NOOB question. Log and capture vs transfer?

What is the difference between log and capture vs log and transfer? I have files on the hard drive of my video camera that I just want to import and store on my computer. Which one would be best for this, and what are they both primarily used for? Thanks! Cheers!

Also, does Final Cut typically not recognize a camera through a USB connection? Does it have to be a firewire? I have a USB out, A/V R, and HDMI out ports on my sony handycam, but all I have is the USB cable for now. Thanks for any additional help.

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Log and capture or Log and transfer?

I'm a newbie to FCP, I've been working at it and researching, so I have a basic understanding, been able to do some good stuff, now I'm looking to find more time-economical ways to do things. I'm a football coach, looking to cut up game films into individual plays (1 play per clip), and ideally being able to name each clip by it's play name "Trap" or "Pop Pass" for example. It looks like I need to get into logging if possible. My workflow at present when dealing with an opponent's film is to take a DVD, and get it onto my computer using MPEG Streamclip. I've been using DVC-PAL as a codec at someone's suggestion, I can't rmemeber where I got that. Is this a mistake? Anyhow, I now import that movie file into FCP using File>Import. At this point I can't do any logging though, if I try Log and Capture or Log and Transfer I get "Unable to initialize video deck", though it tells me I can still use Capture Now. Once it opens the Log and Capture window, I get "Error: this operation requires a controllable deck." and directs me to the Audio/Video Settings. Here's where I'm pretty much lost. Do I try to adjust settings from here? If so, to what? Do I need to start by changing my MPEG Streamclip settings and then trying to match those up in my FCP Audio/Video Settings? Or do I need to completely overhaul the way I'm approaching this? ARGH! I've been impressed with myself getting to this point, any help from here would be greatly appreciated, thanks all!
Grouch

Log and Capture is used if you are capturing footage from tape based formats. DV, HDV, HDCAM...others.
Log and Transfer is for tapeless camera systems. P2, XDCAM, Canon DSLR, AVCHD.
If your footage comes from DVDs...and you convert the footage to QT files...then you simply go to FILE>IMPORT. You don't log with this method. Just import and work with the footage.

Perturbing FCP 7 Log and Capture Question

I tried to digitize some HDV footage this afternoon, in theway I’ve always done it, but now suddenly it doesn’t work. Details to follow, but first my rig:
Mac Pro (Nehalem 2009) running Snow Leopard 10.6.8, NOFIREWIRE 400 PORTS
Final Cut Studio 2 with FCP 7
Sony Z1U HDV/SD videocamera connecting to Mac Pro via i.linkcable (aka firewire); I am using this to ingest because I can’t afford a deckat the moment. I know about thewear on the heads, etc., etc.
OWC Mercury Elite-Al Pro external media drive connected tocomputer via eSATA.
Here’s the scenario (keeping in mind that I’ve done thiscountless times in the past with no problems):
I connect the Z1U to the OWC drive with a 4-pin to 6-pinstandard FW 400 cable. I do thisbecause the Mac Pro does not have any FW 400 inputs but the OWC drivedoes. So I am in effect“daisy-chaining” and perhaps this is the problem.
I turn on the camera.
I start up FCP. It tells me: “Unable tolocate the following external devices: HDV (1440 x 1080) 60i.” After hitting “check again” a fewtimes, I hit “continue.”
I load my new project, into which I want to bring all thiswonderful HDV footage of my friends’ wedding. And, as I have done so many times, I hit command-8 to bringup the log and capture window.
To my horror, it says, “Unable to initialize capturedevice. Device is not connected orthe capture preset is not setup [sic] correctly.” Etc., etc.
I have read many posts here and elsewhere on similarproblems, so let me say what I have done:
I check Easy Setup: It says HDV – 1080i60, which is what it should say.
My Audio/Video Settings are:
Sequence Preset: HDV 1080i60
Capture Preset: HDV
Device Control Preset: Sony HDV Firewire
Video Playback: None
Audio Playback: Default
So now I go to my camera. It is set to output HDV. Component says 1080i/480i. i.LINK Convert is off. Down Convert says Squeeze, but I assume that’s meaningless since thei.LINK Convert is set to off. A/V>DV Out is set to off.
None of this makes a lick of difference, as far as I cantell.
I shut off the camera and disconnect the cable, thenreconnect the cable and turn it back on. No help.
I trash my FCP preferences, start FCP again, redo myprefs. Nothing.
I hit the reset button on the Z1U. Nada.
I do all this and then reboot the computer. Bupkis.
The footage was definitely shot in HDV. I can play it fine on the camerascreen.
I check the cable, which is brand new; it is firmly in placeon both ends.
Okay, so now I turned off the camera, quit FCP, ejected theOWC drive and turned it off. Iunplugged the eSATA cable. I wentand got my MacBook Pro and connected it to the OWC drive with a FW 800 cable. The camera was still connected to theOWC media drive via the i.LINK cable. I turned on the drive; I turned on the MacBook Pro; I turned on theZ1U. I started up FCP, and here’swhat happened:
It worked perfectly. No problem recognizing the camera, noproblem controlling it from the L&C window.
You might say that this solves my problem. But I prefer to edit on my desktopcomputer, and I am irritated that I can’t figure out what’s wrong. My suspicions are that it must havesomething to do with the cabling. FCP is working just fine with the Z1U routed through my media drive, theOWC. The only differences are thatmy drive is not connected to the computer via eSATA but FW 800. I see no differences in the settings.
Any insights?
Thanks,
Giraut

From what you say, I would suggest that the OWC enclosure does not utilize/energize the firewire interface when it is using the eSata.
This is just a guess.
Connect the Drive/Camera to your desktop via the FW800 cable: Mac Pro > FW800 Cable > OWC enclosure >FW 6Pin to 4 Pin Cable > HDV Camera. The speed difference between eSata and FW should be minimal as in each case you are limited by the FW400 connection at the camera.
MtD

Missing Log and Capture window

Firstly, let me say....I'm new to Macs, go easy on me if this is an obvious question.
I'm trying to import some P2 files from a HVX200 but when I click on the Log and Capture option in the menu, I have no Log and Capture window.
In the list in the Window menu it is listed there. Clicking on it seems to do nothing. Is it possible that the window is somehow out of the viewing range of my monitor or something ? If so, how do I restore it ?
Thanks in advance

I haven't used FCP 6 before, but I've seen some tutorials on it, and if I remember correctly, the place you import HD footage is in the "Log and Transfer" window, not the log and capture one. However, log and capture usually just comes up the second you click it in the menu, so that's odd. Maybe it's hiding behind one of your windows haha. --David

Preview disabled in log and capture

I am using Final Cut Pro 7 on the latest iMac i7.
I have a DVCam deck connected to the iMac via a firwire 800 cable.
There is a DV tape with DV footage in the deck.
I am able to control the deck from log and capture but the display is the colour bar window with PREVIEW DISABLED on it.
I have checked and double checked that my settings are correct, that video and audio are selected in capture settings etc etc.
Everything is selected correctly on the deck.
All mu suer preferences and presets are also correct.
I have trashed FCP preferences as well.
The content on the tape is viewable fine on the camera and on an external monitor.
So, in summary:
I am unable to log and capture DV material from the tape even though the deck is controllable from log and capture window.

It's a Sony DVCam DSR 11 deck which will play mini DV or DvCam tapes recorded in PAL or NTSC.
I haven't changed anything on the deck at all since last usung it a few weeks ago with the G5 and Tiger OS. I simply unplugged the firewire and plugged it straight into the new iMac.
The old G5 was running FCP6, but because the G5 and Tiger (it's was a pre Intel machine) won't run FCP7 I decided to use this as the reason to upgrade and chage to the iMac i7 Lion OS.
The material in question is PAL DV on mini tapes.
The camera is a Panasonic DVX100A and only capapble of recording in SD DV.
All the selection switches are correct on the deck. I'm puzzled why I can get the image and capture from the camera, with the same cable, and yet not from the deck.
Thanks Michael

Final Cut crash on 'Log and Capture' selection

Hi guys,
So I have a BlackMagic Decklink Extreme card installed, and hooked up to a Sony J-3 DigiBeta Deck.
When I attempt to 'log and capture' final cut crashes before the capture window pops up. This happens on all setup's (10-bit/8-bit/JPEG) when I have device control turned on (RS-422). If I turn off device control, the capture window opens normally, and I can do a capture now, which is no good to me for logging purposes, or doing offline edits.
So, my question: Is the device control crashing Final Cut due to the fact that Im using an intel mac with Final Cut 5.0.4? Can anyone confirm this for me? Or is there something I can do to fix this? Has anyone experienced this problem?
Device control works outside Final Cut, in BlackMagic Deck Control, so I know its not a card issue.
Im still waiting on a copy of Final Cut 2, its in the pipelines... but in the meantime if there is a quickfix to this, help would be much appreciated, as Final Cut 5.0.4 is otherwise extremely stable for me...
Thanks,

Some background:
720x480 is a non-square format. It can either be the equal of 640 x 480 (4:3) or 954 x 480 (16:9) depending on what you tell your editing software the incoming stream will be.
If you told FCP the incoming stream is DV/NTSC 4:3 and you are getting a pillarboxed image, FCP is thinking you are sending it a 16:9 version and is filling the the sides to keep the aspect ratio correct.
It would help to know a whole lot more about settings within FCP and what your mixer is putting out.
x

Crash upon opening Log and Capture

I'm working with a friend to solve her FCP problem. Everytime she opens the log and capture window FCP crashes. When she starts up FCP they are greeted with the DV NTSC Device is not connected message even if the camera is conected and on. Doing a refresh AV devices does nothing. iMovie recognizes the camera just fine and will control it and capture from the camera which is a Panasonic PV-GS500. I have had her trash her preferences, do an un-install and re-install and repair her permissions on the computer as well. What could be causing this? Does anybody else have any more suggestions?

A few questions back to you, Andrew.
Has this camcorder ever worked with her Mac & FCP in the past, or is this the first try hooking the two together?
Have you tried using a different firewire cable, and/or connecting the camera to a different Mac with FCP installed? Or, have you tried connecting a different camcorder to her Mac?
Does FCP crash when opening Log & Capture even if, in fact, nothing is connected?
A little info about the Mac might be useful, like which model is it, which version of the OS, Quicktime, and FCP are installed?
With my G4, an older OS and a previous version of FCP, sometimes the same thing would happen to me (FCP didn't recognize a camcorder was attached). Changing the startup sequence around usually did the trick -- like start the Mac, then plug in the firewire, turn on the camera, open FCP. Or, plug in firewire, turn on camera, turn on Mac, etc. etc.
MBP 17" w/max memory; and a souped-up G4 that's still useful Mac OS X (10.4.8) FCS, CS2 pkg

FCP 7 Crashes Every Time On Log And Capture

Hi,
I have a Sony TRV950E connected to my new i5 iMac (10.6.4) via Firewire. I've selected Firewire PAL profile. Every time I hit 'Log and capture' FCP 7.0.3 crashes (I've included edited crash log highlights below). If I had any hair I'd have pulled it out long ago over this!
Here's what I've tried so far:
Trashed FCP Prefs
Reinstalled FCP (using FCP remover tool) and patched up to latest version (7.0.3)
Reinstalled Quicktime X from system disc
Ran Disk Utility Repair Permissions several times
Reset PRAM
System profiler lists camera correctly under firewire settings
Tried Firewire PAL Basic profile in FCP
New firewire cable
Noticed Quicktime 7 wasn't installed, so installed from Snow Leopard system disc.
Captures perfectly in iMovie using DV VCR (which proves camera/firewire/cable are working).
As I understand it, quicktime handles the capturing in FCP and I assumed reinstalling Quicktime X would fix it - no dice.
If anybody could shed any light on what else I can try I'd be eternally grateful.
Thanks.
Partial Crash Log
Exception Type: EXCBADACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERNPROTECTIONFAILURE at 0x0000000000000027
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Application Specific Information:
objc_msgSend() selector name: release
Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x998f5ed7 objc_msgSend + 23
1 ...dio.SoundManager.Components 0x0fd02215 HALInputComponentDispatch + 341
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9886bd19 CallComponentDispatch + 29
3 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9886c0a2 CallComponentClose + 43
4 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9886bfcb CloseComponentInternal(ComponentInstanceRecord*) + 101
5 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x9886bf4c CloseComponent + 46
6 com.apple.audio.SoundManager 0x92fbe7a6 SPBCloseDevice + 53
7 ...ickTimeComponents.component 0x925f1b30 _SGSoundClose + 237
8 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x988735a4 CallComponentFunctionCommonWithStorage(char**, ComponentParameters*, long (*)(), unsigned long) + 54
9 ...ickTimeComponents.component 0x925f0cba _SGSoundComponentDispatch + 129

I removed the USB soundcard and it's fixed! All capturing perfectly. Thanks very much Jon.
I have a supplementary question if I may. Ideally when I'm editing I'd like to run the sound through my Mackie MR5's connected via my Numark USB soundcard (the setup I use the rest of the time on this Mac) rather than use the internal iMac speaker.
If I choose 'Numark USB Audio Device' or 'Default' under 'View-Audio Playbak' I only get audio on the viewer window not the canvas? If I change audio output to 'Built In' all audio plays fine on both viewer/canvas. I've tried rendering everything to no avail.
Just seems odd the audio works in the viewer with the soundcard but not the canvas?

Clips I've logged and captured are too fast

I'm trying to log and capture AVCHD clips from an external harddrive and use them in FCE 4.0.1
All seems to be going well, I can preview them and they look great. Once I put a clip into the queue, it transfers over into my project. The only problem is that it plays twice as fast (I can't readjust the speed in the timeline or else it looks choppy). The audio plays normally and gets cut off when the clip ends.
It's endlessly frustrating that the clip looks great in the load and transfer window when I'm previewing it, but is completely wrong in the project. What is going on? And how can I fix this?
Thanks

From the existing info, particularly the clip info it seems like that clips are AVCHD Lite NTSC.
Panasonic still cameras typically use this format. It's not a standard AVCHD format that FCE likes.
It won't work directly in FCE so you will have to transcode to Apple Intermediate Codec.
Try Streamclip from Squared 5 and set the Quicktime export to match FCE>Easy Setup>AVCHD-Apple Intermediate Codec 1920 x 1080i60.
BTW: To identfy the EXISTING Sequence properties right click the Sequence Icon in the Browser and select Item Properties.
Al

"name" field grayed out in Log and Capture

I'm using the latest version of FCP and for some reason the "name" field is grayed out in the log and capture tool. Even when i select "prompt" the clip goes untitled into the logging bin. I am capturing on the fly with no deck control. However, if i try to log a clip with deck control, the prompt works but i still can not enter a clip name in the "name" field on it's own.
any suggestions?
dual 2ghz G5 Mac OS X (10.4.9)

This is the Final Cut Express. You should try your question on the Final Cut pro forum.

Canon Vixia HF M31 Log and Capture

I would like to log and capture in FCP 7 with my Canon Vixia HF M31. It is USB connection only. I am able to Log and Transfer clips, but like to log and import to FCP 7 as I shoot, so Log and Capture. Any ideas on the settings, or if this is even possible? Thx

You cannot live capture with that camera...this won't work over USB.

CHALLENGE: CAPTURE files from JVC H7 Camcorder to FCE via log and capture.

Thanks to this forum I can now capture from my JVC HD7 in real time. BUT, the utility File>Log and Transfer seems lots better. See www.apple.com/finalcutexpress/ and look at the video AVCHD capture. My JVC AVCHD does not seem to be able to log and capture. Maybe some genius can figure it out. Please help.
Thanking in advance.
Don

Attn: Tom Wolsky.
I was disappointed to hear I could not capture by Log and Capture with the JVCE Everio HD7.
May I ask, Do you know any comparable camcorder with a 60 meg HD that would.
Or what would be the best method to capture from the JVC?
I have your book on order and looking forward to it.
Thanks for ant help,
Don

Clip Settings Audio Log and Capture

Whenever I go to capture video from my AJA connected to our DigiBeta deck using Log and Capture, I have to uncheck 14 of the 16 audio tracks turned on under Clip Settings, as I only need two tracks. This seems to be the default audio capture setting. Is there any way to change it to two tracks as the default?

I have this exact same question, only with a Black Magic Deck Link card.

FCP5 Log and Capture...

hi!
i have a JVC GZ-MG505AA hard disk camcorder and i cant get it to use the log and capture functions. I tried to use the easy-setup but FCP cant control my camera. Its 3CCD HDD but i dont know what settings to use. can anybody help me?
thanks
iMac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.8)

I think you are correct when you say "FCP cant control my camera". That model does not have a Firewire port, only USB and S-video and Composite ports. Final Cut requires a FW port to control log and capture functions on a camera.
What does the manual say about the transfer of the files on the camera's HD to a computer via USB? JVC certainly works with PCs, but I'm unsure about the mac. The camera probably came with software to allow this transfer.
I think your best bet is to transfer the files to a PC, transcode the files with Quicktime Pro and then transfer to a Mac for use in FCP.

Unable to Log and Capture AND make FCP a boot disk

I am unable to go into Log and Capture mode in FCP 4. I can capture from firewire using I movie just fine so I know the sytem works. The minute I open Log and Capture from within FCP (with the JVC Mini-DV camera hooked up thru Firewire), it crashes. Help. I upgraded from FCP 3 to FCP 4 a couple years ago and it hasn't worked right since. Would re-installing the FCP 4 upgrade work? Also, my system works very sluggish. Please explain to me how I would make the veersion of FCP 4 my boot disk. I realize that I can't have the FCP 4 application and the media on the same drive but is there a way to partition one of my drives and make FCP one of the startup disks? Hope this isn't too confusing. Thanks.

First off, FCP 4 was darn unstable. FCP 4.5 is a free upgrade and is STILL the most stable version out there. FCP 5 is getting there.
Secondly, try:
Shane's Stock Tip Mantra: If the program was working fine, and now isn't, or just isn't working the way it should, the first things to do are:
1) Trash your FCP preferences. Download the appropriate version of FCP Rescue at http://fcprescue.andersholck.com/ and run it.
2) Open the Disk Utility and Repair Permissions.
As for partitioning the hard drive, that isn't necessary. Hasn't been since FCP 3.
Shane

NOOB question. Log and capture vs transfer?

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