NTSC - PAL conversion problem

I'm noticing a sort of faint horizontal line effect (like cardboard) on a lot of my conversions recently - can anybody explain what might be causing this?
Compressor setting:
Frame Controls: On
Resize Filter: Best (Statistical prediction)
Output Fields: Same as Source
Deinterlace: Better (Motion adaptive)
Adaptive Details - Checked
Anti-Alias: 0
Details Level: 0
Rate Conversion: Better (Motion compensated)

What is the delivery format of the finished movie?
If it's going to DVD, 99% of PAL players will handle NTSC discs without issues.
If it is for transfer to tape or you need to be sure of having a working DVD for the other 1% and you are doing this regularly, look at setting up a relationship with a post house that has a hardware based standards converter from Snell & Wilcox or Teranex. You will get great results in real time and a real expert operating the thing. Shop around for the best deal.
Can you post a small clip of your "cardboard effect" somewhere?

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Hi dianeh,
most many/all dvdplayers over here are able to
read/playback NTSC dvds... no problem at all...
second:
export whole project as QT dv stream (1h = 13GB)...
import that into JES Deinterlacer, for free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html
choose conversion NTSC>PAL
another 13Gig per hour....
import THAT into iDVD
burn PAL version.......
hope I could be helpful
Tank you-I'll give it a try!!

FCP-compressor-NTSC/PAL workflow problems...

Hello there,
I'm writing this thread on behalf of a collegue of mine who is in a bit of a pickle... I've been on the phone to him all morning and i'm stumped...
He's just finished offline-editing a new feature film by Nicolas Roeg (walkabout, performance etc) and needs to churn out a DVD for viewing-update purposes, here is the tech info followed by the problem...
ok... so, in FCP he has the sequence and media at photoJPEG quality.
The editing timebase for the sequence is 24 fps.
The problem is that he wants to make a PAL DVD, but when he goes into Compressor, and applies the relevant settings, it always comes out as NTSC...?
I've been on the phone to him, and we've both had little test sequences open (only 10" long sequence) to talk through the work-flow, and as I'm not an advanced Compressor user, I can't find ANYTHING in preferences that sets the PAL/NTSC option.
I am under the impression that it is a FCP setting that actually maked the difference... ie, he is currently using photoJPEG, 24fps... which should (for a PAL DVD) be at 25fps, DV quality.
So how do we turn a photoJPEG 24fps sequence into a PAL 25fps file that can be squidged in Compressor to make a PAL DVD...
I hope I'm making sense... and HUGE thanks in advance for any help.
regards,
J

Perhaps do an intermediate first? The automatic settings in compressor are designed to choose which frame rate it thinks is best for you, so will make the wrong decision sometimes, in terms of your desired output. Try making a new mpeg2 setting, based on the preset for dvd, and change the frame rate to 25. It will then force it to pal 25. Or if it doesn't look great, change to a quicktime first with the same settings as your mate's sequence output, apart from the frame rate which you should force to 25. Then put this new movie back into compressor with the dvd setting.
Try it on a short clip first (a minute or so), then you won't waste time with something that isn't going to work.

Compressor NTSC/PAL workflow problems...

Hello there, before i begin i admit i have double-posted this on the FCP discussions too...
I'm writing this thread on behalf of a collegue of mine who is in a bit of a pickle and doesn't have internet/forum access... I've been on the phone to him all morning and i'm stumped...
He's just finished offline-editing a new feature film by Nicolas Roeg (walkabout, performance etc) and needs to churn out a DVD for viewing-update purposes, here is the tech info followed by the problem...
ok... so, in FCP he has the sequence and media at photoJPEG quality.
The editing timebase for the sequence is 24 fps.
The problem is that he wants to make a PAL DVD, but when he goes into Compressor, and applies the relevant settings, it always comes out as NTSC...?
I've been on the phone to him, and we've both had little test sequences open (only 10" long sequence) to talk through the work-flow, and as I'm not an advanced Compressor user, I can't find ANYTHING in preferences that sets the PAL/NTSC option.
I am under the impression that it is a FCP setting that actually maked the difference... ie, he is currently using photoJPEG, 24fps... which should (for a PAL DVD) be at 25fps, DV quality.
So how do we turn a photoJPEG 24fps sequence into a PAL 25fps file that can be squidged in Compressor to make a PAL DVD...
I hope I'm making sense... and HUGE thanks in advance for any help.
regards,
J

Perhaps do an intermediate first? The automatic settings in compressor are designed to choose which frame rate it thinks is best for you, so will make the wrong decision sometimes, in terms of your desired output. Try making a new mpeg2 setting, based on the preset for dvd, and change the frame rate to 25. It will then force it to pal 25. Or if it doesn't look great, change to a quicktime first with the same settings as your mate's sequence output, apart from the frame rate which you should force to 25. Then put this new movie back into compressor with the dvd setting.
Try it on a short clip first (a minute or so), then you won't waste time with something that isn't going to work.

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After years of working with hardware converters (the best of which I don't have available to me anymore), I'm now always playing with various software conversion methods. I know Compressor 2 works okay but is terribly slow, the Nattress filters are good and faster and I've just started playing with JES Deinterlacer which seems useful.
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Hi Graeme. Thanks for the response. But do you know what the difference is between those low Compressor 2 settings and just changing a basic MPEG-2 preset to PAL? Know what I mean? Is it even necessary to do the whole "Advanced Conversion" step in C2? Its so quick and easy just to change the MPEG-2 setting to PAL, but I haven't had time to test how it compares to using Advanced Conversion, either at low or high quality. With alot of what I'm doing, the source media looks terrible anyways, so I don't need a perfect conversion. Just something decent and fast preferably.
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Anyone used this: http://www.dvfilm.com/atlantis/index.htm
The demo appears to work well - but would be grateful for your input before parting with the cash.
Cheers,
Steve
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I have about 2000 X 5 - 10 sec clips to convert from NTSC to PAL. Nattress, while very good, is a bit time consuming what with nesting files and all. Haven't considered using Compressor. Will look into that too.
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Hi mish,
that is such a .. <searching correct english word> hillarious (?) idea, I give you a star for that ;-)))
changing some flags on a ready-made dvd... wow! nice try...- but as Fred said, NTSC<<>>PAL conversions are no trivial tasks... you run into many problems, e.g. where do you get the additonal 5 frames per second you need for a transfer from PAL to NTSC? how to make the audio fit to these new pictures? and, I HAVE to do this silly joke: NTSC has a very different color concept (Never The Same Color) then PAL.. and for sure a different res...
the name is irritating, but all mighty JES Deinterlacer is doing a fantastic job in converting video standards (ok, for a free software solution...) give that a try!

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Hi all. I am using Compressor 2 and have yet to get a good NTSC to PAL conversion with the built in preset. I could use some suggestions.

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