NTSC TO PAL conversion sounds/looks slows

Using Compressor 3.0.5 I made a test. A 4 minute HDV 720p30 clip was exported, reference from FCP. I used the Apple > Other workflows > advanced format conversion > standard def > DV PAL setting to change it from NTSC to PAL. I also made a test conversion using the Nattress Standards conversion plugin.
Questions
1. audio/video sounds/looks slower with the Compressor version than the Nattress plugin test version. Since both are playing at 25fps in Quicktime player, what should I do in the Compressor setting to get good results? How do I correct it?
FYI I imported the Compressor compressed file into DVD SP, made a PAL project, track 16:9 letterbox and it looks o.k., just sounds/looks slow.
Thanks for helping!

I don't have the answer to your question, but...
NTSC DVDs will play back in %99 of PAL set top devices without issues. Computers don't care if the standard is NTSC or PAL. If this is a one-off disc, chances are it will work fine as it is. Check with the recipient.
If you are about to make dozens of discs or even go to replication, you should look into having the master transferred via a dedicated hardware converter such as those from Terranex or Snell & Wilcox.
You will get excellent quality and it will be real time.

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DV PAL is a set data rate - 3.56 MB/s when run at 25 fps.
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x

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Hi Guys,
I have come hat in had to ask the gurus here about format conversion. I have a Lagarith AVI that is PAL, 30 FPS & progressive. If I am encoding that to NTSC, what steps should I be taking?
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you dont have to have hat in hand... nobody is gonna bite your head off.
this is place where users of programs like YOU help each other.
To do that sometimes questions are answered with an eye toward fixing ( educating ? ) a person about the underlying causes of confusion. This means spending a moment to explain things sometimes...rather than just blurting out the obvious and making a poster look for the answer somewhere else.
NTSC is based on the electrical grid of 60 cycles per second... and so half of that is 30 frames per second.
PAL is based on an electrical grid that generates AC current at 50 cycles per second.. so half of THAT is 25 fps.
This has to do with broadcast TV. It has NOTHING to do with what your camera actually shoots, your options with your source material... it ONLY has to do with broadcast TV.
If you live in a country that is PAL ( like the UK ? ) then they broadcast PAL at 25fps.
If you live in a country like the USA then they broadcast at 30 FPS.
What you need to do is determine what country you want to send your product to... broadcast it...or make DVD for local TV's to watch it...
Do you live and work and want to deliver your video in PAL or NTSC ?
Again, this has NOTHING to do with what you shot your video with. It only has to do with what your delivery is.
If your original source material ( video you shot ) is 30 FPS... than it is in line with being NTSC...cause that's what the US and other places using 60 cycle per second electric generators use for their main power grid.
That is what Ann meant by saying it is " already" NTSC ". she was referring to your source material if it is in fact 30 FPS.
What YOU do with that in your editing export etc to accomodate different 'markets' ( pal and ntsc etc ) is up to YOU.... and there are different ways to do that...depending on which way you are going....
For example, interleaved is nice for some broadcast markets ... instead of progressive. It all depends on stuff you want to deliver to. It has nothing to do with what you SHOT it at...or your source material.
Google NTSC and PAL and progressive vs interlaced and you will start to see what is going on...
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Welcome to Apple Discussions
If you have a digital camcorder you can do what I do. I use a Sony DV camcorder as a pass-through to convert video tape (VHS, Beta & video 8) via FireWire into iMovie.

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what is the best settings in COMPRESSOR to convert a DV file from NTSC to PAL (that will not take 4 days to convert one hour....)

If you think of your time as worth, oh $50/hr then all you need to do is save 2hrs and the software has paid for itself. Any speed increases after that are pure profit.
If your your time has no monetary value, then I can appreciate your desire to use compressor for this.
Hopefully someone will chime in with settings.
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We made an 80 min DV PAL movie and released it last September. It's sold well (more than paid back the investment in equipment and still going).
We have a distributor in the USA who converted it to NTSC for sale there because at the time, I wasn't able to contemplate learning how to do the conversion myself (and we're on a very tight budget).
He recently sent us a copy of the resulting NTSC DVD and the quality's dreadful. It's not sharp, the colour's far too saturated and the highlights are badly blown out.
I've recently re-edited the movie and it seemed a good time to learn how to convert PAL to NTSC, so I bought the Nattress System and was making great progress until I burned a sample to DVD.
It looks fine in FCP, looks fine in the Simulator of DVDSP - but when the DVD's burned, the highlights are blown out.
This only happens with PAL-NTSC conversions - and I've now tried several including Nattress, Slow-Pal (a-la Ken Stone) and Compressor. Don't ask what settings I've used in these processes, I must have tried nearly all of them!
Why would footage which looks good in the DVDSP Simulator have blown highlights on DVD? It's not the DVD player or TV as they play the PAL version perfectly.
In FCP the "Show Excess Luma" setting gives everything the green light - I've used the 3 Way Colour Corrector to reduce highlights to 210 (from 255) and it makes no difference whatever. I've even used the Broadcast Safe filter set to Very Conservative - no change whatever!
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Andy
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Sequence / Settings / video processing Tab
I think it should be set to "Render in 8-bit YUV" - not sure what might happen if rendering in RGB but maybe that would cause colour shifting.
Also it should probably be set to "Process maximum white as Super-White". If you have shot most of the footage with the Z1 I beleive this will give you "Super-whites" meaning above 100 percent so "Super-white" is the correct setting unless you have corrected each shot individually. I am honestly a bit fuzzy on this, but my process is to use the colour corrector only for large corrections - finish the program and then run the whole timeline through a broadcast safe filter at the end. It is my understanding that in the case of the Z1 PD170 PD150 etc that do record super-white then the sequences you edit it would be set to super-white.
http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/lj_white.html
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60864
Best regards,
Paul
ps. What is your movie? Is it publicly available?
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TIP: 24p ntsc to PAL conversion

Many thanks to Graeme Nattress for this solution.
Our project was a 90-minute doc edited in 24p ntsc. We needed to create a PAL version by transcoding in software. If we simply placed the ntsc version in a PAL sequence, the frame rate change resulted in blurry motion and repeated frames, giving the motion a jerky look.
I had been trying to use the Nattress standards conversion plugins with no success. However, Graeme was kind enough to recommend the following workflow:
1. Create a reference movie of the original sellf-contained movie of the ntsc version
2. Conform the 24p clip to 25 fps in Cinema Tools. This took about 1 second. The resulting clip was 4% shorter (about 4 minutes) and the audio was automatically speeded up to match.
3. I now placed the 25 fps ntsc clip into a PAL sequence and scaled it up to 120% to fill the PAL frame. I exported my mpeg for DVD using compressor, which took only about 6 hours to encode on a dual 1.8 G5, a perfectly acceptable ratio of about 4:1. The result was that all of our original 24P frames were intact, with no conversion, interpolation, extra frames, blurring, etc. The quality was much better than any other workflow I had tested, and it saved us lots of rendering and exporting time.
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Yes, definitely the way to do it.
Even in the NTSC world, low-budget filmmakers have been doing the reverse for years - shooting PAL because of the ease of conversion from 25fps video to a 24fps film print - a 4% slow-down in this case. The extra 96 lines of vertical resolution is especially beneficial in this workflow too!
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- Is there anything special I need to set in Compressor (v1.2.1) for PAL?
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If you want a smaller file size you have two choices -
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