thanks !

First let me address the issue of refurbished MBPs. Same warranty and telephone support as a new one. I have done this three times and will also probably do it next time. In every instance there have been NO detectable cosmetic flaws.
The rertina's fast performance to large extent is due to the SSD storage. Install a SSD in a conventional MBP and you will achieve similar results. The difference in performance between the 2013 and the current models will be slight. You would barely notice and difference in normal light resource applications. My personal feeling is that storage capacity is more important that CPU speed and even RAM. External HDDs are for backups, not for storing data because of storage limitations on the computer (if possible). When I go mobile, I do not want to take an external HDD with me.
Games on any MBP are not going to be a top notch experience. They do not excel in that department.
Ciao.

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Early 2013 13" MacBook Pro runs slow and uses a lot of RAM, why and what can be done?

Problem description:
My computer is using a lot of RAM. Wondering if there’s a hardware issue, or a software issue, or something else. I currently have no programs open in the Doc, besides EntreCheck. and the RAM is showing about 75% used. I’m looking for suggestions on what I can do to speed it up and make it more functional, and efficient for doing design work. I recently upgraded from the original 4GB RAM (2x2GB), and from the original HD to a 512 GB SSD drive, and upgraded to Yosemite. Perhaps that was too much for this machine? Please help with anything that I can do to make it better! Thanks in advance!
I have a recent back-up, I'm open to saving user files and starting from scratch with the current hardware, etc... but would need some direction on how to do this. I did upgrade myself using Apple provided instructions.
Here are the EntreCheck results:
EtreCheck version: 2.0.11 (98)
Report generated December 2, 2014 at 12:45:57 PM EST
Hardware Information: ℹ️
    MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) (Verified)
    MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro8,1
    1 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2-core
    8 GB RAM Upgradeable
        BANK 0/DIMM0
            4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok
        BANK 1/DIMM0
            4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok
    Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported
    Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n
Video Information: ℹ️
    Intel HD Graphics 3000 - VRAM: 512 MB
        Color LCD 1280 x 800
System Software: ℹ️
    OS X 10.10.1 (14B25) - Uptime: 2 days 0:17:23
Disk Information: ℹ️
    Crucial_CT512MX100SSD1 disk0 : (512.11 GB)
    S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
        EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB
        Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB
        SuperCool (disk1) / [Startup]: 510.88 GB (320.22 GB free)
            Core Storage: disk0s2 511.25 GB Online
    MATSHITADVD-R   UJ-898
USB Information: ℹ️
    Microsoft Microsoft® Nano Transceiver v2.0
    Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad
    Apple Inc. BRCM2070 Hub
        Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller
    Apple Inc. FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)
    Western Digital My Passport 070B 319.37 GB
        S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
        EFI (disk2s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB
        NATURE2020 (disk2s2) /Volumes/NATURE2020 : 319.03 GB (169.27 GB free)
    Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver
Thunderbolt Information: ℹ️
    Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus
Gatekeeper: ℹ️
    Mac App Store and identified developers
Problem System Launch Agents: ℹ️
    [failed]    com.apple.security.cloudkeychainproxy.plist
Problem System Launch Daemons: ℹ️
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    [failed]    com.apple.icloud.findmydeviced.plist
    [failed]    com.apple.nehelper.plist
    [failed]    com.apple.nsurlsessiond.plist
    [failed]    com.apple.wdhelper.plist
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    [loaded]    com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support
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User Launch Agents: ℹ️
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    [loaded]    com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist Support
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    [loaded]    com.google.keystone.agent.plist Support
User Login Items: ℹ️
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    iTunesHelper    UNKNOWN (missing value)
    EvernoteHelper    Application (/Applications/Evernote.app/Contents/Library/LoginItems/EvernoteHelper.app)
    Google Drive    ApplicationHidden (/Applications/Google Drive.app)
    Dropbox    ApplicationHidden (/Applications/Dropbox.app)
Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️
    Default Browser: Version: 600 - SDK 10.10
    AdobeAAMDetect: Version: AdobeAAMDetect 2.0.0.0 - SDK 10.7 Support
    FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 15.0.0.239 - SDK 10.6 Support
    AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 11.0.09 - SDK 10.6 Support
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    iPhotoPhotocast: Version: 7.0 - SDK 10.8
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    CouponPrinter-FireFox_v2: Version: Version 1.1.6
    JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 15.0.0 - SDK 10.10 Check version
User Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️
    CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin: Version: 1.0.105 Support
Safari Extensions: ℹ️
    AllMyTube
3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️
    Flash Player Support
    Growl Support
    HDD Fan Control Support
Time Machine: ℹ️
    Skip System Files: NO
    Auto backup: YES
    Volumes being backed up:
        SuperCool: Disk size: 510.88 GB Disk used: 190.66 GB
    Destinations:
        NATURE2020 [Local]
        Total size: 319.03 GB
        Total number of backups: 4
        Oldest backup: 2014-09-10 17:52:44 +0000
        Last backup: 2014-11-19 21:23:34 +0000
        Size of backup disk: Too small
            Backup size 319.03 GB < (Disk used 190.66 GB X 3)
Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️
        22%    mds
         6%    WindowServer
         4%    Creative Cloud
         3%    Dropbox
         0%    Google Drive
Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️
    223 MB    Finder
    137 MB    mds_stores
    120 MB    Dropbox
    86 MB    Creative Cloud
    86 MB    WindowServer
Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️
    2.08 GB    Free RAM
    2.82 GB    Active RAM
    1.64 GB    Inactive RAM
    1.59 GB    Wired RAM
    14.83 GB    Page-ins
    2.06 GB    Page-outs

Lex...
Here's the new EtreCheck that I just ran. At a glance, it seems I may have missed deleting some things or they are stored in an additional location? I haven't jumped into anything yet to really test if there's a difference in performance for me. Once I do I will post that information.
EtreCheck version: 2.0.11 (98)
Report generated December 3, 2014 at 8:46:56 AM EST
Hardware Information: ℹ️
    MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011) (Verified)
    MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro8,1
    1 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5 CPU: 2-core
    8 GB RAM Upgradeable
        BANK 0/DIMM0
            4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok
        BANK 1/DIMM0
            4 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok
    Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported
    Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n
Video Information: ℹ️
    Intel HD Graphics 3000 - VRAM: 512 MB
        Color LCD 1280 x 800
System Software: ℹ️
    OS X 10.10.1 (14B25) - Uptime: 12:43:15
Disk Information: ℹ️
    Crucial_CT512MX100SSD1 disk0 : (512.11 GB)
    S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified
        EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB
        Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB
        SuperCool (disk1) / [Startup]: 510.88 GB (322.45 GB free)
            Core Storage: disk0s2 511.25 GB Online
    MATSHITADVD-R   UJ-898
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        Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller
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User Login Items: ℹ️
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    Flash Player: Version: 15.0.0.239 - SDK 10.6 Support
    Default Browser: Version: 600 - SDK 10.10
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    Silverlight: Version: 5.1.10411.0 - SDK 10.6 Support
    iPhotoPhotocast: Version: 7.0 - SDK 10.8
User Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️
    CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin: Version: 1.0.105 Support
3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️
    Flash Player Support
Time Machine: ℹ️
    Skip System Files: NO
    Auto backup: YES
    Volumes being backed up:
        SuperCool: Disk size: 510.88 GB Disk used: 188.43 GB
    Destinations:
        NATURE2020 [Local]
        Total size: 319.03 GB
        Total number of backups: 4
        Oldest backup: 2014-09-10 17:52:44 +0000
        Last backup: 2014-11-19 21:23:34 +0000
        Size of backup disk: Too small
            Backup size 319.03 GB < (Disk used 188.43 GB X 3)
Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️
         7%    WindowServer
         1%    launchservicesd
         0%    launchd
         0%    fontd
         0%    Core Sync
Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️
    103 MB    mds_stores
    86 MB    Creative Cloud
    86 MB    Finder
    77 MB    WindowServer
    60 MB    systemstatsd
Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️
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    2.28 GB    Active RAM
    900 MB    Inactive RAM
    1.48 GB    Wired RAM
    2.25 GB    Page-ins
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Macbook pro retina early 2013 vs macbook air 2013

I currently have a macbook air 2013 edition 13" with the 1.3ghz haswell chip and 4gb of ram and 128gb flash storage.
Which would be better for me to keep this macbook air or swap for a early 2013 macbook pro retina with 8gb ram and 256gb ssd +200 dollars
In gereral which do you think would be the better choice.
Thanks

It would appear that the retina would be a good deal.
Do you know the other party?
You run the risk of getting a lemon and paying $200 plus your MBA.
Ciao.

Has the new Early 2013 Retina Macbook Pro still lag and display issues?

Hello. I've never had a Mac before and I'm thinking of buying the new "early 2013" 15-inch (2.7 Ghz, 16Gb Ram, $2799) Retina Macbook Pro. I live in Argentina but I'm going to NYC in a couple of weeks and I want to get one there. The thing is, that I can not be returning it 2 or 3 times like I read a lot of peple had to, because I'll be coming back home after 2 weeks and here they will only fix it, not replace it for a new one, and that could take months.
So, I want to know if you guys can help me decide if I should go for it or not, if these image retention and burn in and ui lag issues appear to be fixed with this new model or if it is still the same. If I don't buy this one I'll be getting the new Samsung Series 7 Chronos they showed in CES 2013, still not available in the market. Thanks a lot!

huevo_gnr wrote:
I just checked and I have the LG SJA2, too. I didn't notice any Image retention at first, I tested it with the chessboard test for 5 or 6 minutes, it showed no IR. But with 10 minutes I can see a bit of IR. Nothing that can affect the normal use of the computer, I mean I have to put the chessboard for 10 minutes and then change to grey to notice it, but it does exist and is the SJA2 from LG. If it doesn't get worst, I think it doesn't even matter. I just hope it doesn't get worst.
FWIW, I noticed that until I stopped looking at the chessboard before it switched; my eyes had image retention. But in that awfully long thread on the subject, some have insisted that if it's an LG, it's trouble so I guess there's no guarantee. (BTW, I was writing this when you tried the test again - ocular image retention?)
Not to hijack the thread, but shortly after I posted that "good news" about SJA2, my rMBP simply refused to start at all; it was totally inert. Charging, not charging, SMC reset, nothing helped. Tech support's only solution was bring it in to be fixed.
On a hunch, and remembering something about magnets in the top of the display activating a reed switch in the base, probably near the trackpad, I lifted the front of the Mac about 1/4" inch and let it drop. Bingo! The Mac has operated properly so far. I suspect the reed switch was stuck in the wrong position, and some evidence suggests it was that way out of the box and my fix corrected it.

MacBook Pro 15-inch Early 2011 vs MacBook Air 13-inch 2013

Hello. I currently own a MacBook Pro 15-inch, early 2011 model. It has 8 GB of RAM, a quad-core, 2.3 GHz i7 processor, hi-res, anti-glare display, an AMD 6750m and Intel HD 3000. I bought it off of an Apple product store on Ebay about 3 and a half months ago. It was 1,350$. It was in perfect condition when I bought it, and it still is. I'm really into producing music, and I use Reason 6.5. I also do some other small things on my laptop, like word-processing, web-browsing and I bring it to school everyday. I was wandering if I should sell this laptop on Ebay, and buy a brand-new Macbook Air, 13-inch, 2013 model. The laptop is a little thick and heavy, and its battery-life is nothing compared to the MacBook Air. I really value battery-life I would probably upgrade the RAM to 8 gigs, and maybe upgrade the processor to 1.7 GHz, maybe upgrade the SSD to 256, but I might not. I was wandering if this would be a good idea. How much would I be able to sell this laptop for on Ebay? Is the MacBook Air weaker or stronger than the laptop I am using now? Screen real estate is something that matters a lot when using a music program, which is why I initially went for this laptop. Now, since the MacBook Air is smaller, I know that it displays just as much as this laptop does, so I don't think that the screen size would be that big of a problem. I am thinking about saving up for a 27-inch iMac, which would then be my primary machine, but if I were able to buy one, it wouldn't be for awhile. Anyways, Thanks to anybody who can help me!

Sky Sailing
Is the MacBook Air weaker or stronger than the laptop I am using now
Its stronger in alloy form factor, slim design with only ONE moving part, no HD to crash from mechanical failure of impact etc.
Ive got an Imac and current Air, and owned several Air, the air is the hands down choice for myself and I wouldnt part with it for any amount of money. Also own a couple macbook Pro, new and older one i rebuilt.
Here is an excellent video comparison between the 11” I5 vs. I7 2013 Macbook Air.
http://www.apple-tubes.com/apple-macbook-air-11-mid-2013-haswell-i5-vs-i7-compar ison/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7113/2013-macbook-air-core-i5-4250u-vs-core-i7-465 0u/2
I5 vs. I7 performance 13” Macbook Air 2013
Boot performance
11.7 I5 ……11.4 I7
Cinebench
1.1 I5….1.41 I7
IMovie Import and Opt.
6.69 I5….5.35 I7
IMovie Export
10.33 I5…8.20 I7
Final Cut Pro X
21.47 I5…17.71 I7
Adobe Lightroom 3 Export
25.8 I5….31.8 I7
Adobe Photoshop CS5 Performance
27.3 I5…22.6 I7
Macbook Air:
Only one moving part, ultrafast boot time SSD, the full power of laptop with the weight of an Ipad (close).
Air is the only Mac that has Haswell, 802ac wifi, and incredible 12hr. batt life in 13" I5. HOWEVER NOW the new Pro have 802ac wifi
Recommend buying the Air with 8gig Ram.
Pack around a regular laptop around about 20 days, then an Air, .....after that the standard laptops stays at home.
Only one moving part, the fan. No moving HD heads to crash or moving platters. Runs a LOT cooler than anything else out there (which = durability). Heater is a killer on a scale of 10X over that of accidents.
Also the AIR has far fewer parts to fail inside than a standard laptop. Really only a few replacement parts
The speakers on the Air, contrary to what most people would assume, are much louder than on the macbook Pro.
The Air in general is faster due to the SSD, also if you have a 802ac Router (i.e. Airport Extreme) then the Air over wifi is a LOT faster.
If youre going to be dragging a notebook around campus all the time, the Air makes things a lot more lovely.
The FINAL consideration of course is your application USE, and needs regarding same (see specs and video above)
The new Air, NOW with Mavericks is just 'king of the hill'. Nothing touches it

Can I have 3.0 GHz intel core i7 for MacBook Pro 15 inch (early 2013 edition)?

I want to upgrade my MacBook Pro Retina Display 15'inch with 16 GB RAM to 3.0 or more GHz. Any thoughts if it's possible?

No. The Retina model cannot be upgraded. And no MacBook Pro can have the CPU upgraded.
Clinton

How to get Lion 10.7 on a new Mac Pro 6,1 (Early 2013)?

Hi everyone,
I'm considering an upgrade to the new Mac Pro (6,1 -- Late 2013, i.e. trash can Mac). It's a huge expense and pivot in terms of hardware and workflow for me. But one thing I'm trying to exclude from the equation is having to upgrade my OS. I have a lot of third party software that I'm afraid will bug out on 10.9 (or 10.10 depending on when I purchase this). I've been humming on Lion 10.7.5 for some time and would like to keep it that way.
I had the thought of running my Boot Disk to a Bootable backup drive via something like Carbon Copy Cloner. Then, upon purchase of the new system, boot from that external drive, re-partition the internal SSD on the Mac Pro, and run that boot disk back over to the SSD. Any reason why this would not work in any one's opinion? Has anyone actually tried this yet?
Thanks all!
-JD

JD Marlow wrote:
Actually just had a thought. Prior to purchasing a new Mac Pro, what if I backed up my Lion 10.7.5 boot, then upgraded my current boot to Mavericks. Then upon purchasing the new Mac Pro with Mavericks already on it I could just do what I previously mentioned --- run the boot over to the SSD. Then I don't have to re-install any software.
Thoughts?
You won't be able to boot Lion on a new Mac Pro.
If you migrate your info from the old computer, it will not take the OS stuff.

I plan on buying the Early 2013 15inch Macbook Pro Retina and was wondering what's the difference between the Early 2013 and Mid 2012

Really need a good laptop for editing, and don't get me wrong I love macs.

Retina units cannot upgrade RAM after purchase (non-Retina units can upgrade storage and RAM after purchase).
My humble opinion is to buy the 16 GB now while you can. Unless 16 Gb pushes an already "too much" budget into impossible. If the 16 Gb pushes too far, you can consider a non-Retina 15 in and buy the default RAM to upgrade later.

MacBook Pro 10,2 Early 2013 13" Retina - Hitachi Tuoro Desk Pro 4TB USB 3.0 keeps ejecting

Hi, as subject says, My WD 1.5TB Caviar Black brand new is inside Hitachi Tuoro Desk Pro 4TB USB 3.0 HDD enclosure and keeps ejecting randomly only on wake from sleep. On clean boot HDD works fine. Anyone know solution to this problem?
Thank you

Hi, as subject says, My WD 1.5TB Caviar Black brand new is inside Hitachi Tuoro Desk Pro 4TB USB 3.0 HDD enclosure and keeps ejecting randomly only on wake from sleep. On clean boot HDD works fine. Anyone know solution to this problem?
Thank you

Early 2013 vs. Late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro - which is better? Refurb or New?

Hi, I'm looking to get myself a new (or refurbished) MacBook Pro Retina.
And wondering which one to get (i.e. from the list below).
Brand New (Late-2013) - $2450 (after corporate discount):
CPU 2.3 Ghz (Haswell)
16GB RAM
512 GB SSD
Refurbished (Late-2013) - $2250:
CPU 2.3 Ghz (Haswell)
16GB RAM
512GB SSD
Refurbished (Early-2013) - $2200:
CPU 2.7Ghz (Ivy Bridge)
16GB RAM
512GB SSD
While it might be an obvious choice for some ppl - I'm a bit puzzled. Early-2013 can be with LG screen (which seems to have a lot of complains about).
Will Older-2.7Ghz vs. Newer-2.3Ghz be noticeable for an average user (not a Pro editor etc.)?
What is more important for average and normal (but multi-tasking) performance - is it CPU or RAM or SSD?
And does it make sense to pay $200 more for New vs. Refurbished?
Thanks in advance.

Comparing Late-2013 15” rMBPs.
The 2.6 GHz model is 17% faster on GeekBench 2 benchmarks and has more RAM and so will run faster, but will this percentage be noticeable?
The extra RAM will matter if and when you run enough programs so they do not all fit in memory. For light duty processing that should happen rarely in 8 GB. Even if you run a memory-hungry program like PhotoShop, the extra RAM does not make much of a difference. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5659174?tstart=30 There are larger-memory programs where it would matter but those are not in the mix you have mentioned.
Again the GPU speeds will differ:
2.0 GHz model: Intel Iris Pro 5200 (2.0 GHz)
2.6 GHz model: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M and Intel Iris Pro 5200
For graphics intensive applications the rendering speed differences will be noticeable.
On the applications you mentioned it willl be hard to tell the difference in speed on these two models. Thus you might as well get the one with the larger SSD. If you were to include graphics rendering programs then the 2.6 GHz model speed would be faster, but those are not in the mix of programs you mentioned.
Message was edited by: hands4

Memory leakage Macbook pro retina 15inch Early 2013

Hi,
This is my first posting to the Apple community, so please forgive me if have missed a previous posting on this subject.
I have an early 2013 15 inch MBPro retina running 8 gigs. My previous device was a MBpro 15 early 2008 4 gigs of ram. I never expected the 2013 with double the ram to be constantly dropping below 2 gigs with only FireFox and/or MS word running.   The older 2008 device used only 2 gigs to run these programs. It appears that the 2013 model is using 6 gigs.
I took the 2013 15 inch MBpro retina to the Apple store for the Geniuses to run their diagnostics. They said my device was running normally. To prove such, they simultaneously opened Jim Carrey's web site 8 times and showed me that all of his the crazy stuff was working in each window. They said that it is normal for a SSD machine to run on low memory.
Unfortunately, it has been my experience that when my memory drops when just using my normal Firefox based surfing, my track pad scrolling starts to get very sluggish until my "memory clean" kicks in at 1.6 gigs and brings the memory up to around 2.5 gigs. As I continue to surf, then the process repeats itself. I never expected my old 2008 device to use significantly less ram running light applications better than my new 2013 device.
I have seen others post an "EtreCheck" and hopefully by posting mine, somebody can find what the Apple Geniuses could not.
Thank you for your help!!
EtreCheck version: 2.0.11 (98)
Report generated November 18, 2014 at 7:09:33 PM EST
Hardware Information: ℹ️
    MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Early 2013) (Verified)
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    1 2.4 GHz Intel Core i7 CPU: 4-core
    8 GB RAM Not upgradeable
        BANK 0/DIMM0
            4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz ok
        BANK 1/DIMM0
            4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz ok
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            Core Storage: disk0s2 250.14 GB Online
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        Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller
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Thunderbolt Information: ℹ️
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Gatekeeper: ℹ️
    Mac App Store and identified developers
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        /Library/Extensions
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For OS X 10.9 and later it is normal that all memory is put to use. This shouldn't cause any slowness though (it doesn't on my rMBP with 8GB).
Have you tried things like SMC Reset, PRAM/NVRAM reset and Safe Boot?

Macbook pro 13 retina early 2013 temperature and fan issue

I bought early 2013 Retina 13' i7 two weeks ago. When I open the computer, the temperature of CPU is around 36 degree. When I just search the website, I find that the temperature is around 50 degree. And I also met the fan problems. It will goes up to 5000+ randomly.
I just want to check about the temperature. Is 50 degree normal for a macbook pro?
Thank you.

Yes, for a Retina model. Provide for adequate ventilation when in use. Elevate the rear at least 3/4 to 1". Do not use the computer on your lap, beds, or other surfaces that are not solid like a desk or table.

Doubts about Late 2013 Haswell Macbook Pro with Retina

TL;DR: With its debut of so many new components (Haswell, ac wi-fi, and intel iris pro), is the late 2013 model a truly reliable laptop for 5+ years of use? Or should I buy the early 2013 which has a better history of fewer complaints because it has stuck to and fixed the problems of its predecessor's components.
I'm buying my first Mac Book Pro after in preparation for college (I will be a highschool senior this year):
My decision has come down to two refurbished products: An Early 2013 Retina Mac Book Pro and a Late 2013 Mac Book Pro
My cousin couldn't make up his mind so he accidentally ordered the mid 2012 model, then changed his mind and ordered the early 2013 model, then changed his mind again and decided on the late 2013 model after testing and comparing all 3 along with his 2011 model.
He decided on the late 2013 model http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE293LL/A/refurbished-154-inch-macbook-pro-20g hz-quad-core-intel-i7-with-retina-display
I personally was still torn between early and late 2013 because the late 2013 didnt have a dGPU.
NOW... I've been pretty convinced that the late 2013 is better in almost all aspects EXCEPT... that a quick search of its problems has brought up myriad problems...
Now you are all probably thinking (well of course u dumdum, nobody is going to complain about their mac book being fine); valid point, until my cousin's new late 2013 model started having almost ALL of the problems I researched including: wi-fi problems, constant crashing/screen freezing, rapid battery drain, random computer reboots..
I got a bit worried, so I also searched for early 2013 model problems, and almost nothing came up (in fact i just found late 2013 complaints). SO... I came to the conclusion that the late 2013 truly WAS a problem model given that the early 2013 had MUCH less complaints online, and that my cousin experienced the same problems described in the complaints for the late 2013 model.
NOW... My cousin has decided to replace what he got by returning it and getting another one... This is all nice and dandy except this time around all the problems were lucky to surface before the 14 day return. Most of the complaints described problems surfacing a few MONTHS after, which is wayyyy beyond the 14 day return policy. My cousin then tried to reassure me that no matter what, Apple was reliable and the 1 yr warranty would cover anything. This wasn't very convincing considering what had already occurred and what I had already seen from online complaints.
It wasn't very convincing BECAUSE this late 2013 model incorporated a WHOLE new bunch of new stuff... whereas the early 2013 model seemed to be pretty consistent with predecessors...
I hypothesize that all this NEW entry level stuff (ac wi-fi, intel iris pro, and haswell) is what is causing problems, and that because so many new additions are put together in concert, problems are bound to surface.
The early 2013 model has similar specs to previous models likely because it IMPROVED on the previous models mistakes. The late 2013 model debuted a lot of new things; there was not time to fix anything yet.
SOOOOOOOO... My final conclusion is uncertain... the late 2013 model is clearly designed to be better, but as an early model using so many new things, I can also see it failing a lot when I need it to last 5+ years for college.
NOW... having read my LONG post, please tell me: Early or late 2013?

I thought about doing what you said above, but unfortunately, I didn't have any spare blank DVD's. However, I was able to sucessfully install Windows & on my Mac. What I did was when I got to the error message, I would cancel the installation and that would return me back to the install now window. At that point, I would take out the flash drive and put it into another USB port. It took a few times, but eventually it recognized the drivers and allowed me to install the software. Remember, once you get past that point, the installation will ask you to choose a drive to install Windows on. Highlight the Boot Camp drive and chose "advanced", and then chose "format" after that. After all of this, it should be smooth sailing.

High Temps On rMBP (Early 2013)

Hello,
I have recently been concerned with the temperatures on my Macbook Pro Retina (Early 2013 15", 2.7Ghz i7, 16GB Ram, 500GB SSD). Temperatures at idle are averaging around 55 degrees Celsius. I am using iStat Menus and Temperature Gauge to determine the CPU temperature. Doing daily tasks like Safari, Mail, and iTunes gives me zero fan noise, but temperatures around 70 degrees celsius. Also while doing these tasks the CPU temperature will spike randomly to 95 degrees celsius and greater, sometimes to the 102-105 celsius range. Fan speed does not increase when these spikes occur. Temperature becomes a major issue when using programs such as Handbrake and other converters. While converting, temperatures stay around 97 degrees celsius. I know high temperatures are normal when doing such tasks, but I feel like this might be a little too high. When playing games such as Diablo 3, temperatures stay at a steady 98-105 degrees celsius. Those temperatures occur even when the fans are tuned to the highest using iStat Menus fan control feature. I have reset the SMC and had the same issues. I have not had any system crashes due to temperature, but these temperatures seem out of the norm with what most things I have read have said about rMBP temperature.
Are these temperatures too high and out of the norm? Should I bring the machine to an Apple Store? Am I just being paranoid? I could cook eggs and bacon on the aluminum when doing CPU intensive tasks with these temperatures.
Any and all help is appreciated!
P.S. The machine also has some pretty intense image retention. Using the image retention website (http://www.marco.org/rmbp-irtest.html), I can get retention within only 30 seconds of the test.
Zach

I got exactly the MacBook pro Retina couple of days go (Early 2013 15", 2.4Ghz i7, 8GB Ram, 256GB) with exactly the same problem...
impossible to keep it in my lap, and the only thing i did was to view 1080p Panasonic video as to check the quality of the retina display.
I am extremely frustrated, disappointed and it feels that I burned my money on the MBP, a total waste of money.
Going through the discussions in this site it is obvious that the problem has been known for a long time and seems that Apple does nothing to fix it (or is,indeed, extremely slow).
What is the point of having a "laptop type" Mac, which is a potential health hazard if it is placed on one's lap?

13" Macbook Pro Retina Haswell vs 15" Macbook Pro Retina Early 2013 Refurbished

Interested in buying my first mac this year so i'm weighing the options. Im looking to spend around $2000 for a retina macbook pro, and im trying to decide between:
13-inch: 2.6GHz
with Retina display for $1929
Specifications
2.6GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
16GB 1600MHz memory (upgraded from 8GB)
512GB PCIe-based flash storage1
Intel Iris Graphics
Built-in battery (9 hours)2
And,
Refurbished 15.4-inch MacBook Pro 2.7GHz Quad-core Intel i7 with Retina Display for $2199
Originally released February 2013
15.4-inch (diagonal) Retina display; 2880-by-1800 resolution at 220 pixels per inch
16GB of 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
512GB Flash Storage
720p FaceTime HD Camera
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory
I should note that these are the educational discounted prices
I've already eliminated the new haswell 15" (base model) from my options as it seems like it wasn't that much of an upgrade to the previous gen.
Now the main thing i'm concerned about is longetivity, in that I want to be able to keep this laptop for 5+ years before changing to another. So im just wondering which would be the best for keeping up to the paces of future technology (future-proofed).
The things I would be using it for would be:
-Univeristy school work, so portability and battery life are a bonus but not a requirement for me.
-Occasional Gaming (will want to install windows 8 on it) (Not sure how well iris graphics compares to the gt 650M)
-Document Processing
-HD video and possible editing,
-Occasional Photoshop editing
All replies are appreciated, thanks!

If one of the things you're after is getting the most computer for your money, consider that the 13" is a dual core i5 processor, meaning two cores is what you start with. I'm not sure if hyper-threading is available to take it to an effective four cores. The i7 is a quad core processor but since it can do hyper-threading, you effectively have 8 cores to work with, not four. If you want to install Windows 8 as a virtual machine rather than in BootCamp, you'd need to divide up your cores between your Mac and your virtual PC, and the i5 doesn't give you as much to work with.
The 15" came with Mountain Lion and you have the option of upgrading to Mavericks for free. The 13" offers no choice; it's just Mavericks, and considering the long list of complaints on the Mavericks forum, do you really want to be stuck without a choice?
And then there's screen real-estate. The 15" obviously has more, but you can extend the resolution beyond what Apple limits you to without going all the way to native resolution on both rMBP's using an application like Eye-Friendly (e.g., on the 15" 1920x1200 is the highest Apple approved resolution, but you can go to 2048x1280 or 2560x1600; native is 2880x1800). However since the 15" is (obviously) bigger, the stuff on the screen stays more usable (i.e., visible) at the higher resolutions.
Finally, while the PCIe SSD will be faster than the SSD on the 15", the PCIe SSD is permanent; the SSD on the 15" is not meant to be removed (and doing so would void the warranty if you don't put it back), but it isn't permanent so future upgrades may be possible.

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