NTSC Scanlines Question

When working on a NTSC project in FCP, if you import still image, does the images technically also have 525 scanlines? OR does this only apply to video?

The 525 scan lines of the NTSC television standard has nothing at all to do with resolution; either pixel resolution or horizontal lines of resolution. It is strictly an NTSC thing ... meaning that CRT TVs manufactured to receive an NTSC signal display the incoming signal (image + vertical blanking interval) through a series of scans by an electron gun that 'draw' the image over 525 alternating (odd and even fields) lines.
-DH

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SIlly NTSC monitor question

This may be a silly question but,
When viewing footage on an NTSC monitor, my footage looks quite different than it does in FCP on the computer screen. If I do color correction just based on the NTSC monitor for DVD output, will that DVD look the same once played on a regular DVD/TV and played on a computer's DVD player?
I ask because when I'm viewing footage on my NTSC monitor, it looks way different on my computer screen and I want my DVDs to look good whether they are played on a regular TV dor though a computer's DVD player.
Thanks

Now you've done it-- opened a whole can o' worms. Lots to consider:
Is your monitor truly a monitor, properly calibrated and set up? Will you be looking at the dvd on the same monitor? Are all the sets to be used for playback set up the same?
The idea of a properly calibrated monitor is that your show should look the same on your monitor as on any other properly calibrated monitor. But that's as far as it goes. There's no accounting for anyone else's tv set. Often manufacturers paint them "hot" and then people crank them even more to overcome less than ideal viewing conditions. So you're doubly hosed from the moment is leaves your hands.
The best you can do is create a show that looks good on a properly set up system and hope for the best.
But don't just rely on the monitor-- learn and use the scopes too.
And then there is the current manufacturers situation with monitors themselves. The industry is in a mess right now, transitioning to lcd-- none of which look really good. I hope Zebulon chimes in here-- a professional engineer who will tell you horror stories if he's in the mood.
And back to your original concern, do not trust your computer monitor in FCP for accurate color or much of anything else except your edits.

Getting video to play real time in an NTSC monitor question?

I’m trying to get video in my NTSC preview monitor to play real time. It will send a picture to the preview monitor but will not play real time even when timeline is rendered. I’m coming out of the back of my video card (ATI Radeon 9600) through a DVI cable to my HDTV monitor. Do I need a Firewire digital to analog converter box in order to see video in real time? I don’t want to use my camera as a pass through. Does FCE support a second monitor at all during editing?
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Moved from AVID to FCP...viewing on NTSC monitor question

I am in the process of migrating to FCP studio from AVID with mojo. With the mojo I used a S-video out to my NTSC monitor. Now with my FCP system, I have to always have my DSR-25 on and use the composite out to the monitor. Is there a better way? I am using FW and only editing in DV for the time being. A AJA IO would give me an S out but I do not have RS-422 control with my deck. Plus, that is a lot of bucks to pay just to get a clean video out to my monitor.
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If you have a deck you don't need the Canopus....if it is a firewire deck all you have to do is connect it to a monitor and you are good to go.
#8 External Monitor Viewing.
Shane's Stock Answer #8:
A simple path is mac > firewire > camera or deck > rca cables > tv
Then start up your camera and tv, then open fcp.
Then go View > External video > all frames
Video playback should be Apple firewire NTSC (If you are using an NTSC set)
Audio playback should be Audio follows Video
Techinially, this should send synched video to your TV
If for some reason you can't view your timeline on your external monitor, there are a few things to try:
1) Make sure that the camera/deck is connected and powered on BEFORE you open FCP.
2) In the Final Cut Pro menu select AUDIO/VIDEO Preferences and make sure your signal is being sent out thru Firewire DV.
3) Go to the menu and select VIEW>EXTERNAL>ALL FRAMES.
4) Click in the % box above the image and select FIT TO WINDOW.
5) Go to VIEW->refresh A/V devices
6) Make sure the Log & Capture window is closed
If you want it to play in both the canvas and the external monitor you need to go to the FINAL CUT PRO menu and select AUDIO/VIDIO settings and make sure MIRROR ON DESKTOP is selected under the PLAYBACK OUTPUT section
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NTSC/PAL Question

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PAL - NTSC Conversion question

I have some PAL DV footage at 25fps which I need to convert to NTSC to match some existing NTSC footage. The NTSC originated footage, when played in Quicktime diisplays the following info:
FPS: 23.98
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I need to convert the PAL footage to match the NTSC frame rates, annd also I'd like to converted footage to appear that it is NTSC roriginated (i'e, with the slower framerate as opposed to 25fps).
I've made a few tests using the Frame Controls "Set Duration" options in compressor, but the results always seem end up at the wrong frame rates. Which setting should use? And can somebody explain what all the settings mean?
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Marc,
I dont have extensive knowledge in this area although am literally doing the same conversion (PAL to NTSC) on my mac as I type this.
I also recently read in Videography magazine about a project that was assembled from archived footage and all of the footage used originated from different formats and that was the hardest part about editing.
They mentioned all the different ways they attempted to convert the footage but in the end it seemed as if they just settled for what looked best because they couldnt get an exact conversion.
If your looking for a better way I would contact a transfer house to see what they may be capable of doing. Another thing worthy of pointing out that reading how they did the conversion they never mentioned using compressor so there are probably better systems at converting the files.
hopefully this helps.
-jeremywearsvans

.mov fil (pal) to be converted to NTSC

Hi I have a .mov fil to convert it a ntsc dvd. I am looking for a workflow white papper if any so I can follow the steps.
there is such a lot of advice / tip on the web but I don't know what to trust need a good converation.
In AME it looks like you can add a preset for it to make a mpeg2 file(ntsc) My question has any one done this with good resultss and is it the right way to go.
any help in clearing this question out for me will make my Sunday a happy day.
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Trevor

You're not likely to get 'good' results going from PAL to NTSC on your own. There are some key differences which make quality conversion difficult. A post house with proper hardware/software could do it, but who knows how much that would cost.
Of course, this all hinges on your definition of 'good'.

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There is a known bug with the Intensity cards and Blackmagic driver 9.7 where it does not output HD, only SD This should be resolved soon.
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it looks stretched taller.
I think you have Anamorphic material.
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LCD TV for MBP Question - PAL/NTSC ?

I want to buy an LCD TV (not plasma) to use with my MBP. If possible from the USA as the exchange rates are so good it would be a real bargain.
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Syntrak,
My 2 cents, it might be difficult for you to find a seller that ship out of the US (specially for TV). I took the liberty to reply to your post because I spent 8 ear in the US until last september.
You are right about NTSC vs. PAL, it's going to be more difficult to find in the US a TV that is PAL than here in Europe to find a TV the accept NTSC.
I just check Amazon.com and they do not show NTSC/PAL compatibility (one TV shows ATSC, to receive HD signal from the air), look here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FA0DFM/ref=dpcp_ob_title0/102-3583852-2110522
Here is more info about ATSC signal: http://www.answers.com/topic/atsc (read the wikipedia article).
Also I'm afraid that no TV sold in the US will have a SCART input, I do not really know if UK use that input plug.
You are going to have hard time to find a TV that also work in 220V (US is 110Volt), not a lot of TV (contrary to DVD player) accept 110/220Volts.
Check Circuit city (www.circuitcity.com) Best Buy (www.bestbuy.com) for information as well as Amazon.com but none will ship out of the US (as far as I know).
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Hoping this will be a trivial question for someone, since my DSP 4 documentation doesn't seem to have much to say about it...
I'm planning to produce a series of DVDs whose content will consist of a large number of video assets (2000+). Currently, these assets are in NTSC MPEG-2 format, with corresponding audio assets in either AC3 or AIFF. My question is: what do I need to do in order to produce a complimentary series of PAL DVDs with this content, given that DSP doesn't appear capable of importing NTSC video assets into PAL projects directly?
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You will need to convert NTSC assets to PAL assets to do it properly (including menus). Compressor does conversion and there is also other software, such as www.Nattress.com, which does conversion.
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2,000 video files is daunting, so try to stay as organized as possible
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Emergency questions exporting for dvd studio pro (ntsc and pal)

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I'm under a tight timeline and would appreciate any help possible. I'm experimenting with outputs/burning today so the real thing can happen tomorrow.
I have an hour long project that was shot on two different kinds of cams -- a sony hdv V1U and pan dvx100b. The first shot mostly in 16:9, the second squeeze 24p. We imported all footage as non-hd though, because the V1u has had problems syncing properly with hd settings with final cut. The issue/question now is this-
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PAL-NTSC questions

I have a lot of VHS-PAL tapes to commit to iMovie/iDVD5. I have transferred several using a Video Standards Converter (PAL to NTSC) and an Analog to Digital converter (set to NTSC). There were some artifacts in the final result that I did not like, so I removed the Standards converter and set the A/D device to PAL (rather than NTSC) and fed into iMovie/iDVD5. The results played perfectly on a Sony DVD player into CRT analog TVs with NO artifacts!
I am thinking of using this as standard practice because results are superior.
How is this method possible?
Does iMovie/iDVD5, or the Sony player throw away 100 scan lines and insert 5 fps?
Conversely will homegrown NTSC DVDs play on PAL players and PAL TVs?
Am I making a mistake for the future?
Will this work with the new Digital display TVs (Hi-Def)?
I would sincerely appreciate any enlightenment that the forum can offer on all my questions.
This is Posted on both iDVD and iMovie Forums for wider exposure
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Yes, you can convert PAL<->NTSC via iDVD/iMovie/QT
but the results are not very good because the
movement gets jerky because frames are just dropped
or duplicated to compensate the different
framerates.
I guess iDVD did the conversion in your case because
apparently you left its prefs at NTSC.
You get smoother motion with JES Deinterlacer:
http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/SVCDon_aMacintosh.ht
ml#PAL_NTSC
http://www.danslagle.com/mac/iMovie/tips_tricks/6017.s
html
Dear Matti: You were perfectly correct in your analysis as to what transpired. Your answer and the valuable links help me a lot and are sincerely appreciated.
One further question, however: How long does the JES DeInterlacer take to convert 1 minute if iMovie from PAL to NTSC?
Thanks again
Malcolm
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IMovie - iDVD and a NTSC versus PAL question

I have some questions about creating iMovie for use in iDVD and about the various formats. Here goes:
I have a large number of travel photos taken in various cities that I need to use to create a project in iMovie. In addition, I have a couple of smallish video segments that go with each of these cities. I want to be able to get to any section from the DVD menus. The sections being defined as the either the videos or the photos for each individual city. Also, I need to be able to create both NTSC and PAL formatted DVD's from this exercise.
Now, as I understand it, there's several ways I can approach this:
First, I can use iMovie to create discreet projects for each segment. The individual city videos being one type. The photo shows of the individual cities being another type. Then export each of these via the media browser and import them individually into iDVD. But that then begs the question of NTSC versus PAL. Since I have to choose a project format in iMovie (NTSC or PAL), does that imply that I've got to have separate projects for each one of the cities NTSC or PAL versions? Or can I just use the NTSC project and cut the DVD in either NTSC or PAL format based on the settings in iDVD? If I use this route, what's the best export format to use for optimal appearance on the finished DVD?
Second, I can create one long project in iMovie. Put chapter markers in it and export it to the media browser. Then, import it into iDVD and use the chapter markers referenced from the various menu picks. If I go this route, once again, how do I account for the NTSC versus PAL differences? And again, what's the best export settings for optimal viewing?
I guess much of this question relates to the issue of having to specify a format in both iMovie and iDVD. If I choose NTSC in iMovie, but use PAL in iDVD, other than the obvious format mismatch, what actually happens by doing this? Or, turn it around. Use PAL in iMovie and NTSC in iDVD. Again, what's the ramifications of doing this?
Just trying to figure out the best way of going about this and what the tradeoffs are for each approach. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Oh... and sorry to have been so long winded.
Many thanks in advance,
Tom

Hi
Oh Dear. Is this an assigned task from an editing turor. Then He/She is mean.
a. If You want a DVD - Then You should not use iMovie'08 or 09 or 11 as they can not export interlaced video to iDVD as it needs but discard every second line resulting in a less quality DVD. Use (for SlideShows and Movies)
• iMovie up to HD6 (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FinalCut any version (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FotoMagico (if You make only a SlideShow - can not do movies)
If persisting with iMovie'08-11 - Then DO NOT use "Share to iDVD" from within any version of iMovie (not 3 - HD6 either) as they do a bad job. But in iM'08-11 "Share to Media Browser" and as Large. In iM HD6 or FCE/P Save as QuickTime .mov and import this into iDVD.
b. NTSC and PAL - If DVD is to be sent to EU (PAL) - then most DVD-players also playback NTSC so conversion is not needed (mostly).
There are NO way to make a combo version PAL & NTSC - They do not exist.
If You make a PAL iMovie /FC project - then DO NOT let iDVD convert to NTSC (or other way either)
• it can do so - BUT Result is severely BAD
I use JES_Deinterlacer to make the conversion and it's so much better. (free on internet)
But absolutly best result is by doing two versions in the movie-editor - one PAL and one NTSC version.
c. Use High quality DVD brand - I only use Verbatim DVD-R
and set down burn speed to x4 - Less burn errors and plays on many more Players.
Just to start with.
Take one Q at a time and we can fix this.
Yours Bengt W

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