NVIDIA GTX 285 or FX 4800?

I'm using CS4 Premiere Pro. My camcorder uses AVCHD and I wanted to speed up the rendering and encoding of the video files. I have multiple monitors so I would need two of them. Would you rather go with two GTX 285 or two FX 4800 in SLI mode considering cost is no factor? I keep hearing that the GTX would work but NVIDIA says the FX would be way faster for H.264 and MPEG2. Sometimes it's hard to believe the manufacture since they are just trying to sell you the more expensive card. Is the FX card way faster for this type of work?

I have 4 monitors so that's why I wanted two video cards. Since I'll be running two I was thinking of going SLI for extra power only when doing video editing. I mainly work with 1080 high def files.
This is my setup.
Windows 7 Ultimate
i7 965
12GB memory
Two 120GB SSD RAID 0
Five 2TB WD HDs RAID 10
1000w PS
Blu-Ray burner

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the standard? really…?
Yes. Every consumer camcorder that we sell at my camera shop records to AVCHD. Every Blu Ray player sold at WalMart, Best Buy, Target, etc. etc. etc. etc. uses AVCHD. It's the standard. Period.
Apple needs to get with the times! Sorry, but it's the truth. I'm not denigrating Apple, but they are living in a false reality if they think that AVCHD/Blu Ray is not the standard now, or that it's just going to go away because they refuse to acknowledge it or incorporate it into their products.
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I just tried to connect a second 30 inch Cinema display to my early 2009 8-core MacPro with a Radeon 4870 card.
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I just tried to connect a second 30 inch Cinema display to my early 2009 8-core MacPro with a Radeon 4870 card.
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<http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB571Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MjkyNjI0Mg>
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Here is my question: Will I get better performance running one 30 inch from the Radeon, and the second from the NVIDIA?
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Can I even install both at the same time?
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