NVidia APU v CM8738

Afternoon People,
I'm at work at the moment, which is why I'm asking a question that could easily be answered by me doing the thing in question. Anyway, that's by the by. Having moved to the K7N2 Delta-L from another board, I brought my soundcard with me, a Trust 5.1 Digital Pro, based on the C-Media CM8738 chip.
I know that I've got the NVidia APU on the Delta-L, I'm right in thinking only the ILSR has the Soundstorm, aren't I? Anyway, I'm not going to throw the Trust away (it has digital outputs that I like for my minidisc), but I was wondering what the APU is like? I know some APUs use up quite a lot of processing time . . . what about the NVidia? Would it be worth using it for games? I've got a feeling it is EAX2.0 compatible, whereas I think the Trust is only EAX1 compatible - what am I missing in the different type of EAX?
As you can all probably tell, I'm tremendously bored at work too. :p
Take it easy,
Richard

Thanks for the reply - I'd done some digging and realised the truth, and what a pointless thread I'd started. Thanks anyway
I'd be frightened of a viking warrior with a chainsaw too :p
Sorry about this thread - could a mod get rid of it for me?
Richard

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    Quote
    Originally posted by darkjedi
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    hello,
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