NTSC versus PAL in HD DVD

In order to create an HD DVD in NTSC and then another version in PAL, would you have to recreate menus the way you would if it was a regular DVD in NTSC and then PAL?
Thanks
Alex

Do a quick search for HD Video Pixels in the PDF (and the page before for SD) menu layouts and for the HD they are the same size for most of the options in HD, and my guess is you are using one of those.
Note though if you are using video PAL and NTSC do have some different rates (take a look for Supported Video Resolutions and then Creating Video For Motion Menus) so the video part of the menu (if any) needs to be accounted for.

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IMovie - iDVD and a NTSC versus PAL question

I have some questions about creating iMovie for use in iDVD and about the various formats. Here goes:
I have a large number of travel photos taken in various cities that I need to use to create a project in iMovie. In addition, I have a couple of smallish video segments that go with each of these cities. I want to be able to get to any section from the DVD menus. The sections being defined as the either the videos or the photos for each individual city. Also, I need to be able to create both NTSC and PAL formatted DVD's from this exercise.
Now, as I understand it, there's several ways I can approach this:
First, I can use iMovie to create discreet projects for each segment. The individual city videos being one type. The photo shows of the individual cities being another type. Then export each of these via the media browser and import them individually into iDVD. But that then begs the question of NTSC versus PAL. Since I have to choose a project format in iMovie (NTSC or PAL), does that imply that I've got to have separate projects for each one of the cities NTSC or PAL versions? Or can I just use the NTSC project and cut the DVD in either NTSC or PAL format based on the settings in iDVD? If I use this route, what's the best export format to use for optimal appearance on the finished DVD?
Second, I can create one long project in iMovie. Put chapter markers in it and export it to the media browser. Then, import it into iDVD and use the chapter markers referenced from the various menu picks. If I go this route, once again, how do I account for the NTSC versus PAL differences? And again, what's the best export settings for optimal viewing?
I guess much of this question relates to the issue of having to specify a format in both iMovie and iDVD. If I choose NTSC in iMovie, but use PAL in iDVD, other than the obvious format mismatch, what actually happens by doing this? Or, turn it around. Use PAL in iMovie and NTSC in iDVD. Again, what's the ramifications of doing this?
Just trying to figure out the best way of going about this and what the tradeoffs are for each approach. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Oh... and sorry to have been so long winded.
Many thanks in advance,
Tom

Hi
Oh Dear. Is this an assigned task from an editing turor. Then He/She is mean.
a. If You want a DVD - Then You should not use iMovie'08 or 09 or 11 as they can not export interlaced video to iDVD as it needs but discard every second line resulting in a less quality DVD. Use (for SlideShows and Movies)
• iMovie up to HD6 (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FinalCut any version (SlideShows or Movie) - or -
• FotoMagico (if You make only a SlideShow - can not do movies)
If persisting with iMovie'08-11 - Then DO NOT use "Share to iDVD" from within any version of iMovie (not 3 - HD6 either) as they do a bad job. But in iM'08-11 "Share to Media Browser" and as Large. In iM HD6 or FCE/P Save as QuickTime .mov and import this into iDVD.
b. NTSC and PAL - If DVD is to be sent to EU (PAL) - then most DVD-players also playback NTSC so conversion is not needed (mostly).
There are NO way to make a combo version PAL & NTSC - They do not exist.
If You make a PAL iMovie /FC project - then DO NOT let iDVD convert to NTSC (or other way either)
• it can do so - BUT Result is severely BAD
I use JES_Deinterlacer to make the conversion and it's so much better. (free on internet)
But absolutly best result is by doing two versions in the movie-editor - one PAL and one NTSC version.
c. Use High quality DVD brand - I only use Verbatim DVD-R
and set down burn speed to x4 - Less burn errors and plays on many more Players.
Just to start with.
Take one Q at a time and we can fix this.
Yours Bengt W

VHS (NTSC and PAL) conversion to DVD

I am trying to figure out an easy way to convert years of old kids videos (VHS in both NTSC and PAL format) to DVD.
I have seen there are combo VHS players (NTSC) with DVD recorder and hard drives. This looks like a lot easier than connecting Canoplus ADVC device.
Any advice welcome,
thanks

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If you have a digital camcorder you can do what I do. I use a Sony DV camcorder as a pass-through to convert video tape (VHS, Beta & video 8) via FireWire into iMovie.

NTSC to PAL Compression for DVD Studio Pro

I am trying to make PAL MPEG2s using Compressor. My videos are roughly 15 minutes long (I have 6 going onto one DVD). I altered one of the Presets to PAL, 16x9, one pass VBR, 4.5 to 7 data rate, best for the motion setting. And I get the typical odd chunky feeling during motion within the frame. Meaning frames look removed (or added) during movement. I looked at it not only on my MAC but on a PAL DVD routed to a true PAL monitor.
Any advice for settings I should try? I have two tests rendering - I moved up to 2 pass VBR, 5-8 data rates, better motion and best motion. I should be able to look at them this evening; but from the folks I talked to, I'm not hopeful. Has anyone figured a way to make PAL MPEG2s look good short of having PAL masters made and a large Post house do the files on their very expensive equipment?
Thanks,
Cindy S.

What version of Compressor are you using? Compressor 2 has frame rate conversion settings under the Frame Controls tab (offering various levels of quality).
In any case, you might want to try the freeware utility JES Deinterlacer since it supports fairly good NTSC to PAL conversion using either frame blending or a form of inverse telecine (to convert from NTSC's 29.97fps to PAL's 25fps). If you're using Compressor 1.X then this may be your best option unless you are willing to spend some money on an alternative, third-party solution.
You can download JES Deinterlacer from VersionTracker.com -- it comes with instructions.<small><hr width="75%"><small>If this suggestion helps in any way, a confirmation or acknowledgment would be appreciated, since that would also help others who may be having the same difficulty. Do for others as you would have them help you.<center>Thanks for sharing, Waymen.</center></small>

NTSC versus PAL

Can someone please tell me what the difference is between NTSC and PAL models?
On the list with camcorders compatible with Macs some of them are tested on NTSC and others on PAL. Will I have a problem choosing any of them?
Thank you very much in advance.

NTSC and PAL are analog television standards. Most European countries, including Greece, use the PAL standard. If you live in Greece and you plan to shoot video for use in your home country, then you should select a camcorder that supports PAL.
Here are links to more information about the PAL and NTSC video standards and usage.
Some PAL devices (camcorders, tape/DVD players, televisions, etc) also support NTSC but you have to read the features/specifications carefully.

Denmark NTSC or PAL

I am kinda in a hurry to send a DVD off to Denmark for a family reunion. I completely forgot about the format. It is a slide show I did in NTSC.
PAL or NTSC is the question or both maybe. I apologize for my ignorance!
Rob

Denmark is a PAL country. Check this:
The best you can do is recreate the project in PAL (you cannot change an existing project from NTSC to PAL).
Most DVD players/TVs in PAL countried can play NTSC standard, but you really can be sure of that at least you can ask the people in Denmark.
You can find here a list of countries and standards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL
Alberto

DVD Footage for FCP Edit - how to tell if NTSC or PAL?!

Hi all, apologies if this seems like a stupid request but I have a job at the moment calling for me to extract footage from a DVD, edit in FCP, add a few bits from Motion etc., but I can't work out if the DVD is NTSC or PAL!
I intend to extract the video (no issues with copyright) via DVDxDVPro but am unsure if the DVD has been encoded in NTSC or PAL. The footage it contains is from both the States (NTSC) and South Africa (PAL) so how do I tell? I don't want to go through a standards conversion if I can help it.
I am keen to try to retain as much quality as possible (client can't provide tape) so also any thougts on the best output from DVDxDVPRo for FCP editing?
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Michael

Hi Thomas, that's it!
Thanks for this - it clearly shows the TV standard and the resolution plus 4:3 etc., so everything I needed for confirmation.
Glad I cheked because it was in Pal - thought the conversion in DVDxDVPro looked a bit ropey.
This realy baffled me - seemed so simple but couldn't find a way to tell the standard. Learn something everyday...
I am using DVCPro for export from DVDxDVPro - anyone thoughts on a better option?
Thanks again for the answer - and so quick on a Sunday too!
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NTSC to PAL DVD

I am attempting to make a PAL DVD in DVDSP 3. I changed the disc and encoding settings to PAL and encoded my stand alone movie from media 100 which was 720x480 as PAL.
I watch the DVD on my g4 apple dvd player and it's fine, but when I watched it on my apex dvd player, I saw these lines running across horizontally. Thick lines, mostly on fast motion, but other places too.
When my client watches the same dvd on his computer, (mac 0s 9 i believe) he sees what I see on the apex.
Question: Is this normal, since my monitor is NTSC to see these lines? Normally when I've watched a PAL piece on a PAL player on an NTSC monitor, I see color problems and tracking problems... but not these lines...
Also: What is good for a stand alone program, to convert files from NTSC to PAL?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me.

You can't just encode from one standard to another
You need to use a standards converter, or have original PAL footage
What do you mean by "I changed the disc and encoding settings to PAL and encoded my stand alone movie from media 100?"
Just changing to PAL in DVD SP if the original footage is NTSC doesn't change the source footage and creates a PAL DVD.

HDV NTSC & PAL to SD DVD

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I've got two different projects that need to be combined into one dvd for the client.
problem is the first project was shot and edited as HDV 1080/60i and the second at
1080/50i, so i have an NTSC sequence and a PAL sequence.
the DVD needs to be in PAL.
also, i'm completely confused in regards to getting HDV to a SD DVD.
can't figure out what's the fastest, highest quality workflow.
thus far using compressor and dvd studio pro 4 to build the DVD using just the PAL sequence i've gotten nothing but interlaced awful looking video.
i've searched the boards on these subjects but i'm still not getting anywhere, just more confused.
any guidance is greatly appreciated!
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thanks RedTruck, i will try this!
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is JES deinterlacer the best way to convert the NTSC HDV to PAL HDV (or 1080/60i to 1080/50i)?
client also now wants this on PAL digibeta, so i'm thinking maybe the easiest way of doing all this is getting everything to 1080/50i HDV PAL, exporting via the camera back to HDV tape then taking the HDV tape to a dub house and have it downconverted there to DigiBeta. from that, reimport as SD PAL to make the PAL DVDs. how does this sound?

Burning the same DVD in NTSC and PAL

Hi,
I need to burn two DVDs, one in NTSC and one in PAL.
When I started the process of burning in NTSC, it took about an hour to "Process Movie"
After that, I changed the setting in iDVD Preferences to PAL, and started to burn another DVD. This time the software skipped the "process movie" and just burned the DVD.
I thought that the movie needs to be processed again, to fit the 25fps of the PAL. but it didn't. Of course I'm happy for the time I saved. But I want to make sure that I'm right. Am I?
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ymotion

Hi
Most PAL DVD-player can playback NTSC (old TV = Black/White)
Few NTSC DVD-player can playback PAL
Just changing iDVD project from one to the other might work BUT THE RESULT will be BAD.
Using a program converting from PAL to NTSC is far more better eg JES_Deinterlacer.
*PAL to NTSC*
A. Conversion of commersial DVDs - No Not at all - Not even legal to discuss.
B. Home made DVDs (without copy protection)
NTSC ---> PAL.
• Most often not necessary - Most stand alone PAL-DVD players playback NTSC
(if TV is old in BL/W)
PAL ---> NTSC.
• If played on Mac - not necessary AT ALL
• If on NTSC-DVD-player - CONVERSION IS NEEDED - nearly no Stand alone NTSC-DVD-players
playback PAL at all.
To do this You need to conver the PAL DVD to streaming.DV
• I use Roxio Toast™ to do this (There are no free converter)
• JES_Deinterlacer (free on internet) to convert to NTSC
• Set up an NTSC project (29.97fps or 30) in iDVD and import then burn
I burn to
• Verbatim DVD-R
• Set down burn speed in iDVD to x1 or x4 recommended by many
• Secure a minimum of 25Gb free space on internal boot hard disk before burning (IMPORTANT)
PAL is 25 fps and an analog TV standard of 625 lines
NTSC is 29.97 fps and 520 lines
NTSC (29.97fps) 520 lines - about640x480 pixles (square) 720x480 rectangular (narrow) pixels
PAL (25 fps) 625 lines - about768x576 pixles (square) 720x576 rectangular (narrow) pixels
to use a photo 702x480 resp 576 then add 9pixles on each side to add togheter as 720
Yours Bengt W

DVD burn for a French Mother-in-Law: NTSC or PAL?

Hi All,
I've just finished a DVD slideshow of my recent wedding to send to my Mother-in-Law in france. Should I burn it using NTSC or PAL format?
I remember there's a problem of watching videos taped in France in the UK...
Many Thanks
Paul

sorry Sue to correct you (you're reading the wrong books <<THAT was a joke! only Sue understands....)...
don't mix two things:
video standards and region codes....
Europe is rc2 and PAL (...well, France is SECAM... but for DVD it is... PAL)
so, iDVD creates rc0 (=playable everywhere), BUT you shouldn't use it for video-conversion... luckyly, our European DVDstandalones accept NTSC DVDs and most Tellys are able to show the content..... (not vice versa with US/NTSC land)
Spud, you haven't told us what video standard you did the recording...? (huuu, this is an international board.... , world's a little larger then... letssay Illinois... )
if NTSC- stay NTSC and wait for mother's commends...
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Making a NTSC and PAL DVD

Hello and thank you for taking the time to read my question.
The question I have is, I have made a DVD in the Video Standard NTSC( in the preference menu) now I am wondering if I can use the same project to burn both NTSC and PAL DVD formats or if I have to re-create the whole thing in the
PAL format in order to get a PAL formated DVD?
Thanks again for helping.

Hello PettMac,
you can change the project's standard by choosing Project > Project Info from the menu. On the right side of the pop-up window you'll find the drop-down menu for the TV standard.
That said, the standard conversion done in iDVD is not too bad, but JES Deinterlacer does a much better job. In order to convert with JESD, you'll need your original iMovie project: ctrl-click the project file and choose Show Package Contents from the drop-down menu, then navigate to the Shared Movies folder to find your reference movie. Drop that into JESD, it will create the PAL movie in the same folder (as reference movie) and you can simply replace the original movie in your iDVD project with the new one. Don't forget to change the TV standard....
hope this helps
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Follow up from Real Pro thread - NTSC and PAL and AVCHD and FCE

Interesting topic line but can I just check one thing out from PAL land.
With an HD/AVCHD camera it is not recording in either PAL or NTSC as this is a analogue mode - so the issue issue of format is only relevant if i playback on a analogue TV. We have a digital tv so i record on AVCHD, deal in that format in FCE and burn to DVD (not sure in what format) play on DVD player through the digital TV.
If that is all correct then why do the manufacturers, in my case Canon HF10, talk about an NTSC and PAL version and then price differently - comparing the spec sheets from the Canon site I can see no difference. Am I missing something?

Hi Tom
The thing i was trying to establish was whether really there was a difference (other than price ) in the so called versions of the Canon HF10. The specs are exactly the same. My assumption is that as the cam records in AVCHD unless you intend to play back thro a PAL or NTSC TV (bearing in mind most European PAL sets play NTSC as well) it makes no odds which camera.
My plan- and this is what I need to check - is to record and import into FCE taking your advice not to record in the highest quality to save rendering on import. After editing can export through FCE to PAL or NTSC DVD version for playing on TV.
Does that sound right
PS I have found your book on FCE very helpful to date !!!!

Ntsc vs pal

pal vs ntsc
Posted: Oct 18, 2006 8:27 AM Reply Email
i got some footage of a wedding that was shot in ntsc format on vhs that was burnt do a dvd. i recorded the dvd onto my computer using final cutpro (dvd to cmaera to computer). I saved it as a quick time movie, now i want to burn into a pal format film so it can be shown in England. How can i do this with idvd.
I tried changing the prefernces to pal and i tried changing the video mode in the project info to pal but i get an message when i click burn that says TV standard conflict. i still go ahead to burn but it comes beack with an encoding error.
is there anyway i can change the format (ntsc to pal) using finalcut express

to playback your ntsc dvd (vhs for that matter) you need either
- a dvd player or vhs deck that does true ntsc playback plus a monitor or projector that handles true ntsc
or
- a dvd player or vhs deck that does "ntsc playback on pal" (i believe that's what it was called) with a regular tv. it's a rough scaling of the video-image and it drops a few frames here and there to compensate for the frame-rate difference. this is of course not as good as a proper conversion, but for home-viewing is more than good enough.
this last pont also explains what is the point of places offering proper conversion...
discs created in dvd sp usually are set to play in all regions - though can be made to play only in 1 region, you'll have to check this with the person who created the disc or by popping it into a different region player
hope this helps

NTSC and PAL

Under iDVD preferences and the Projects tab it asks a few things that I know nothing about:
1) Video Mode: NTSC or PAL. What are those and when would I use one over the other?
2) Encoding: Best Quality or Best Performance? Which is better to use and if I use Best Performance do I want to "Enable background encoding"?
Thanks. -Jeff

there are no NTSC DVDs, there are only DVDs that have 29.97fps, 720x480 MPEG-2 video to maximize video quality on an NTSC analog output
... and THAT makes them NTSC DVDs.
Jeff asked: ) Video Mode: NTSC or PAL. What are those and when would I use one over the other?. Jeff, the are video standards used in different places around the world. If all your DVDs are intended for use in the US, just select NTSC and don't worry about it.
PAL and NTSC are analog modulations
... that differ mostly in the way the chrominance signal is treated (besides the image size and frame rate).

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