NTSC to PAL yields 1 FPS?

I'm not sure what's going on here, but I have a project where I need to convert 29.97 Fps AVI video compressed with XVID over to PAL DV AVIs...
However, when I set ouput to DV PAL, the output only appears to be rendering something like 1 fps... This is using the default PAL DV preset for output. I've also tried tweaking the output settings, but PAL comes out this way regardless what I do.
When I set the 'preview' window in premiere to PAL, I get the same result... something like 1fps preview...
Anyone have insight as to what's going terribly wrong here?

Without going to great lengths trying to replicate your problem on my end, have you experimented with other codecs? Changed destination formats (i.e., tried Quicktime instead of .avi) etc.
You should try to isolate which specific aspect of your conversion could be causing the problem. I'm guessing it has something to do with your source codec.

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Ntsc (60 fps) vs PAL (50 fps)?

Hi all,
I have to choose between NTSC with 60 FPS or PAL with 50 fps on my new GoPro camera (black edition hero3+). What should I do? I live in the Netherlands, so intuitively would go for PAL. But that lowers the framerate possibilities. Higher framerate will enhance my plans to edit certain parts in slowmotion. So, is it possible to shoot with NTSC at 60 fps, edit this movie (in a 60 fps project), burn it to blu ray with loss of quality? Or should I choose for PAL 50 fps?
Thanks in advance for all for the help!
Hugo

Your thought processes are almost correct. Shoot 60fps and edit 25fps.
The frames per second for your sequence have little to do with the frames per second of your footage when you are shooting with the intention of playing it back in slow motion.
Now that we are not using interlaced footage, and we are not trying to solve the problems of frame size differences between PAL and NTSC, there is little difference between me shooting at 60fps to put it on a 24fps timeline, and you putting it on a 25fps timeline. At least not for the slow motion footage.
The slow motion footage will show every frame when you interpret the footage to 25fps. No problem. It will look great.
The question is, what will the 60fps footage look like when put on a 25fps sequence at normal speed? Keep in mind the shutter speed is different when shooting 25 or 60.
And I say "little" difference. The math of 60 to 24 might be easier for the program than 60 to 25. I doubt it. After all, it is just a matter of dropping frames.
So that leaves the footage content itself. If it can survive the dropped frames, then great! If it is a little choppy, then it really wasn't suitable.
You have to decide that for yourself. My suggestion is to shoot some sample footage for practice before you do it for anything important. Get to know your camera and how 60fps looks on a 25fps timeline on a BD.

Change the sequence settings from NTSC 30 fps to PAL 25 fps, is possible?

Hello,
I have a finished project that was make in a sequence with the format NTSC 30 fps. Now I need to change that sequence and the project to PAL 25 fps. I have changed the settings of the source secuence to PAL 25, but in the resulting sequence the audio and the videos are different in time and speed.
With the videos I have make a match frame to find the source, but with the audios I have problems. ¿There is a automatic proccess in final cut pro 7.0 that could make a translation of a finished sequence that was developed in NTSC 30 ftp to a PAL 25 fps?
Can you give me a tip or something to make the trasnlation ?
Thanks in advance

Sorry...but it isn't as simple as changing a project frame rate. FCP is NOT good at mixing frame rates. And when you put NTSC footage (29.97fps), into a PAL timeline (25fps), that is exactly what you are doing. No, this won't work. No magic solution for this (although Avid MC5 does this nicely).
You are going to have to export a QT file, and let Compressor tackle this job (and it will take a WHILE, and you will have to run a few tests to see if your settings work to your satisfaction), or take that QT file to a post house with a Terranex or Snell/Wilcox to do the conversion ($$$$)...or output to tape AND THEN do the Terranex thing.
No easy button here.
Shane

Where can I check to see if project has been imported in NTSC or PAL?

I have been importing DV tapes from both NTSC and PAL DV camcorders and I think I may have made a mistake on a take and recorded an NTSC tape in PAL. I can't find anywhere that tells me if my projects are in PAL or NTSC. Does anyone know how I can check?
Thanks
Kevin

[email protected] wrote:
...I tried what you said but it only gives me the option to see codecs under 'more info' when I view the info on the thumbnail files and then it still doesn't tell me if it is Pal or NTSC. When I right click on the file in the finder the only info I get is that it is a DV Movie....
.... ooops..
in case you own QTpro or the free tool Mpeg Streamclip, open file, hit Apple-I and read in the info framerate/fps: 25=PAL, 29.97=NTSC..

Burning the same DVD in NTSC and PAL

Hi,
I need to burn two DVDs, one in NTSC and one in PAL.
When I started the process of burning in NTSC, it took about an hour to "Process Movie"
After that, I changed the setting in iDVD Preferences to PAL, and started to burn another DVD. This time the software skipped the "process movie" and just burned the DVD.
I thought that the movie needs to be processed again, to fit the 25fps of the PAL. but it didn't. Of course I'm happy for the time I saved. But I want to make sure that I'm right. Am I?
thanks a lot
ymotion

Hi
Most PAL DVD-player can playback NTSC (old TV = Black/White)
Few NTSC DVD-player can playback PAL
Just changing iDVD project from one to the other might work BUT THE RESULT will be BAD.
Using a program converting from PAL to NTSC is far more better eg JES_Deinterlacer.
*PAL to NTSC*
A. Conversion of commersial DVDs - No Not at all - Not even legal to discuss.
B. Home made DVDs (without copy protection)
NTSC ---> PAL.
• Most often not necessary - Most stand alone PAL-DVD players playback NTSC
(if TV is old in BL/W)
PAL ---> NTSC.
• If played on Mac - not necessary AT ALL
• If on NTSC-DVD-player - CONVERSION IS NEEDED - nearly no Stand alone NTSC-DVD-players
playback PAL at all.
To do this You need to conver the PAL DVD to streaming.DV
• I use Roxio Toast™ to do this (There are no free converter)
• JES_Deinterlacer (free on internet) to convert to NTSC
• Set up an NTSC project (29.97fps or 30) in iDVD and import then burn
I burn to
• Verbatim DVD-R
• Set down burn speed in iDVD to x1 or x4 recommended by many
• Secure a minimum of 25Gb free space on internal boot hard disk before burning (IMPORTANT)
PAL is 25 fps and an analog TV standard of 625 lines
NTSC is 29.97 fps and 520 lines
NTSC (29.97fps) 520 lines - about640x480 pixles (square) 720x480 rectangular (narrow) pixels
PAL (25 fps) 625 lines - about768x576 pixles (square) 720x576 rectangular (narrow) pixels
to use a photo 702x480 resp 576 then add 9pixles on each side to add togheter as 720
Yours Bengt W

NTSC to PAL, anyone?

Hello There,
I'm about to buy Premier and I'm excited about it. I'm learning and you'll see that from my question.
Can anyone tell me if Premier has the ability to output an NTSC project to PAL? My camera is NTSC. My client needs a PAL end result.
Or, if that's not possible, what program will do the job and how's the quality of the result?
Thanks,
BT

Crellin Sound wrote:
Hmmmm,
Just how tricky is the frame rate conversion going from NTSC to PAL? We'll probably shoot at 24fps, but one never knows. There's a possibility that this could go to TV.
And just how much visual color difference is there between NTSC and PAL? Does the difference between 16 - 235 for NTSC and 0 - 255 for PAL really matter? Is it noticeable?
Thanks,
BT
Well, make sure you know at least what you are shooting
I just gave it a try using AME, max render quality & frame blending and the result is... let me put is this way: you'll see the difference comparing both clips, especially if the source is interlaced, for progessive its a quite a bit better. Some people would say just play it back at 25 fps, the lesser speed is visually below being perceivable, but you will get audio shifting.
Using time remapping might be better, I had good result using Apples Compressor which uses optical flow for rendering intermediate frames (which is not good for CG, by the way). After Effects has similar capabilities, but I haven't used them yet.
As long as you stay in HD you wont notice any color differences since there arent any. Both use the same color space.

FROM NTSC TO PAL

I have a sanyo xactia hd digital camera, so i want to change from 29 fps to 25 fps and i can't or i don't know how to do it. Can somebody help me?. Thanks a lot.

What camera are you shooting with? mpeg4 is not an idea editing format.
You can use compressor to change your finished sequence from ntsc to pal. Do some googling and searching here. And you might check the compressor documentation.
I use a plugin by Graeme Nattress to do the conversion. It does a great job
http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconversion.htm
Definitely worth the investment.

From NTSC to PAL .mov - huge, urgent problem!!

Ive shot a shortfilm on a Canon XH A1 NTSC, 24 fps, HDV, 16:9.
It has been edited in FCP and exported as a Quiktime Movie (.mov)
Then i burned it to a DVD and discovers that it lags annoyingly when played on a DVD player (Im from Denmark so its PAL).
Now, i thought running it through FCP would have solved the NTSC / PAL problem automatically, but I was wrong.
How do I make my 23.98 fps Quiktime Movie play on a PAL DVD?? I tried Cinema Tools, but it wont open and conform the .mov file.
I have to turn it in tomorrow and seriusly need help.
Thank you so much...

Hi,
welcome to FCP discussion area.
A great standard converter is [Nattress Standard Converter|http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconvers ion.htm].
However, if you have Compressor you may convert from NTSC to PAL at no cost.
Compreesor settings>Other Workflows>Advanced Format Conversion>Standard Definition.
Here is an article which you may use as general guidance:
http://www.macworld.com/article/49306/2006/02/marchcreate.html
G.

NTSC or PAL to Flash CS3

Hi,
I need to edit a movie and place it in an Flash document.
When I want to purchase the movie I have to option to download it in NTSC and PAL or HD
The HD has 29,97 fps -> so NTSC
I am in a PAL-country so the logical choice is to download a PAL version.
I have a theorie but don't know if this will work.
If I do download the HD version and edit this in Premiere Pro CS3 and export it with the NTSC settings. I will have no loss in the movie.
But if I import it in Flash CS3 and export the movie will I have quality loss?
I think not because the movie will be shown on a computer screen.
I hope somebody can help me with this.

G.
One of the advantages of Shooting with a PAL camera is that you don't have too many frame rates to worry about and no pull down is needed.
You can shoot PAL (50 fields per second as opposed to NTSC 60 ) at 25frames ps (or better 50fps, talk to your DoP about this) edit easily with FCP on a PAL timeline and eventually convert to NTSC using [Nattress Standard Converter|http://www.nattress.com/Products/standardsconversion/standardsconvers ion.htm] or Compressor 3.
However, there are a couple of things you can take into account:
1)most DVD players nowadays can play both PAL and NTSC (Not all though)
2)If you are used to a specific workflow stick with it or do some tests before you take any decision.
You could shoot with a PAL camera and edit a few minutes in FCP, do a standard conversion with Compressor then encode and import the asset in DVDSP to burn a DVD to see if you are happy.
Testing is a crucial step of the work and hiring the camera for half a day will cost you much less than a rushed decision.
Best,
G.

Converting NTSC to PAL with chapter markers

Hey guys,
I have just a quick question.
I am making a home made video. I did all the editing in FCP and made a great DVD in iDVD. I would like to do the same thing in PAL format so I can send it to my parents in Europe. My original footage is in NTSC. I did my own research and tried using compressor to change format to PAL.
I tried several different settings (PAL DV, Mpeg 2 PAL) but the outcome movie is always missing chapter markers.
I also tried to import the PAL movie (after conversion in Compressor) to FCP and added chapter markers but did not work.
Does anybody know how to convert the format from NTSC to PAL and keep the chapter markers at the same time? I would like to mantain as high quality as possible.
Thanks for your help.
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Well, this seemed to work. However, being completely new to converting to PAL, I was surprised to see the "jumpiness" that goes along with the frame rate drop. Looking at it taxes the eyes as it seems like its dropping frames every so often. I realize, through more research that this is due to the 25 FPS nature of PAL plus the fact that I'm converting and not just authoring from PAL material. Having said this, is there a tried and true way of "smoothing" this jumpiness that anyone would share?
A friend of mine suggested that when I place the file into DVDSP, I choose the TOP field in the encoding tab, prior to burning the disk. In the past I have always left the FIELD menu set at Auto. He says that setting it to TOP might help a little.
He also told me that a lot of the software based converters don't do the best of jobs. Although acceptable results may come from tweaking the settings, the best way to convert NTSC to PAL (with the most pleasing results) is by using a very high end converter (not a computer). Although you have to weigh out the circumstances such as how many disks will eventually be converted compared to available budget, is it worth spending a little extra for a master that will ultimately see 1,000 copies?
I'm planning on showing my client the burn with field dominance set to TOP, on Monday. Hopefully she'll find it acceptable and I'll be able to move on with this project. Thanks for all the help!
Steve
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PAL 25 fps conversion to 24 fps.

Forum,
I have read 24 fps produces a "nicer" look than Pal 25 fps or NTSC 30 fps.
So have spent some time searching for the means to change the PAL footage to 24 fps. without using Cinema tools.
Of course there is an option in Tools.
So I selected a scene in the time line and choose conform 25 to 24 in tools.
Well it tells me the footage is not 25 fps.
This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?
Comments and help would be most welcome.
Thank you
Michael.

Well it tells me the footage is not 25 fps.
This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?
PAL is 25 fps. It's possible that you made a mistake somewhere along the line.
Open the original media (inside the Capture Scratch folder) in QuickTime Player
and choose Get Info. Is the framerate 25? If not, then you captured it incorrectly
or you accidentally changed it.
Cinema Tools works great for conforming, but if you try something, it will
save to the file without asking you. Maybe that happened while you were
experimenting.
So I selected a scene in the time line and choose conform 25 to 24 in tools.
To conform you need to select the clip in the Browser, not the Timeline.
If you conform the clip, then the file gets changed, so every instance
on the Timeline is changed.
When you've got your 25 footage conformed to 24, you'll notice that the
sound is pitched lower, so you'll need to change the pitch of the sound track + 4.17%.
Of course, the question remains: does it look "nicer"?

NTSC to PAL in AME CS4

Please advise if I missed the forum that is strictly for Adobe Media Encoder CS4, having found none I've chosen to post here.
I need to convert a standard NTSC DV file in the MS avi format to PAL DV in the Quicktime format.
While AME CS4 does a much better job than it's predecessor, it's still struggling with the frame rate interpolation, yielding video that's visibly dropping frames to achieve 25fps. Quality converters to a great job of masking the frame conversion.
My question is: 1) Am I missing some setting tweak that could improve the look of the PAL conversion? 2) If not, can anyone recommend another software encoder that DOES do an outstanding job of converting NTSC to PAL. I'm thinking of buying either Sorenson Squeeze or Canopus MediaCoder.
Brent

Try this process.
It was originally developed to create 24p DV files, but can also be used to convert NTSC to PAL (and quite well I might add). The details are in the Read Me.
Going from AVI to MOV is another issue, though. Not sure how specifically to do that one as I'm really not a Mac fan.

IMovie - Changing From NTSC To PAL & Other Way Around

I want to make a dvd in pal format and at present its only doing them in NTSC format. I've looked at the help on the site which states:
iMovie initially set all projects to PAL or NTSC video depending on the type of camcorder or device you connect to the computer, or the format of the first video you import.
To set new projects to be NTSC or PAL, follow these steps:
Update to iMovie 3.0.3 or later. It is available from the iMovie website (http://www.apple.com/imovie/). iMovie 4 is available as part of iLife (http://www.apple.com/ilife).
Open iMovie.
From the iMovie menu, choose Preferences.
Change "New Projects are:" to either NTSC or PAL.
Now I'm using 6.0.1 but I can't see "New Projects are" anywhere under the preferences in iMovie HD, can someone please offer me some suggestions as although this is my first mac I've had a pc for sometime so I'm not totally clueless about changing options and looking where to find these things....

With iMovie 6.0.1 the wording has changed slightly. In preferences, under 'General', you now want 'New Project Frame Rate:'. Set to 25 fps for PAL, and 29.97 fps for NTSC.
Presumably, as you're in the UK, all your imported footage is in PAL format anyway. If you are importing NTSC footage, but want to export in PAL, I would suggest that you convert the NTSC to PAL before importing it.
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Ntsc to pal issue

hello.
Every time i put .mov thru compressor ,when loading in dvd studio pro , i get the error stating ntsc project can not be added to pal project

Based on a quick Google for Sony HVR-A1J, you're using a Japanese gray market version of the A1. Japan is a NTSC (29.97 frames per second) country.
If you are allowing FCP to reconfigure Sequence settings to match the video clips (which you typically should do) it is creating a NTSC sequence. Basically, if you want to create PAL DVDs of decent quality you need to shoot with a PAL camera.
In your current situation you need to convert NTSC (29.97 fps) to PAL (25 fps). The Final Cut Studio package can only do a 'fair' quality job, for best quality you'd need to send it out to a professional conversion facility.
Find the DVD Best Quality 150 minute preset in the Apple>DVD folder, click on it to highlight, click on the + button to create a duplicate, open the new copy, double click on the MPEG-2 preset, under the Encoder menu (click the 'gear' button for manual control) set the video format to PAL, under Frame Controls menu click the 'gear' button and turn Frame Controls On, set Resize to Best, select Rate Conversion: Best, Set Duration to 95.904% of source, click the Save button.
NTSC to PAL is not a beginner level process. Cross check the suggested settings above with the Compressor Manual to better understand what you're doing and why.
Oh, and get a video camera that shoots at 25 fps.

NTSC to PAL / 24fps

Hi guys,
I'm shooting a tv show for MTV tr in New York City and since it will air in Europe it has to be set in PAL so I am unsure on how to deal with the settings.
I have NTSC 24fps footage that needs to be edited. My question is when I start a new project in Premiere CS3 should I choose NTSC or PAL or should I start editing in NTSC and convert it to PAL?
Second question, when I import the footage in Premiere which, is located in my external hard drive with usb 2.0, the video seems jerky or choppy on the camera movements such as panning and any fast camera moves. Do you know how or where I can adjust this problem? Could it be that my project was shot in 24 fps and the new project file fps is 29.97? I didn't change any fps settings in the new project, so I assumed it's automatically 29.97.
My computer:
Windows XP
2.80GHz Pentium D CPU
2.00GB RAM
Third question, should I render my project and burn a DVD or does it render when you burn a DVD automatically?
Can anyone please help me with this?
Thank you so much!
Firat

From what you have described and looking at the specs I feel there is little chance of your program being accepted for television anywhere.
Need some answers...
What camera was used to shoot the footage at 24fps? Is it DV or HDV?
Why did you not choose a project setting of 24fps rather than 29.97?
Why did you use USB to transfer files rather than Firewire?
Capturing USB sort of indicates that your camera is DVD or HDD based and using Mpeg files which CS3 doesn't like, nor do TV stations.
Don't worry too much about burning a DVD until you work out if the footage is editable.

NTSC to PAL yields 1 FPS?

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