Notation Problems with Logic Express 8

Hello there,
I´m a new member here and have a question about a notation problem with Express 8.
When I´m trying to double measure bars (is this correct? In german we call them "Doppelstriche". They are to divide one part from another... hope anyone understands this), they disappear. I don´t know why, but it happens after about a minute after writing them into the Complete Set... it never happened in Logic 7, it´s a new problem for me...
I thought that perhaps I pushed a wrong button by accident, but even when I did it correctly, securing everything, locking screensets, it disappeared...
hope anybody does know anything about this,
Alex

We just call them 'double lines' although a double 'bar' line is the thick/thin pair that ends a piece.
I did a simple test myself, just ran some notes in the Piano roll and got some 'score' to edit and dragged and dropped the double lines in place, no problems. I closed, opened, resaved, and played the 'piece' for a few minutes on loop, nothing went wrong.
Perhaps I am missing something but i don't seem to be able to see them dissappearing.

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unfriendly. There should be a simple way to specify
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Logic's many annoyances. I have tried to pursue this
heavily in the past, but sadly I was completely
ignored by her on all levels. Maybe you all can help
make a difference?
Wait in line buddy!
(LOL)
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Probleme with PCI Express Root Complex

I bought an hp 15t - j100 with Windows 8.1 but on windows 8.1 but i needed change to windows 8 and now i have a problem with PCI Express Root Complex code 28. The drives i have donwload for hp site http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareCategory?os=4158&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&sw_lang=&product=6521...
I need help to solve that problem
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Hi:
You need this driver...
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-124661-1&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en...

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