NTSC/PAL Question

If I record a HD movie with a PAL HD camcorder, can I play it on a NTSC HDTV via HDMI cable ?

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NTSC/PAL conversion question

On my vacation I took a lot of video clips with my digital camera, and made them into a movie. However, some of the people I want to send a movie to are in Europe/Africa, and need to view it in PAL format. When I made the movie, I did it in NTSC, format. When I transfer to iDVD, do I need to change the format in iMovie or in iDVD? If I have to do it in iMovie, do I have to completely redo the whole thing? Or is there a way to just convert the present NTSC version to the PAL version? If so, how? (I solved by lack of hard drive space by getting a new hard drive placed in my Power Mac-now have 100GB).

Hi dianeh,
most many/all dvdplayers over here are able to
read/playback NTSC dvds... no problem at all...
second:
export whole project as QT dv stream (1h = 13GB)...
import that into JES Deinterlacer, for free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html
choose conversion NTSC>PAL
another 13Gig per hour....
import THAT into iDVD
burn PAL version.......
hope I could be helpful
Tank you-I'll give it a try!!

NTSC - PAL colors conversion for betacam

I need to get a video file that is NTSC (no compression 8bit) into PAL (no compression 8bit) to edit it in Final cut pro 5.1.4 and to put titles from Motion, to finally put it on a betacam tape. To be shure that the conversion (NTSC-PAL) is well done, I gave the NTSC file to a professionel conversion compagny. (I tried to do it myself with compressor and with the plug-in natress, but was not completly satisfied with the result).
Now my problem is that the conversion company didn't compensate the modification of colors during the conversion. So now I have a file in pal (no compression 8bit) but the colors are lighter then the original file in NTSC.
Can someone tip me on a way to modify the colors in Final cut pro of my file in PAL? I know how to use most of the filters, but I don't now much about doing it professionally. I was hoping that there could be a filter or a plugin that is made for my kind of problem, and I'm afraid of making a mistake because I never prepaired a file for a betacam tape before. Do I have to be carefull with the percentage of black or of white? Do I have to work in RGB or YUV?
My second question is: the video PAL that was converted from NTSC has lines where there is quick movement when I look at it in Final cut pro or Quicktime. (the original NTSC file didn't have them) Should I use a filter to desinterlace it or will these lines disapear any way on the betcam tape? But I'm puting titles with Motion, so those titles don't have lines... How will they mix with the video?
Thanks for your help
Louie

Hi mish,
that is such a .. <searching correct english word> hillarious (?) idea, I give you a star for that ;-)))
changing some flags on a ready-made dvd... wow! nice try...- but as Fred said, NTSC<<>>PAL conversions are no trivial tasks... you run into many problems, e.g. where do you get the additonal 5 frames per second you need for a transfer from PAL to NTSC? how to make the audio fit to these new pictures? and, I HAVE to do this silly joke: NTSC has a very different color concept (Never The Same Color) then PAL.. and for sure a different res...
the name is irritating, but all mighty JES Deinterlacer is doing a fantastic job in converting video standards (ok, for a free software solution...) give that a try!

Apple TV/FM Card NTSC - PAL switch?

G'day,
Long shot I know... but after opening my TAM on the weekend, and examining the TV/FM tuner card, I saw it was a Philips brand card. So I wrote to Philips Australia to see if they happened to have any laying around.
No, they said, but - some of their TV tuner cards were "switchable" between formats... I was told.
I've put the TAM back together again now, and would rather not open it back up for nothing...
Can anyone out there shed light on this? Apple only have 1 reference number for the TV/FM card - they don't distinguish between regions - NTSC, PAL, or SECAM. Could this be because they just have to flick a switch on the card to tell it which zone it's in???
I do realise that the cards also have different connectors... (NTSC has screw-on antenna connectors, whereas PAL and (I think) SECAM have just slide-on ones) But is that all the difference? and you just flick a switch somewhere for the region?
Cheers
cosmic

The video input standard is selected in the Apple Video Player program, so there's no need for different verions of the TV or TV/FM card. The correct video input standard (NTSC, PAL, or SECAM) for your region is pre-set, according to the region version of the Apple OS that was installed. To change the setting, select "Preferences" within the Apple Video Player program. In addition to the video input standard, you'll find settings for movie compression and the remote control. An adapter is required to change the TV/FM card's coaxial "F" type connector to a different type. Here is the User Manual for the TV/FM card. It should provide you with answers to most questions that you might have.
Incidentally, optional Apple input/expansion cards (like the TV/FM card) or specific components found on these cards are typically manufactured by well-known, third-party semiconductor companies, but the cards are considered "Apple" products. As such, third-party companies (like Philips) won't stock these products. For example, Motorola made many of Apple's PowerPC processor chips, but they never stocked/sold the motherboards on which these processors were soldered.

Used to, but now can't detect a NTSC/PAL external monitor.

This has come up in this forum as well as others in the past. Here is the syndrome:
1. iBook (or other) is hooked up to an external NTSC/PAL monitor (in my case a Sumsung LCD TV) via the mini-VGA/S-Video out.
2. Works perfectly for some period of time, days to years, as far as I've seen people post.
3. Suddenly, iBook does not recognize the external NTSC monitor, and outputs crap onto the monitor.
4. Detect display in the preferences only gives the native LCD (ibook) and a VGA external monitor.
5. This doesn't go away, and no one has found a way to make it go away.
Anyone figure out what the crap is going on with this? ANYONE HAVE A SOLUTION???

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HDV NTSC/PAL machine with HDMI output ???????????? To hire????

I live in the UK where we have PAL...I have a big job to do that is NTSC HDV...
What can I use to play out the tapes into my FC2.....
I have a sony HC7 buts its PAL....I also have access to couple of bigger sony cameras that play Ntsc/Pal but dont have HDMI to access the full HDV to capture it using Pro Rez via my Blachmagic card/HDMI////....
What is best to hire>>>>>

Thanks for your reply....
NO the material is in NTSC and that is what i want to keep it in for NTSC DVD release....Its just that the camera i have is PAL....
And I need to find something with HDMI out to access the raw HDV format....
Cheers
ROB

G4 with OS X 10.4.11 and DVD's in various formats (NTSC, PAL, SECAM).

Can a G4 AGP Graphics “Sawtooth” running OS X 10.4.11 Tiger play DVD's in the various regional formats (such as NTSC, PAL, and SECAM) an unlimited number of times, or is there a limit to how often the capability to play a particular format can be switched to the capability to play a different one?

Using an application such as VLC should optimize format playability. It may also help with the region code issue. The "number of times" isn't to do with the DVD format, it has to do with region codes set into the DVD by the media distributors. You can change that 5 times and then the DVD player is locked in forever. Try VLC and it may help with both the format playback and maybe get around the region code issue (disable Apple's own automatic DVD Player activation).
VLC media player - http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ - general media player that plays just about anything.
Niceplayer - http://code.google.com/p/niceplayer/

IMovie - iDVD and a NTSC versus PAL question

I have some questions about creating iMovie for use in iDVD and about the various formats. Here goes:
I have a large number of travel photos taken in various cities that I need to use to create a project in iMovie. In addition, I have a couple of smallish video segments that go with each of these cities. I want to be able to get to any section from the DVD menus. The sections being defined as the either the videos or the photos for each individual city. Also, I need to be able to create both NTSC and PAL formatted DVD's from this exercise.
Now, as I understand it, there's several ways I can approach this:
First, I can use iMovie to create discreet projects for each segment. The individual city videos being one type. The photo shows of the individual cities being another type. Then export each of these via the media browser and import them individually into iDVD. But that then begs the question of NTSC versus PAL. Since I have to choose a project format in iMovie (NTSC or PAL), does that imply that I've got to have separate projects for each one of the cities NTSC or PAL versions? Or can I just use the NTSC project and cut the DVD in either NTSC or PAL format based on the settings in iDVD? If I use this route, what's the best export format to use for optimal appearance on the finished DVD?
Second, I can create one long project in iMovie. Put chapter markers in it and export it to the media browser. Then, import it into iDVD and use the chapter markers referenced from the various menu picks. If I go this route, once again, how do I account for the NTSC versus PAL differences? And again, what's the best export settings for optimal viewing?
I guess much of this question relates to the issue of having to specify a format in both iMovie and iDVD. If I choose NTSC in iMovie, but use PAL in iDVD, other than the obvious format mismatch, what actually happens by doing this? Or, turn it around. Use PAL in iMovie and NTSC in iDVD. Again, what's the ramifications of doing this?
Just trying to figure out the best way of going about this and what the tradeoffs are for each approach. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Oh... and sorry to have been so long winded.
Many thanks in advance,
Tom

Hi
Oh Dear. Is this an assigned task from an editing turor. Then He/She is mean.
a. If You want a DVD - Then You should not use iMovie'08 or 09 or 11 as they can not export interlaced video to iDVD as it needs but discard every second line resulting in a less quality DVD. Use (for SlideShows and Movies)
• iMovie up to HD6 (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FinalCut any version (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FotoMagico (if You make only a SlideShow - can not do movies)
If persisting with iMovie'08-11 - Then DO NOT use "Share to iDVD" from within any version of iMovie (not 3 - HD6 either) as they do a bad job. But in iM'08-11 "Share to Media Browser" and as Large. In iM HD6 or FCE/P Save as QuickTime .mov and import this into iDVD.
b. NTSC and PAL - If DVD is to be sent to EU (PAL) - then most DVD-players also playback NTSC so conversion is not needed (mostly).
There are NO way to make a combo version PAL & NTSC - They do not exist.
If You make a PAL iMovie /FC project - then DO NOT let iDVD convert to NTSC (or other way either)
• it can do so - BUT Result is severely BAD
I use JES_Deinterlacer to make the conversion and it's so much better. (free on internet)
But absolutly best result is by doing two versions in the movie-editor - one PAL and one NTSC version.
c. Use High quality DVD brand - I only use Verbatim DVD-R
and set down burn speed to x4 - Less burn errors and plays on many more Players.
Just to start with.
Take one Q at a time and we can fix this.
Yours Bengt W

NTSC PAL editing question

I have a new accessory for my camera which does not allow me to shoot in PAL ( the manufacturer is working to resolve this ). I'm making a short film on my DSLR for the web and have already shot footage in PAL. What kind of issues will I face if I shoot more footage in NTSC and try to bring the two together ? Thanks.

The frame rates won't match and the footage that doesn't match the sequence will be stuttery. Don't do it...mixing frame rates is a no no in FCP. Shoot all one frame rate, and convert later with Compressor.
Shane

PAL - NTSC Conversion question

I have some PAL DV footage at 25fps which I need to convert to NTSC to match some existing NTSC footage. The NTSC originated footage, when played in Quicktime diisplays the following info:
FPS: 23.98
Playing FPS: 24
I need to convert the PAL footage to match the NTSC frame rates, annd also I'd like to converted footage to appear that it is NTSC roriginated (i'e, with the slower framerate as opposed to 25fps).
I've made a few tests using the Frame Controls "Set Duration" options in compressor, but the results always seem end up at the wrong frame rates. Which setting should use? And can somebody explain what all the settings mean?
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Marc,
I dont have extensive knowledge in this area although am literally doing the same conversion (PAL to NTSC) on my mac as I type this.
I also recently read in Videography magazine about a project that was assembled from archived footage and all of the footage used originated from different formats and that was the hardest part about editing.
They mentioned all the different ways they attempted to convert the footage but in the end it seemed as if they just settled for what looked best because they couldnt get an exact conversion.
If your looking for a better way I would contact a transfer house to see what they may be capable of doing. Another thing worthy of pointing out that reading how they did the conversion they never mentioned using compressor so there are probably better systems at converting the files.
hopefully this helps.
-jeremywearsvans

HD NTSC to Anamorphic PAL question

I have compressed a 1280 x 720 HD NTSC sequence into an H264. Now I'm converting it to PAL through Compressor. And to try and maintain the 16.9 Ratio I'm trying the Settings : HD NTSC to Anamorphic PAL. But I don't know if it will come out "Squezed" and if in Europe they have TVs that "unsqueeze" the image? I don't know either how a 16.9 image looks in 4,3 in case I have to redo the conversion? Does anybody have any experience or knowledge in this, and could help me?
Thank you very much.

Thank you Nick, I hear you. Unfortunately I'm up against 2 obstacles: time and money. This is a (very) limited budget operation, and I can only send up to 2 Gb via YouSendit to several places in Europe, instead of a DVD via Fedex. But I will follow your advice of redoing the conversion to PAL at the source of 1280 x 720, and then compress the resultin PAL via H264 ( ProRes 422, which I tried, was too big) to end with a less that 2Gb file hopefully.

HDV NTSC & PAL to SD DVD

PLEASE HELP!!
I've got two different projects that need to be combined into one dvd for the client.
problem is the first project was shot and edited as HDV 1080/60i and the second at
1080/50i, so i have an NTSC sequence and a PAL sequence.
the DVD needs to be in PAL.
also, i'm completely confused in regards to getting HDV to a SD DVD.
can't figure out what's the fastest, highest quality workflow.
thus far using compressor and dvd studio pro 4 to build the DVD using just the PAL sequence i've gotten nothing but interlaced awful looking video.
i've searched the boards on these subjects but i'm still not getting anywhere, just more confused.
any guidance is greatly appreciated!
thank you

thanks RedTruck, i will try this!
quick question:
is JES deinterlacer the best way to convert the NTSC HDV to PAL HDV (or 1080/60i to 1080/50i)?
client also now wants this on PAL digibeta, so i'm thinking maybe the easiest way of doing all this is getting everything to 1080/50i HDV PAL, exporting via the camera back to HDV tape then taking the HDV tape to a dub house and have it downconverted there to DigiBeta. from that, reimport as SD PAL to make the PAL DVDs. how does this sound?

IDVD Preference setting for NTSC/PAL

I now understand that DVD's encoded to NTSC will almost certainly playback in UK on modern DVD Players.
My question is this (iLife'06):
If I have an iMovie encoded as NTSC, what will changing the setting in iDVD Preferences from NTSC to PAL actually do?
Will it ..
i. Re-encode from 29 frames/480 lines to 25 frames/526 lines before encoding to the MPEG2 format?
ii. Ignore the setting
iii. Make a complete mess of the MPEG2 data?
iV. Other
Thank you!

i. Re-encode from 29 frames/480 lines to 25 frames/526 lines before encoding to the MPEG2 format?
Yes, but it does it by simply dropping a frame here and there so the output looks jerky. You get better quality conversion with 3rd party tools like JES Deinterlacer. And usually there is no point in converting NTSC to PAL because all PAL DVD players and almost all PAL TVs can display NTSC.
See also:
http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/SVCDon_a_Macintosh.html#PALNTSC

I need to author DVD for both ntsc, pal,& different regions.Need some help

Hey guys
I have a school project in relation with a company. We have to create many DVDs for there training courses. They train dogs and they need us to edit the video footage and author the dvds READY FOR SALE.
First off. I don't know at this moment but I believe that these dvds might need to be in both pal and ntsc format, maybe also in different regions. Therefore my first question is
1. What format should I convert the video footage to, before I start my video editing, if I want to author my final edit to dvd?
--> Would it be mpeg2 min 6 mbps max 8 mbps because as I know that is the format for dvd. Or do you leave it as the native camera format eg DV.
2. What frame size should I convert that original video footage to aswell?
3. What things do I need to know regarding pal and ntsc formats. How do I prepare a dvd ready for both formats? What format do I edit in
4. What do I need to know regarding doifferent regions, and how do I set up my dvd for different regions?
5. Is there anything else I need to know before I start editing so I do get into any trouble later on?

dang itpowda, you killing me.. haha jk!
anyway, ok i see where you can be confused. hopefully this can answer yoru questions.
ok in the NTSC world, if you are creating a graphic file for exampe for TV, then you would create the file with a square pixel (PAR = 1.0 in this case) and your frame size will be 720x540 only because if you create it using the rectagular NTSC pixel, your image will look sueezed and you would have to resize the graphic anyway for TV because remember, you would be creating it on a computer monitor that has a PAR of 1.0 natively, although your DAR is the same, the PAR is not. now, when you have video in D1 NTSC, you would have a rectangular pixel (PAR = 0.9 in this case) and a frame size of 720x486.
ok, now PAL. once again, if we are creating a CG file for video on a computer, we can creat it using a square pixel and then resize it for PAL TV and the PAR in this case would be 720x768. the reason for this is because in PAL, the PAR is 1.0667, NOT .09 as in NTSC. both standards share the same rectangular pixel.
now for the DAR. lets assume we are talking about a full frame TV set for a minute. we know that both PAL and NTSC standards, although with different PAR (0.9 vs. 1.0667) have the same DAR (in this case 1.33:1 in decimal form which you obtain from dividing the ratio (whole number) first number by the second). you have to remember we get the DAR of 4:3 assuming that it is a FF picture because the image on the screen takes up 4 units wide to 3 units high. in PAL or NTSC this is true, regardless of PAR. the differences in PAL and NTSC come from the refresh rate, PAR, frame rate and color space to name some and keep it simplistic.
i hope that is somewhat clear. now, to answer your questions:
First thing. If PAL and NTSC both had a PAR of 1:1, they would both have a DAR of 720*540, true?
nope, if you have or want a PAR of 1:1 (to create CG files), then NTSC would be 720x540 and PAL would be 720x768.
the rest of your questions are pretty much false :P
now, you might be wondering, HOW N THE HECK DID HE GET THOSE NUMBERS!
ok, lets say you need to create a CG file on a computer, but want to keep the PAR right (remember, if you create said file with a frame size of 720x576 and a DAR of 1:1, your image will be squeezed a bit) you have to take into account a specific formula in video needed to do such and many more conversions!
let me show you how i obtained 720x768 for a PAR of 1:1...
we know we want to keep the width the same, since we are creating a image file for the PAL video.
lets get some numbers straight first:
width = 576
DAR = 4:3 (or 1.333 in decimal form)
so it would be 576 * 1.333 = 767.808 OR as a whole number 768.
how did i get the above formula:
i know the DAR of my input (from 4:3 video), i know the PAR of my ouput (from a 1:1 CG file) and i have my height from video (576). so the unknown variable in this case is the width.
so it would look something like this:
width = 576 * (4/3) / (1/1)
ok, we know that we want to convert the ratio of 4:3 and 1:1 into decimals (makes it easier to work with mathmatically).
when we do this, we get:
w = 576 * 1.333 / 1
we know that when you divide a number by one, you get the same value back, so for simplicity sake, lets take the sole 1 out, since it doesnt matter because 1.333 wont change in value:
w = 576 * 1.333 = 676.808 or when you round up to the nearest whole number, you get w = 678!
as long as you have the 3 of the 4 possible variables for the above formual, you can mathmatically get the variable you need.
i am exhausted, i need a beer!
Mikey M.

SD Pal to NTSC Pal... using compressor?

I'm a newbie to FCP, but have a couple of questions. I have a show that is cut in Pal with all Pal sources captured in ProRes from various tape sources. I want to convert that into NTSC to version it. I understand compressor is the tool I want to use to create the conversion, but am I best to copy the timeline and change the settings to NTSC, then export it as a quicktime through compressor? I expect to have to check for upper/lower field problems as the original material is from all over, but am not sure of the process of setting up or using compressor.
Thanks for any help

I tried a short timeline in FCP7 using SD and HD (720p) NTSC material and converted to PAL. I was able to use the SHARE menu and File>Send To>Compressor from within FCP and got what look like very good results quickly. I just ran all versions side by side in Quicktime windows with no noticeable difference. Not the best comparison, I know, but its all I had at the moment. Hope this helps clarify a bit.
all the best
Terry

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