Northwood 3.2G at 54 at idling on Neo2 FIS2R

I am using 865PE Neo2 FIS2R. I just put my new northwood 3.2G and it is at 54 when I am writing code and playing mp3. When I play generals or rip DVD it goes to 70 or above. Quite scary, I mean.
I am using the noiseless ZALMAN CNPS7000A-AlCu Aluminum + Copper CPU Cooler but I guess its Any suggestion, I don't have any plan to go with watercool right now though and sure less noise the better.
Thanks a lot, guys.
on New egg, some guy claiming he use the same cooler to boost a 2.4C to 3.3G
with 47 full loaded. how can it be so bad for my 3.2C? Jesus Crist!!!!
Also, another PS, the pin holes of CPU slot seems much smaller than my via-vpsd's
I spent half an hour to gentlely push my CPU into the slot though my 2.6B went in and out fine. Thanks god it is running anyhow.

if it is a prescott and you are going to cool it with air you will probably have to mount a duct in the side cover if you want to get the temps down to a manageable range( many people have tried other ways without success) unless you go water cooling
I have told this story 100 times so for my own enjoyment I will make it 101 ( sorry to those who have read it the other 100 times )
My prescott ran the same temps as yours except I had blue screens , constant reboots etc etc . I tried the artic silver and all the other options given to me by many helpful people and the temps were still to high for my taste. I was ready to throw the thing in the trash can
I found this link on intel's web site that explains the need for a "thermally advantaged chassis"(see my signature for link) when using a Prescott
I cut the hole, mounted the duct and added an 80mm fan inside the duct just for good measure and PRESTO 42C at idle and never above 55C under an extremme load . This is using the stock HSF that came with the processor. And the topper is that these temps are measured with my system overclocked to 3.59
The mod takes about 15 min and my total cost was only $15.00. you might want to try it( I can send you directions and pictures of my case if you like)
Dave

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Northwood Temp?

I just installed a new PSU and while I was testing it, I noticed the temperatures where high (there where before, but now it's a little more...)
Motherboard    40 °C (104 °F)
Processor      50 °C (122 °F)
Type      Intel Pentium 4HT, 3000 MHz (15 x 200)
Alias      Northwood HyperThreading
the motherboard is a    MSI 865PE Neo2-PS (MS-6728 v2.0).
and I don't understand how since the case is a Thermaltake super tower with 7 fans.
The new PSU is a Thermaltake TR2-430w with two fans.
edit: (those temps are almost idle by the way, I'm only surfing the web...)

What is your existing CPU FAN?
You have a 7 fans chassis, but how these 7 fans work?
3 suck air in and 4 blow air out?
How about making it 5/6/7 blow air out and 2/1/0 suck air in?
It's more important to get more hot air out rather than get more cool air in. That's the theory of Exhaust. More cool air in won't help your in-chassis temperature. Get more air out better!
Also, hot air goes up. Make sure you put the biggest cfm fan at the top of your chassis. Power Supply's fan(s) are usually slow. So... dun expect it to work miracle. Hot air will accumulate at the top of the chassis and make your power supply running much hotter.
However there are parts on the PC that require direct air flow, especially the HDD and onboard CPU Voltage Regulator. These devices work better with air blow towards them. So, arrange your 7 fans the way it should be.

P4-3.2CGHz/800 Sock 478 Northwood

I'm considering building a new pc using the MSI 875P NEO-FIS2R and
an P4-3.2CGHz/800 Sock 478 Northwood. However on the MSI FAQ's
they state the "It can support up to Pentium 4 Northwood 3.06GHz (FSB533) & Pentium 4 Northwood 3GHz (FSB800) CPU", is this true?
Also,
I noticed a few posts about MIS bios problems, were these resolved
with the 3.1 bios 2004-2-24?

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Originally posted by Del UK
I would go with the 875 VER 2 as the Prescott CPU is supported better......!!!
Del
Del--
I never expected you, of all people, to SMOKE CRACK so long as we're dealing with the 478 socket, why would anyone care about the Prescott and its compatibility?
Cgriff--
If I had to do it over again, the only thing I'd do different would be to get the refresh product (i.e. the 865 neo2-pfis2, rather than the 865 neo2-fis2r). I'm going to disagree with Aaron S, here, (and he's perfectly in line if he wants to tell me to go to h*ll), but I think that the only real problem with the 865s is that a vocal minority has freaked out. When push comes to shove, the 865 and 875 chipsets are d*mn near identical. The only real difference is that Intel turned a few things off in the 865s, which mobo makers learned how to turn back on. I honestly think that the supposed problems fall out like this: when people buy a 865 board, rather than an 875, and the get a bad board, they assume that MSI's optimizations are to blame. But when they get a bad 875 board, they RMA it and keep the h*ll quiet. I honestly suspect that the failure rate is similar, but that human psychology causes more people to complain about 865 failures. I wouldn't shy away from the 865s if I were you. They cost less, are just as stable and, depending on the model, are just as fast as their 875 counterparts.

Zalman CNPS7000-CU & 865PE Neo2 FIS2R

I was just wondering if there is enough room for this cooler.
Cause the Northwood cooler (the one with the LED's) is kind of big.
If you use have this board (865PE Neo2 FIS2R) and the cooler (Zalman CNPS7000-CU) then please tell me the idle/load temps for it, and please include which BIOS version (1.0 - 1.3) you're using.
Thanks for your help.

Well bought it - installed it - and it was hmm easy - other then I needed some help from my mum - or a third hand to screw the screwdriver while I pushed the thing down - other then that it went like a charm...
And my temp went down to bellow 30 C with 5V ( Arctic Silver III ) but then I put in some noise dampening matterial in my case and now its arround 45 C :(
SIGH ---
Next I will remove the NB fan and since it aint got no screw holes I have to glue the replacement heatsink to the NB --

865PE NEO2 FIS2R memory problem

I have this 865PE NEO2 FIS2R with a 3ghz northwood (512K cache, 800 fsb).
initially I bought a 1GB Geil PC3500 DDR dual channel kit. installed those into slot 1 and 3, installed windows...during install I would get blue screens. recently I bought a new PC-3700 DDR dual channel kit (industry standard generic stuff). I bought those cause the place I got it from claimed it works on the i875 NEO FIS2R. I figured if it works on the 875P, it should work on the 865PE. with the new memory I get blue screens a tad more often.
I tried both geil sticks again this time as single channel in slots 1 and 2 (Ch. A). I still got blue screens. I did the same with the new PC-3700 RAM, blue screens with that too.
I took those sticks out, and tried 1 Geil PC-3500 stick in slot 1, no blue screens.
Whats the deal here? shouldn't dual channel memory work as dual channel in a dual channel board? WHy can't I use 2 sticks of the same RAM in this board!
is it just incompatiable with geil dual channel? If so what about the PC-3700 RAM I tried as dual. I am thinking about trying a set of OCZ dual channel RAM, but I feel I already got $400 worth of RAM I can't use, I don't really want to waste another $200 if this is just a crappy board.
I'm thinking of just getting the new Asus with the SiS 655TX chipset, supposed to be faster anyway. 2 sticks of RAM would most likely work in that board.
I really don't want to spend anymore money on this though...I spent enough.
the specs:
P4 3ghz northwood
865PE NEO2 FIS2R (with updated 2.3 bios)
Chieftech 650 watt Power supply 36A, 36A, & 32A
BFG geforce FX 5900 Ultra 256MB (also tried an old geforce 2 mx 32MB)
memory tried: 1GB geil PC-3500 dual channel kit & 1GB generic dual channel kit
3com Network interface card
WD 120GB SE hard drive
Plextor 8X DVD-RW drive
Lite on 16X DVDROM drive

This problem is not yet solved....
I tried increasing the ram voltage to 2.8v, it ran fine for about 3 days...then boom..restart
I am seeing other people are having the same problem with these 865/875 boards.
after raising the ram voltage didn't work I tried unplugging all of my extra hard drives 1 by 1 with the memory set to 2.7v.
I am at the point where I have only my boot drive connected with the two DVD drives.
But I am still thinking its my power supply...that power supply caculator page says I need a 519 watt PS?? I have a true550 which is only 530 watt max.
If I do need to add 20% to the power calculated, I would need a 622 watt PS???
I am running speedfan now....how low is the voltages ok to drop to?
the +12 dropped to 11.19, max is 11.80
the rest of the voltages are staying more or less constant .
Oh yea, on occasion the nb fan stops, I get a warning in corecenter saying 0 RPMs.
Also I can't set the fans to high speed, 6000RPM for the nb, and 5000RPM for the CPU.
If I set corecenter to user, and move the slide up to 8, the max is only 3375RPM for the CPU and 3750RPM for the NB fan.
Also every once in awhile the power LED on my case will go out while the system is running.
But thats been doing that for awhile now!
I'm thinking I will connect up my other hard drives again and run this speed fan program again.
update:
I reconnected my drives, ran speed fan, noticed it stops responding after 10 min...I get an error saying smbus cannot be scanned...or something like that.
Also I've got errors when downloading saying I have no ports available. it sounds like the bus is shutting down??
This is not the only MSI 865PE NEO2 FIS2R I have ran into problems with
it looks like I will be getting a new board next week....either an Asus or Abit.

A Newb's Poor CPU Overclocking; RAM Timings?

First, my system specs:
Intel Pentium 4 Prescott 2.8GHz HTT w/ 800MHz FSB
Thermaltake Spark 7+ Xaser Edition A1715 CPU Cooler
MSI 865PE Neo2-FIS2R motherboard (BIOS ver. 3.8)
2x512MB Kingston PC3200 DDR SDRAM @ 400MHz
Maxtor 6Y120M0 120GB HDD 7200RPM SATA150 8MB cache
Built-by-ATI Radeon 9800 Pro @ XT 128MB DDR 256-bit @ 415/744 (Catalyst 4.12)
Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer Revision 3
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum
Sony DDU1612 40x/16x DVD-ROM
Sony CRX230ED 52x/32x CD-RW
Enermax EG475P 470W PSU(+3.3V = 34A, +5V = 40A, +12V = 33A)
I've done quite a bit to my video card in the past few weeks: replaced the stock ATI cooling with a VGA Silencer, flashed my Pro to XT status, and overclocked it mildly.
Just a few days ago I replaced the boxed CPU cooler with a Thermaltake Spark 7+ Xaser Edition A1715 CPU Cooler. Here's where I ran into my first snag: It didn't reduce my temperatures much. At idle my Prescott 2.8 ran at 48 or 49C with the box cooler, and runs exactly the same under load. However, with the stock cooler under load it would get all the way up to 69-71, whereas with this new cooler it only reaches 65-67. Still not what I was expecting with this cooler though.
I decided to delve into a bit of CPU overclocking. I increased the FSB 1MHz at a time, testing after each increase.
Except, I didn't get very far. I was using Call of Duty multiplayer to test, and I get visual errors starting at 203MHz. They're thin vertical white lines that flash for a second and then disappear. Also jagged polygons strewn throughout the screen, usually white or a pale color. When I clock back down to 202MHz, they disappear.
Using CPU-Z I get these values for my RAM modules:
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/ISBop/cpuz1.JPG
In case that picture doesn't work, they are:
FSB:DRAM = 1:1
CAS Latency = 3.0 clocks
RAS to CAS = 3 clocks
RAS Precharge = 3 clocks
Cycle Time = 3 clocks
Bank Cycle Time, DRAM Idle Timer, Total CAS, and Row To Column are all blank and greyed out.
I know that increasing the FSB also increases the memory frequency, so basically I'm trying to figure out if these artifacts are caused by the CPU or the memory. My CPU cooler has manual fan control and when the system is under load I run the fan at high speed, and the temperatures aren't getting that high, so it doesn't seem like the CPU is the problem.
I looked around for specific information about my RAM modules' overclocking abilities, but found little. I found the datasheet for my memory here(PDF format). I was thinking that maybe tightening the timings would enable me to push up my FSB higher. 202 as a limit is a little disappointing, to say the least.
My BIOS settings are as follows:
Performance Mode = Turbo(MAT)
DOT = Disabled
CPU Ratio Selection = Locked
DRAM Frequency = 400
Spread Spectrum = Enabled
CPU Bus Clock = 202
DDR Clock = 404
AGP/PCI Clock = 66.66/33.33
CPU Voltage = 1.3875
DDR Voltage = 2.60
AGP Voltage = 1.65V
System Readings:
System Temperature = 35C
Vcore:
3.3V = 3.184 - 3.248
5.0V = 5.088 - 5.167
12.0V = 12.081 - 12.408

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Originally posted by mmc1234
Yeah, I meant after you put the new one on... RE the software. Perhaps you should look for drivers that are optimized for that game.
If you've got the ram set perfectly. How's the card voltage? And or VCORE?
what does 202 do for you? I mean I'm at 220.
RE the software?
What drivers? You mean graphics drivers? Different drivers haven't made a difference in any game. The artifacts appear once I clock to 203.
I don't know if I have the RAM set correctly. I was posting here to find that out.
By card voltage I assume you mean AGP voltage. Its at 2.65V. Vcore is at the lowest setting, 1.3875. I tried 1.4000 and 1.4150 but neither affected the overclocking ability either way. Still produced artifacts at 203.
How did you get to 220? What happened when you went higher than that?

New Mobo- Now OS won't boot

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here are my specs that i have now:
865PE NEO2-FIS2R
FX5600-VTD256
WD800 (w/ 8mb cache)
Intel 2.6 (Northwood)
300 Watt PSU (i don't know what info is relevant)
Ram 256 (333) i think - I don't know how to check the specs
WinXP Pro (upgraded from 98SE)
Problem:
I had all MSI components before. I brought over the HDD that had XP Pro on it. First time up it just boot up to the Safe Mode screen. 2 Beeps then a reboot to the Safe Mode again, and it keeps doing this. Note: the new mobo didn't do the regular system inventory, proc speed, ram etc. But the BIOS found everything.
Tried a boot disk, it then said that the OS had problems and couldn't boot.
I am a little fuzzy on the BIOS, so if you can help me out. I am not messing with RAID or SATA. Are there any specifics I should know. I did set ram voltage to 2.7.
I tested the Western Dig HDD and with their diag and it came out perfect. I tried to repair XP but it fails everytime. Here is the error that it gives. C:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\asms "One of the components Windows needs to continue setup could not be installed."
I was beginning to think it was Gates' fault (imagine that). But then i dropped in a Win2K HDD that i had tested on another system at work. And the new HDD won't boot up either. It tries to boot up, the Win2K screen flashes and then straight to a Blue Screen. It says "Inaccessible_BOOT_Device"
Help Please!!! Let me know what other info might be helpful.
[email protected]

Well, i did finally get it to take the OS. But it would not boot to the HDD. When you first start up the pc it sets on autodetect of the primary for over 30 seconds and never finds it. You could manual boot to the HDD by a F11. I finally figured out how to flash the bios, so now i am up to date on that.
Now it will boot to the hdd, but it takes over 2 minutes and a lot of just black screen. Is there a setting I am missing in the BIOS?
I am not running any sata or raid configs. Could someone give me the basic setup for this, especially where the ide config is concerned. Or why it is taking so long to boot up. I know it isn't normal for my 1.6 never took that long.
Thanks for all of your help.
Matt

NEO2-FIS2R ATI 9800 AIW Pro TV Tuner causes freezes/blue screens. Help!

I recently upgraded my system from P4 2.4Ghz to P4 3.4Ghz Northwood and went from All in Wonder Radeon to 9800 AIW Pro. Only other change worth mentioning is I created a 0+1 RAID using 4 hard drives which were previously configured differently. I watch a lot of TV while I work on the computer. I do a lot of disk writes and data management which ultimately creates a lot of transfering of data between disks. Never was a problem in the old config. BTW, I also use an external HD conntected through USB for data transfers as well.
Immediately, my system went from stable to unstable. I first noticed that the destop redraw on bootup was slower. Then I noticed that the TV had a delayed response on changing channels and changing volume. Switching to another window causes a slow redraw and sometimes causes a jerk in the TV display like a hickup. Other symptoms include blue screens but no driver is referenced. The blue screen otherwise is a normal STOP screen except for the bottom quarter of the monitor which looks like video garble. Sometimes it just reboots. Sometimes, it freezes. I noticed that doing disk transfers while watching TV usually speeds up the behavior. Comparatively, my use of the TV in the old config was transparent regarless of how much I taxed the system.
Anyway, in view of the unexpected behavior, I decided to backup and reinstall the OS from scratch using a vanilla install method. Everything was detected properly, OS installed fine. Installed ATI's latest Catalyst drivers. I turn on the TV and within about 15 minutes of use, the erratic behavior begins. I figured it was a bad card so I exchanged it out. Same thing with the new card. ATI is shrugging their shoulders and pointing at MSI.
I ran hardware tests, updated the MB BIOS to latest available. Tested all four hard drives/RAM. I can't find any hardware issues. I'm very conservative with my BIOS settings so aside from the default values, I have only changed the settings required to allow for a 0+1 RAID config on the Promise controller.
I put my old ATI Radeon back in and ran the TV for hours and had no problems at all. I also swapped my old 2.4 back in with the 9800 AIW Pro and the problem is recreated so that is what has me ruling out the processor.
Here's what the box looks like inside.
Antec 480 True Blue
MSI NEO2-FIS2R (w/latest BIOS)
1GB Corsair VS512MB400 x 2
4 Maxtor 160GB hard drives, 8MB Cache, 2ea SATA, 2ea PATA
Intel 3.4Ghz Northwood CPU, 512KB, 800FSB w/Zalman 7700CU HS/F
ATI 9800 AIW Pro 128MB DDR
Front/Rear 120mm Case Fans
Optical drive, floppy drive, modem card, sound card.
NOTE: All USB ports are being used by devices with their own power supply except for a web camera. All fans are using power from PSU. No fans use MB power.
I also checked to insure that the AGP card was seated correctly and verified that it was. So, I'm pretty bummed out that I just dropped circa $500 on improving my system but I can't even get it work as well as it used to.
I think I have found the problem but short of getting rid of the 9800 AIW Pro, I am hoping that someone else has had this problem and can help me out. Your ideas would be greatly appreciated!!!

Good News!!
While the DDR voltage was set to 2.7, I recreated the conditions in which the failures tended to occur. Within minutes, it was obvious that something had changed as I had never gone that far without getting kicked out, freezing up, or blue screening. Since this is looking more and more like a power issue, I decided to leave all of my external USB connections disconnected except for the external hard drive because I normally transfer data back and forth frequently from it.
When I saw that the system was holding up well, I connected the rest of the USB connections. Everything ran OK for a few minutes but then the sound from the TV dropped out while the picture continued to function. Although, this marked another failure, it was a marked improvement over what had been happening previously.
NovJoe suggested tweaking the voltage to 2.7 ~ 2.8 so I upped the voltage to 2.8 and setup the same environment and the machine has run that way for about 3 hours. That one increment seems to have made a difference.
Questions which come to mind.
1. If this is a power issue, is it the motherboard's inability to supply the correct voltage to the motherboard components or is it a PSU issue which isn't providing the motherboard enough juice to do its job or a combination of both?
2. If this issue can be corrected through tweaking voltages, how do you know how far to go before damaging system components?
One of the original symptoms with the TV is still apparent. Upon changing channels, there is a second delay before the sound and picture synchronize. Changing foreground windows also causes a "hickup" in the TV's sound/video. I'm more concerned with what this behavior may mean from a system performance standpoint rather than the annoyance since this is a 9800 AIW Pro and it should be snappy instead of sluggish.
Up the AGP voltage? On that subject, the people here seem to have a lot of background with tweaking the BIOS. I'd appreciate any other ideas in tweaking this system as well.
Ultimately, I have to answer the question of whether I need to get a bigger PSU or can I safely correct my system performance by using BIOS tweaks?
Thanks again for all your help.

FX5900-VTD128 hates white-backgrounds!!!

Greetings-
I have an MSI FX5900-VTD128(602-8929-020) VGA card which really doesn’t like white backgrounds!!! I mean whenever I open an app. that has a white background, like winXP’s ‘My Computer’, the common ‘File Save as…’ dialog box or even in a game’s static config. screen which has areas with intense white colour, my monitor suddenly displays a blinking colorful image (like the VGA test screens of those emulation(MAME) arcade games!) for a few seconds and then it switches to power-save mode. If I press the reset-button, the system restarts but the monitor
still blinks. To fix it I have to either turn-off the system or press the key
a few times till it restarts.
In the latter case, windows reboots and reports a system-crash with the following message:
// Watchdog Event Log File
LogType: Watchdog
Created: 2003-11-17 16:44:19
TimeZone: -120 - GTB Standard Time
WindowsVersion: XP
EventType: 0xEA - Thread Stuck in Device Driver
// The driver for the display device got stuck in an infinite loop. This
// usually indicates a problem with the device itself or with the device
// driver programming the hardware incorrectly. Please check with your
// display device vendor for any driver updates.
ShutdownCount: 17
Shutdown: 0
EventCount: 2
BreakCount: 2
BugcheckTriggered: 1
DebuggerNotPresent: 1
DriverName: nv4_disp
EaRecovery: 1
EventFlag: 1
DeviceClass: Display
DeviceDescription: MSI MS-StarForce GeForce FX 5900 (NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900)
HardwareID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0331&SUBSYS_92911462&REV_A1
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
DriverFixedFileInfo: FEEF04BD 00010000 0006000E 000A1133 0006000E 000A1133 0000003F 00000008 00040004 00000003 00000004 00000000 00000000
DriverCompanyName: NVIDIA Corporation
DriverFileDescription: NVIDIA Compatible Windows 2000 Display driver, Version 44.03
DriverFileVersion: 6.14.10.4403
DriverInternalName: nv4_disp.dll
DriverLegalCopyright: (C) NVIDIA Corporation. All rights reserved.
DriverOriginalFilename: nv4_disp.dll
DriverProductName: NVIDIA Compatible Windows 2000 Display driver, Version 44.03
DriverProductVersion: 6.14.10.4403
I have tried all drivers up to version 56.63(problematic with WDM!). Currently, I have v53.03(Not MSI’s version but downloaded from MSI’s web site. Driver is not WHQL-certified) which seems to be OK overall. If I disable the ‘window transparency’ on dragging, in the ‘nView’ properties util., the problem doesn’t occur so frequently!
Apart from the aforementioned situation, the card works just fine with any 3D game…
Thanks,
Sotiris.
P.S.: On Linux (Mandrake v9.2) I’ve never had any problems, using the std. XFree nv driver!!!
However, KDE doesn’t have windows with an intense white backgroundJ!!!
MSI 865PE Neo2 FIS2R motherboard – BIOS v2.2,
CPU P4 2.8 FSB800 HT (D.O.T. set to private - max ~2827MHz),
Std. Intel CPU-Fan(max ~3750rpm!)
2x256 DDR 400 RAM (manufacturer: Jetram) BIOS setting= fast,
MSI FX5900-VTD128(602-8929-020) VGA – BIOS v4.35.20.18.04,
Monitor: Hitachi CM772 (flat CRT)
Temp.: CPU Idle= 44-46 (with air temp ~34-36C°)
CPU Max=68-69 (doing for ~2½ - 3 hours DivX encoding with 99% CPU utilization!)
PSU: 550W Dual-fan
Voltage: (from CoreCenter)
Vcore: 1.54V
3.3V: 3.28V - 3.30V
+5V: 5.11V
+12V: 12.14V
Memory: 2.80V
AGP: 1.7V
OS: M$-winXP, SP1 plus more than 30 hotfixes…and still counting!!!

There is no easy path from ID to AI. You can try copy/paste, but don't expect miracles. Export to PDF/X-4 might work, too, but you'll have a lot of cleanup to do in Illustrator (which is not a general purpose PDF editor).

OC Limitations?

Im attempting to OC my 856PE Neo2 FIS2R MB and cant seem to push it past 220 FSB (2.4Ghz @ 2.6 Ghz). It always locks up or restarts once i push it past 220...Ive checked out my temperatures and it floats around 45-50C under stress and 39 idle. Are my temps killing me or is it my other parts which cant handle the increase in the FSB? Cause i dont want to go out and buy a killer fan if its not going to help.
Can someone share their experience with this board model?
Thanks
PS. I have DOT off and my performance Slow when i attempt to OC

I have the 1.52b Bios going, Stock Cooling, 4 case fans...
Im still a little nervous about OC though....just not sure if my components will like the increas on the fsb ?( For example, i OCd to 2.6 from 2.4 and i noticed little shutters and glitches when i play games...It could be a heat issue because my vc is quite warm when i touch it, so im going to get me a blower overtop my card. And to be honest, im not sure the increase in performance is worth the risk...I only get an increas of maybe 500 or 600 pts in 3dmark 2001.
So maybe 2.4 is good enuf for me
thanks for ur help :D

Will A MS6728-Neo2 FIS2R support a 3.4 CPU? Will I feel the difference outside of my Wallet :)

Hey Guys, I'm thinking of upgrading. Will my MSI 6728 - 865PE Neo2 FIS2R support a 3.4 Cpu i.e. 3.4EE or 3.4 Northwood.

hmmm, i "upgraded" from a 2.8c to a 3.2(c) 800FSB. since you want 3.4GHz i dont know what the difference is there, even though i have mine oc'ed 24/7 to 3.6GHz.
well, i notice almost no difference i games. and since thats everything i do with my machine, besides some surfing the internet or some work for uni it wasnt worth the extra cash.
but it feels good to have it anyway. every benchmark gives you higher scores and overclocking has become a little easier since i dont have to crank up the FSB that much compared to my old 2.8c aka, its more stable @ higher speeds - and i can use some PC3200 memory without having to fear that it will hold me back.
so, its really up to you. when you game alot you wont find any improvements and you should save your money. but if its benchmark scores what you're after, or you want some safe overclocks in the 3.6 - 3.8GHz region, then 3.x P4s are the way to go.
another advantage even if its little is, that you can use LL memory, because you dont need PC3700 or faster stuff.

C'me on guys...

..which RAM should i buy? (brand, timings, speed)
i want to do dual channel (1GB) and some hardcore overclocking (on air though). which RAM would rock with these other parts (mobo!) and would be completely stable @ stock and oc'd high FSB? and my system specs are:
MSI 865PE Neo2 FIS2R
Pentium 4 2.8c FSB800 (soon to be replaced with 3.2c)
9800XT
Sound Blaster Live! 1024
Win2k SP4

Well I would First tell you that Switching from a 2.8 (C) to a 3.2 (C) is not that Great of an Idea , As aside from the Money that you save and could spend Other Things is the first Reason not to Bother with a 3.2 (C), The other reason is that the 3.2 (C) would be a Crap shoot on how much Overclocking Headroom that you may, or may Not Get, I have seen more instances where a 2.8 C can Reach Just as High, or Higher MHZ with a FSB Speed Increase, Dont Get me wrong, as I have a Regular Northwood 3.2 C, and I know other Members that have them also, And It is Common Knowledge that they Have the Least amount of Overclocking Headroom, as they are almost the Fastest Speed in the Northwood Line....I am in No way saying that the 3.2 C is a Poor Chip, I am saying that with "Air" Cooling you Will Be Lucky if you can Run at 3.6 GHZ, and I know where some of the Guy's have thier 2.8's running at 3.6GHZ, Right now , so if you want to upgrade Just so you can say that you have one of the Highest Speed Rated CPU's thats Fine (As thats why I got it ) but I am Just warning you to the Fact that the 3.2GHZ Northwoods MAXIMUM Speed (With even Phaze Change Cooling) is 4.0GHZ, and this is Because INTEL has the Max External Clock speed "Locked to 4.0GHZ" , But as I have said, You wont be even getting Close to that, as With my 14 Fans in my Rig, will still only let her Get to 3.6GHZ (Stable) Speed..But If it is Still that important to you after this, Then more Power to you .....As for Some Great Overclocking Memory, any of the Big Four's(Corsair, Kingston, OCZ, Mushkin) Top of the Line Modules will work just Fine, Just make Sure that you Choose the Fastest Speed Rating that you can Afford, such as PC-4000, or at least PC-3700..................Sean REILLY875

Enabling PAT...

I have had this motherboard for 2 years now and tried every possible combination to enable PAT. PAT should be enabled by setting the performance mode to "Ultra" or "Ultra-Turbo". However, I have NEVER been able to get past the boot up with either of these settings. I have set the bios with the default settings as well as dozens of OC combinations, but no luck. I can OC the board easily and with good stability.. Currently running P4 [email protected] (Northwood), 220Mhz FSB, 1.5875 Vcore, 2.7V Mem, 1.6V AGP. which is very stable and runs between 38-40C. But if I enable Performance Mode to anything above "Fast", the system hangs at boot-up followed by a reset of the bios to the default settings....Ultra-Turbo completely shuts the system down.
My memory consists of 4x512 Kingston HyperX. These are excellent sticks so there should not be a problem. I have tried running this with 2 sticks as well but the board refuses to stabilze with any performace setting above Fast. I have tried to use the DOT, but the stability is shaky above the Captain setting. The SDRAM setting is set to "SPD" "Enabled".
Has anyone gotten this board to be stable with the Turbo or Ultra-Turbo settings? Are there some DRAM settings that I could try to stabilize this?
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
P4 3.4 @ 3.7
865PE Neo2-FIS2R (Rev1 AMI 2.5 Bios)
2 GB Kngstn HpX PC3200
ATI 9800 Pro AIW
2x36 GB SATA WD Raptor (RAID 0)
1 x 300 GB Maxtor SATA
NEC ND-3500AG DVD_RW
Dell 2405FPW Digital Flat Screen
beullar

Thanks for all the great advice everyone.... : I have tried most of these, but will try setting the memory to 333 and check it that way. I set the Kingston memory to CL3 as recommended by Kingston but it still failed when I set performance to Turbo or Ultra. In fact, I get a lot of instability anytime I take the DDR spd setting out of "enabled" and let the bios set the memory speed.
Quote from: sky_on on 07-December-05, 11:57:11
Hemm... back to the day where PAT is talked anywhere...
Over 218, PAT can savely enabled (I mean MAT, as CPU-Z will read PAT=disabled, but there's still some performace increase, I guess it's partial PAT -yes, there's levels on PAT-), and as far I remembered, it doesn't need to over 225 (like Danny said), just over 218.
Did I understand you correctly "Sky on" when you say that PAT (MAT) is enabled regardless of the performance setting, if the FSB is set above 218?
Something else I have noticed. Has anyone ever noted that the disc read speed is SERIOUSLY reduced when you raise the FSB setting. I have a RAID 0 with 2 x 36GB SATA Raptors and they drop from a speed rating of 110 Mbps to 40-50 when the FSB is set above 217? My 300 Gb SATA Maxtor drops from 50 Mbps to 25-30.
Thanks

MSI NEO 2 FIS2R 6728 questions

Guys, A couple of questions about my 865 PE Neo2 Fis2r board.
1. I'm running Speedfan and I've noticed something odd. My core voltage readings. I have a P4 Northwood 3.4 and here are my readings: vcoreA: 1.54v vcoreB: 2.21v
Why is coreB voltage so high? Is it normal for the voltage to be so high on coreb?
I also verified the reading using Everest and it matches Speedfan.
2. While I'm at it does anyone know why MSI stopped updating drivers for our boards?
For Instance on my board: Sound drivers for directX C were never updated the latest version is for directX B. I'm sure everyone knows how quickly sound driver can bring your rig to its knees.
Also the on board Sata and Promise 376/378 controller drivers are way outdated. If you go to any of the driver sites such as driver scan they these will come up quickly.
I went to intel site and found what I believe are the latest SATA, but couldn't find the correct ones on the Promise site or the DirectX C sound drivers on the Cmedia site for our boards.
ccb33

1) I think A stands for your CPU and B stands for your RAMs.
2) These are already EOL boards for some years already, it's common that they R&D for newer boards.

3dMark crashes... help!

Howdy all.... back for help. I upgraded from an nVidia 5900u (6738 score) to a new MSI X800 XT PE (12,319 score) and decided to rebuild my system to see if a clean restart with the new card would improve my score.
Seriously bad mojo: Since the complete OS rebuild (drive format and fresh install) 3DMark will crash at test 4, right after the trolls lair test.
The Windows error message cites that the direcdll.dll file is the cause of the problem. I uninstalled and reinstalled 3DMark, and then couldnt even get beyond the opening logo without a crash. I found advice on the 3Dmark board, and made sure that DLL was the same verision (it wasn't) that that allows me to get back to the start of test 4.
I am curious if this could be a system timing thing but I find that hard to believe as it ran just fine with the 5900u AND the X800 prior to the system rebuild. I was crashing at the end of test 2, and reduced my FSB overclock from 225x16 to 215x16 and now can make it to the start of test 4. That said... I can roll all the way down to 200x16 and still crash at 4.
I have been also told that MAYBE this is a PSU problem in that with the new card under mega load, my PSU isnt supplying enough juice. Also was told that I should check the "12 volt rail" but am unclear on how to do so. Corecenter shows me the +12v currently running at 11.85 to 11.9 at idle on the desktop.
Any advice?
System specs:
Win XPsp2
RaidMax Scorpio 868 Black Mid Tower Window Case
420w PS
MSI|865PE Neo2 -FIS2R (bios 2.3)
Intel P4 3.2 @ 3.60 (225fsb x 16) 800FSB HT
Corsair TWINX1024-3700 3x4x4x8 2.75vdimm
MSI ATI x800 XT Platinum Edition VIVO 256mb
DVD+/-RW PLEXTOR|PX-708A/SW-BL R
SOUND BLASTER|AUDIGY 2 ZS
HD 80GB|HITC SATA 8MB 13G0252
HD 80GB ATA Maxtor
Zalman 7000a - CU full copper heatsink

yes was a bit low ive got the same psu alotuhgh i havnt experainced any probs as yet also i must say its a very quiet psu..
Ass soon as i need to upgrade something iull get a new psu got my eyes on a super flower 550 30a-12 v 28 3.3v 50 odd on the 5v

Northwood 3.2G at 54 at idling on Neo2 FIS2R

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