Note length in Score Editor

This seems like a simple task with a simple solution, but I cannot figure it out. I am adding notes using the score editor rather than the piano roll and I want to change the rhythm of a certain measure. For example lets say I have 4 quarter notes in a measure and later on I change my mind and say I want 3 quarter notes and two 8th notes. Or maybe I want to change the length of a quarter note to a dotted quarter note and then add an 8th note. Is there an easy way to do this without deleting the entire contents of that measure. I have tried increasing and decreasing the length/info in the event list, but maybe I am doing it wrong cause nothing changes? I am new to logic, especially the score editor so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

Hi
There are a few peculiarities when working in the Score Editor.
First, you should familiarise yourself with the "Interpretation" function. This tries to present 'clean' notation by interpreting the MIDI note events position and length. It will 'round up' the note/rest sizes displayed, without affecting any of the MIDI data. With Interpretation ON, changing the length of the note events in the Event List etc. may well not alter the notation.
Second, you need to consider the Score Quantise function, which again does not alter the MIDI note events. In the Score, quantise merely sets the size of the smallest note or rest that will be displayed.
You can adjust the absolute note length by various means, including:
Event List
Event Float
Score:View;Duration Bars
Event parameters in the Score Inspector
Switch to the Piano Roll
etc
CCT

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Is it possible to change the length of a note in the score editor?

I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
I don't want to do this by going over to the "Length" dialog on the left because I hate having to switch from thinking in terms of music notation and then having to think (temporarily) in MIDI ticks per beat, etc.
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dhjdhj wrote:
I thought I saw somewhere that it was now possible to adjust the length of a note in the score editor graphically, i.e. by clicking on the note and somehow adjust its length directly to change it from 1/4 note to 1/8 (for example).
greetings dh... are you into Key Commands? There are two which will help you do the above in a trice:
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• Nudge Region/Event Length Left by SMPTE Frame
I set mine to the simple letter o and n
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– I click on a note and press n repeatedly.. it shrinks and shrinks shorter and shorter
All by little increments
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man, it is VERY quick and handy for changing the length of notes
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Caramby wrote:
You need to log-in to view this content. Therefore many people will not be able to see it. You could >copy & paste the relevant section into a new post if you would like to improve access.
To anyone reading this - it is as easy as pie to join Logic Pro Help. They are a very helpful bunch of guys and a useful alternative resource for Logic issues.
If you cant read the post I refer to with a link, and are really interested in the answer .. just join them - it is as easy as joining here
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Score editor inserting notes.

Hi Everyone
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[img]http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/dogliege/Picture4.png[/img]
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Hi
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deb1806 wrote:
Is there a simple way of changing the value of a note in Score Editor?
Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
Alternatively, you could open the integrated HyperEditor in the Score window: you can't edit lengths there, but you can see them, and edit them using the Length parameter in the Inspector. However - if you do this, your edits won't be updated graphically until you release your mouse, and the method isn't very useful for editing notes played at the same time.
If you edit manually played notes using the Nudge commands, you can risk creating overlapping notes, which could create results you don't want (overlapping notes).
I used to use the score window for editing exclusively, but after having gotten used to using the piano roll, which both lets you see the velocity of each note and perform accurate edits of each note length, going back to editing in the Score window feels a little bit like with a fighting in the blind- which is why I use two windows combined.
These Piano Roll and the Score window will never be 100% aligned (bar wise or playhead wise), but who knows, maybe we'll see an integrated solution one which lets you edit note lengths graphically in the score window - in one way or the other. This idea (see image below) wasn't bad at all...
http://www.studio-central.com/images/notate2.gif

Changing sustain CC performance into note length?

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I'm being overly descriptive because when it was explained here in the studio, it made sense, but I'm not sure how a description over the message board will do.
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HTH

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deb1806 wrote:
Is there a simple way of changing the value of a note in Score Editor?
Since representation of MIDI nots are is visually quantized in the Score window, the best solution is IMO to have both a score and a piano roll window open at the same time when you edit note lengths in Logic. At least if you want accurate edits.
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If you edit manually played notes using the Nudge commands, you can risk creating overlapping notes, which could create results you don't want (overlapping notes).
I used to use the score window for editing exclusively, but after having gotten used to using the piano roll, which both lets you see the velocity of each note and perform accurate edits of each note length, going back to editing in the Score window feels a little bit like with a fighting in the blind- which is why I use two windows combined.
These Piano Roll and the Score window will never be 100% aligned (bar wise or playhead wise), but who knows, maybe we'll see an integrated solution one which lets you edit note lengths graphically in the score window - in one way or the other. This idea (see image below) wasn't bad at all...
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the manuals talk about short cut keys but does not specify what the short cuts are, for instance, pg 680, 'Selecting Part Box Objects With Key Commands' The following unassigned key commands....etc part box: 1/1 Note, I don't understand this, what is the key command ?{quote}
greetings and welcome to the Score Editor .. a feature of Logic which like the fax machine, is headed for cobwebs and neglect, judging by the stunning silence of comments on the Logic 9 version.
But if you have the patience to explore the Score Editor, read on for you will find that never has a feature of Logic been shunned by so many and loved by so few.
To answer your question: there is very little direct explanation in the manual of many of the Logic short cut keys. The ones you refer to are 'unassigned' because they are not part of the more obvious standard set of Logic Short cut assignments. So you are free to assign your own Commands to those short cut keys that you might find useful. Selecting Part Box objects by Key Command means using a few key strokes (programmed) to insert an object ie a note which has a value of 1/4 would be a quarter note or 1/8 an eighth note and you could programme a key command to select this this and insert it with a mouse click (tool), if your preferred method of composing is to 'write' the notes in like Sibelius.
As a long time Score Editor user, and also a keyboard player, I prefer a completely different method which is a mixture of playing in real time via a midi key board and quantizing the result, and also step time inserting notes - ie putting the Logic into step time record mode and then pressing the relevant key on the midi keyboard. Then using key commands to pre-select the lenght of the inserted note, or key commands to change the length of an inserted note...
If any of this makes sense and interests you.. then good luck with the Score Editor - Logic's strength is its combination of Score and Midi programming which makes for a certain kind of very fast input once you get familiar with the techniques. So much so that there are a bunch of old hands on this forum ( though they are a dying breed) who have a lot of knowledge about how to do this and a LOT of expertise in producing totally professional scores for orchestras and live recording situations, films scores etc of any kind...
.. all done on the Logic Score Editor. Where others use Finale and Sibelius etc
But because the main focus of Logic 8 and Logic 9 have gone away from the Score Editor ( which has not received any significant bug fixes or new features for many many months) - the message from on high is that nobody really cares about the wealth of user professional knowledge that has grown around the use of the Score Editor over previous versions of Logic .. and a really great feature of the original programme has been left to ...well die.
Fewer and fewer new users of Logic are attracted to taking the time to learn how to use the Score Editor ...especially because it is now virtually unsupported by the company that owns it.
Anyone wishing to continue to use it has to digest this painful fact and decide whether he/she wants to get a life of hanging out in a couple of friendly forums to hook up with a dwindling number of users who know how to deal with the Score Editor and get round enfuriating bugs and idiosyncrasies which will never be resolved.
.. actually its not a bad life... and there are few people around who make it all worthwhile ;
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