Notation in L8 - chord symbols and brackets

Hello again -
I've seen this question a couple of times, and wondered if anyone yet had an answer/workaround... The chord symbols in L8 seem a bit ugly - I can change the font fine, but is there any way I can:
1 - bring the 7 part of a G7 chord more in line with the G? It seems so high as to be almost disconnected from the chord!
2 - reduce the overall size of the symbol in a G-over-D type chord?
Also, I'm working on very simple piano/vocal parts and am getting the hang of joining them together, but at the moment I can't seem to get rid of a bracket that is joining all three staves together. What I want is all three staves joined at the beginning of each line by a single thin line (like a bar line), then the two piano staves joined by a curly bracket. At the moment I have this, but there is an additional thick, straight bracket (almost like a repeat sign without the dots) that I don't want. How do I get rid of it?
Thanks!
Joe

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.. I totally sympathise with your frustrations. In L7 the system was much simpler and intuitive. See further comments on this very subject:
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8593456#8593456
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John Bertram wrote:
Question 2):
Other than simply repositioning those blue chord symbols which appear in the Score window (after selecting the Insert Chords function), or editing them by double-clicking on them, are there any cleverly-hidden formatting options as well: font, font size, making the bottom letter smaller than the root letter, etc? Or has that kind of window-dressing not yet been built in?
Well, no takers after two weeks, but at least I can now answer one of the above questions myself for the benefit of anyone searching this topic.
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