NTSC PAL conversion with Atlantis software

Anyone used this: http://www.dvfilm.com/atlantis/index.htm
The demo appears to work well - but would be grateful for your input before parting with the cash.
Cheers,
Steve
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I have about 2000 X 5 - 10 sec clips to convert from NTSC to PAL. Nattress, while very good, is a bit time consuming what with nesting files and all. Haven't considered using Compressor. Will look into that too.
Cheers.

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NTSC/PAL conversion workflow

After years of working with hardware converters (the best of which I don't have available to me anymore), I'm now always playing with various software conversion methods. I know Compressor 2 works okay but is terribly slow, the Nattress filters are good and faster and I've just started playing with JES Deinterlacer which seems useful.
Anyways, a co-worker here with an Avid and Procoder says he can capture as NTSC (DV or whatever) and just export a PAL MPEG to make a PAL DVD without an additional conversion step. I havent' looked at his results yet, but he said it looks fine and didn't take much longer than if there had been no conversion.
So I started wondering why you can't do this with Compressor. And actually, it seems you can. Edit in FCP in one format, then create a custom MPEG-2 preset in Compressor in the other format and work just as you would otherwise. I just did this once and it worked fine though there seems to be quite a bit of jaggies when viewed on my cinema display. I don't have a multi-standard monitor in front of me right now, though I will later and will check it there.
So, the question is, what technically is the difference between this method and using a better (but slower) converter like Nattress or Compressor 2 Format Converter and what sort of quality difference should I expect? And does anybody know how Procoder compares using this or other workflows?
I work at a large university and occasionally need to do these things. Normally we're originatin in DV and usually just outputting to DVD, so often there's no need for a DV to DV conversion.
Thanks much to Graeme or anyone that has any insight into this.
Doug

Hi Graeme. Thanks for the response. But do you know what the difference is between those low Compressor 2 settings and just changing a basic MPEG-2 preset to PAL? Know what I mean? Is it even necessary to do the whole "Advanced Conversion" step in C2? Its so quick and easy just to change the MPEG-2 setting to PAL, but I haven't had time to test how it compares to using Advanced Conversion, either at low or high quality. With alot of what I'm doing, the source media looks terrible anyways, so I don't need a perfect conversion. Just something decent and fast preferably.
I shamefully admit I still haven't tried yours except to demo, but I will one of these days when I have a few dollars or have a huge load of conversions to get through.
Doug

NTSC/PAL conversion question

On my vacation I took a lot of video clips with my digital camera, and made them into a movie. However, some of the people I want to send a movie to are in Europe/Africa, and need to view it in PAL format. When I made the movie, I did it in NTSC, format. When I transfer to iDVD, do I need to change the format in iMovie or in iDVD? If I have to do it in iMovie, do I have to completely redo the whole thing? Or is there a way to just convert the present NTSC version to the PAL version? If so, how? (I solved by lack of hard drive space by getting a new hard drive placed in my Power Mac-now have 100GB).

Hi dianeh,
most many/all dvdplayers over here are able to
read/playback NTSC dvds... no problem at all...
second:
export whole project as QT dv stream (1h = 13GB)...
import that into JES Deinterlacer, for free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html
choose conversion NTSC>PAL
another 13Gig per hour....
import THAT into iDVD
burn PAL version.......
hope I could be helpful
Tank you-I'll give it a try!!

HDV NTSC/PAL machine with HDMI output ???????????? To hire????

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What can I use to play out the tapes into my FC2.....
I have a sony HC7 buts its PAL....I also have access to couple of bigger sony cameras that play Ntsc/Pal but dont have HDMI to access the full HDV to capture it using Pro Rez via my Blachmagic card/HDMI////....
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Thanks for your reply....
NO the material is in NTSC and that is what i want to keep it in for NTSC DVD release....Its just that the camera i have is PAL....
And I need to find something with HDMI out to access the raw HDV format....
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ROB

Ntsc to pal conversions with small file sizes

I'm trying to convert a file from NTSC to PAL, which I have done successfully in the past. However, the file needs to be under 200MB (the video is 3.40) and I can not seem to get it any lower than 346 MB using the dv-pal setting and everything as low as possible and the sound set to mono. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Christy

DV PAL is a set data rate - 3.56 MB/s when run at 25 fps.
If you want a smaller file size you have two choices -
1. convert the file to another codec that allows for smaller frame sizes, slower frame rates and increased intra and inter frame compression.
2. If it must be DV/PAL, cut the length of the video to reach your 200mb limit.
Of course there is the third choice of simply giving them the larger file because that's what an un-compromised DV/PAL version of the file will be.
x

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NTSC - PAL conversion problem

I'm noticing a sort of faint horizontal line effect (like cardboard) on a lot of my conversions recently - can anybody explain what might be causing this?
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What is the delivery format of the finished movie?
If it's going to DVD, 99% of PAL players will handle NTSC discs without issues.
If it is for transfer to tape or you need to be sure of having a working DVD for the other 1% and you are doing this regularly, look at setting up a relationship with a post house that has a hardware based standards converter from Snell & Wilcox or Teranex. You will get great results in real time and a real expert operating the thing. Shop around for the best deal.
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I have managed to accidentally do all my iMovie in NTSC format rather than PAL. I found out that you can recode it and save it as a quicktime movie in PAL format. Will this reduce the quality of the finished product or would I be better off doing it all again in PAL format in iMovie?

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I'm trying to find out a way of converting 1080i(29.97) to 1080i50 without getting motion judder. Does anyone know how?

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It takes a very, very, very long time - hours per minute kind of long time - but the end result looks like it was shot natively at 1080i50 for most movement. I found natresses stuff was very quick, and delivered an excellent result (it blends at a field level) but still had motion strobing on slow smooth pans - it is worth having that plugin in your toolkit though, just anyway.
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I need to get a video file that is NTSC (no compression 8bit) into PAL (no compression 8bit) to edit it in Final cut pro 5.1.4 and to put titles from Motion, to finally put it on a betacam tape. To be shure that the conversion (NTSC-PAL) is well done, I gave the NTSC file to a professionel conversion compagny. (I tried to do it myself with compressor and with the plug-in natress, but was not completly satisfied with the result).
Now my problem is that the conversion company didn't compensate the modification of colors during the conversion. So now I have a file in pal (no compression 8bit) but the colors are lighter then the original file in NTSC.
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that is such a .. <searching correct english word> hillarious (?) idea, I give you a star for that ;-)))
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the name is irritating, but all mighty JES Deinterlacer is doing a fantastic job in converting video standards (ok, for a free software solution...) give that a try!

Any successful NTSC to PAL conversions out there and how?

Hi all. I am using Compressor 2 and have yet to get a good NTSC to PAL conversion with the built in preset. I could use some suggestions.

If you are unhappy with the current results don't use the standard preset. Try one of the other frame control options that offer higher quality but with much longer processing times. Also, make certain that you have the latest Compressor updates, the last update had fixes for NTSC/PAL conversions.
Finally, you might want to try the freeware utiltiy JES Deinterlacer. JES does adaptive deinterlacing, inverse telecine, and NTSC/PAL conversion and many users seem to be happy with its results (and since it is a completely free download you can hardly go wrong).

Problems with image size after PAL conversion

I edited my movie (captured in 16:9 mini DV) on Final Cut with all the right settings. I ran the video through DVFilm Maker which gives it a 24P/film-like look. In Final Cut Pro, this footage always looks "squished" but after exporting with Compressor (widescreen preset) and droping into DVD Studio Pro, it is in perfect 16:9 and looks fine.
Now I am trying to convert all this to PAL. I use the same company's DVFilm Atlantis to convert to PAL, and it is even more "squished" than the original, but after exporting with Compressor with PAL settings, it still looks squeezed on DVD Studio Pro.
I should say that I export the NTSC as a Quicktime movie (no conversion) with "current settings" and convert that to PAL.
[One of the options in Atlantis when converting is to "squeeze 16:9 into letterbox" I have done that, but the final product is small with a large black letterbox on all sides.]

Nattress' Standards Converter does a bang up job of converting NTSC to PAL. (and his film effects are very good as well) It all can be found at www.nattress.com
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TIP: 24p ntsc to PAL conversion

Many thanks to Graeme Nattress for this solution.
Our project was a 90-minute doc edited in 24p ntsc. We needed to create a PAL version by transcoding in software. If we simply placed the ntsc version in a PAL sequence, the frame rate change resulted in blurry motion and repeated frames, giving the motion a jerky look.
I had been trying to use the Nattress standards conversion plugins with no success. However, Graeme was kind enough to recommend the following workflow:
1. Create a reference movie of the original sellf-contained movie of the ntsc version
2. Conform the 24p clip to 25 fps in Cinema Tools. This took about 1 second. The resulting clip was 4% shorter (about 4 minutes) and the audio was automatically speeded up to match.
3. I now placed the 25 fps ntsc clip into a PAL sequence and scaled it up to 120% to fill the PAL frame. I exported my mpeg for DVD using compressor, which took only about 6 hours to encode on a dual 1.8 G5, a perfectly acceptable ratio of about 4:1. The result was that all of our original 24P frames were intact, with no conversion, interpolation, extra frames, blurring, etc. The quality was much better than any other workflow I had tested, and it saved us lots of rendering and exporting time.
Thanks again Graeme!
Max Average

Yes, definitely the way to do it.
Even in the NTSC world, low-budget filmmakers have been doing the reverse for years - shooting PAL because of the ease of conversion from 25fps video to a 24fps film print - a 4% slow-down in this case. The extra 96 lines of vertical resolution is especially beneficial in this workflow too!
Good to see you NTSC guys more with PAL!

NTSC DVD created with iMovie 6.0.3. Need to convert to PAL.

Is there a way to do this without starting over? Can I switch iMovie from NTSC to PAL? Can I take my iMovie NTSC project and copy it to a new iMovie window after switching the preferences to PAL? Would that keep chapters in place? Can Toast or something do this? I sure hate to totally start over.

Hi
Please Karsten
b) export your iMovie project; drag the resulting file into a new PAL IDVD project; iDVD will ask you to keep or change the standard
IS NO GOOD WAY at all - It works but resulting DVD is barely viewable ! (jumpy, un-sharp and really bad)
a) is an excellent choice as long as TV is fairly modern - else result will be Bl/W
My notes on this:
PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL
A. Copying commercial DVDs - No Not possibly at all - Not even legal to discuss.
B. Home made DVDs (DVDs without copy protection)
C. Movies from iMovie or FinalCut
• Save as full quality QuickTime .mov and convert this with JES_Deinterlacer (free on internet)
NTSC ---> PAL.
• Most often not necessary - Most stand alone PAL DVD-players playback NTSC
(if TV is old in BL/W)
PAL ---> NTSC.
• If played on Mac - not necessary AT ALL
• If on NTSC DVD-player - CONVERSION IS NEEDED - nearly no Stand alone NTSC-DVD-players
playback PAL at all.
To do this You need to convert the PAL DVD to streaming.DV or full quality QuickTime .mov
• I use Roxio Toast™ to do this (There are no free converter)
• JES_Deinterlacer (free on internet) to convert to NTSC
• Set up an NTSC project (29.97fps or 30) in iDVD and import then burn
I burn to
• Verbatim DVD-R
• Set down burn speed in iDVD to x1 or x4 recommended by many
• Secure a minimum of 25Gb free space on internal boot hard disk before burning (IMPORTANT)
PAL is 25 fps and an analog TV standard of 625 lines
NTSC is 29.97 fps and 520 lines
NTSC (29.97fps) 520 lines - about 640x480 pixels (square) 720x480 rectangular (narrow) pixels
PAL (25 fps) 625 lines - about 768x576 pixels (square) 720x576 rectangular (narrow) pixels
to use a photo 702x480 resp 576 then add 9 pixels on each side to add together as 720
If iDVD hangs on PAL or NTSC.
Bengt W wrote
Deleting iDVD pref. file - should return You into NTSC mode.
Yes iDVD can switch to PAL - BUT as You see with a rather lousy result.
a. Need to convert to PAL - most often not - Most PAL-player can playback NTSC
and on a fairly new TV in color. (old TV in Bl/W)
(Other way around - from PAL to NTSC most often a must - few NTSC-player can use PAL)
b. IF MUST - then use JES_Deinterlacer to do this conversion - so much better and free.
My list on this (or rather PAL --> NTSC - just think the other way around)
I have to send it overseas
That too can be a problem. As USA = NTSC = 29.97fps and EU = PAL = 25fps.
DO Not let iMovie or iDVD do this conversion from one to the other - Result will be Very
BAD
I save the movie as a full quality QuickTime .mov file then I use JES_Deinterlacer to do the conversion - then I cont. in iMovie or iDVD with project set accordingly.
JES_Deinterlacer is free on Internet and there are Pro applications but not that much better and costs are astronomical.
PAL-DVDs - don't play in US
NTSC-DVDs - usually plays well in EU
All plays well on a Mac - What ever.
Allosaurus writes
Thank you SDMacuser. I dumped all the plist icons with no result, and was getting pretty plist off when it occurred to me to delete all the previous dvd.proj files. Bingo. That did the trick. So thank you for all your help and the additional information you provided.
Yours Bengt W

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Using an application such as VLC should optimize format playability. It may also help with the region code issue. The "number of times" isn't to do with the DVD format, it has to do with region codes set into the DVD by the media distributors. You can change that 5 times and then the DVD player is locked in forever. Try VLC and it may help with both the format playback and maybe get around the region code issue (disable Apple's own automatic DVD Player activation).
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