Nvidia or ATI

Hello,
Wich videocard is the best for video editing with premiere elements ?
What are the profits of a NVIDIA and what are the profits of an ATI card ?
What should I buy ?

What about this?
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/873/cpsid_87347.html
I find it entertaining that a TNT2 video card from the late nineties with 1/1000th the performance is supported, but not a mainstream ATI Radeon HD 5750?
I don't know if this is typical, but with my ATI Radeon HD 5700, applying filters and transitions results in awful performance -- basically I can't even click or preview video or anything.
Now, rendering the final version is definitely fast.

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Hi Wes,
they are both recommended by Apple.
Inevitably we (us, forum members) tend to base our answers on what we have experience with and/or prefer most.
In my experience over the last few years I have been pleased with both Nvidia and ATI cards with all my computers, however, the ATI card on my MacPro (see my profile) has been particularly powerful and consistent and I could notice some remarkable performance.
Ati and Apple have been sharing a rather good business relationship so far and I would imagine that the former' technical support is particularly aware of the latter's machines and systems "engines".
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Until recently, I was operating fine with a Radeon HD 5750 on dual monitors. I wanted to add and utilize a third monitor (had some trouble with the DisplayPort output), so I just stuck in an off the shelf nVidia 8400 card.
With the latest drivers on both, and both using OpenGL 3.2, CS5 seems to just freak out. (The issue seems to be OpenGL centric.)
Photoshop x86 just crashes while loading.
Photoshop x64 will load, but it immediately reports that my cards do not support OpenGL acceleration and disables it. It otherwise seems to work fine.
After Effects will sort of run, but some strange things crash while it's loading (like gpu_sniffer.exe). It crashes all the time during RAM previews, now, and the option to accelerate the GUI (or previews) with OpenGL is disabled. So, while it's use-able, it's slow.
Premiere Pro absolutely refuses to start. I cannot even get a splash screen.
(The other apps I do not use much.)
I've gone back to dual monitor for now on the Radeon card (problems resolved with disabling the nVidia card), but do the CS5 apps really have that much trouble with two video cards with different chipsets? Is there something I am forgetting to do? I am not asking any of the apps to utilize the third monitor, so I cannot fathom what the issue is. Again, the OpenGL version is the same on both cards...and both cards have the latest drivers (both from November).
I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction or let me know what I should do to enable the nVidia card to peacefully co-exist and still be able to use OpenGL with the CS5 apps.
Thanks for your help.
Machine specs:
* P43-based ASUS motherboard
* Intel Core2Quad (each core at 2.8Ghz)
* Windows 7 Professional (64-bit)
* 16 GB DDR3 RAM
* ATI Radeon HD 5750 (1GB)
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It's not that the apps don't support mixed cards - but that the OpenGL drivers for the cards do not work well together.
Even mixing different models of cards from the same vendor can run into problems when using OpenGL.
Some apps have made mixed cards work - by using one GPU and completely ignoring the rest.
We've talked to the GPU vendors to see about improving the situation, but, well, they're competitors.

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2) Is there any way to cure screen tearing with an nvidia card and compositing enabled?
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ATI Radeon 4670 user here, KDE w/ Arch Linux. While I can't speak for other video cards, this particular card runs absolutely fine using xf86-video-ati and some xorg.conf tweaks. Though I don't play many games, I can tell you Alice runs fine via WINE. As far as OpenGL goes, the screen savers that are supposedly OpenGL work fine, too.
The only performance difference between this card and the 7600GS I was using beforehand that I can tell (minus the speed improvement) is being forced to view videos using the Xvideo driver in KMPlayer. If I view said videos via OpenGL, they display, however widgets on the desktop tend to offer display glitches while the video is ongoing.
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place for this issue.
i'm debugging a problem system, a first gen mac pro, that has a 7300gt
in it. i also have a second gen mac pro that has no problems. i've
made many changes to the problem system and am coming down to my last
couple of options, one of which is swapping graphics cards. the problem
system is running an nvidia card, the problem-free box is running an ati
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Trial and error, creative troubleshooting.
Take that one 4-drive RAID across two channels. What happens if all four are on the same channel? what if the firmware - there is firmware for the case, right?
Does Norco offer replacement PSUs?
Convert the Apple RAID to SoftRAID (I'd do that regardless anyway).
http://www.softraid.com
AND, their support people have helped me with multiple problems, even to help pin-point the er, "culprit" even when it was controller or drive (one vendor blamed Maxtor Atlas drive, then blamed Apple, we came out though showing it was their firmware on their controller card, and a new firmware was released 3 months later - it took me and SoftRAID weeks to nail it.
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Do I go NVIDIA or ATI

I want to get the most out of the picture on my 30" HD Cinema Display. Which card do I go with to achieve 1080i???

right... so you have two choices...
the default NVidia GeForce 7300 GT, or for an additional $249, the ATI X1900XT.
if you need 3D processing power or run applications that specifically take advantage of video processing... then the ATI X1900XT is undoubtedly a better card. the performance advantage is significantly better... by a couple of factors, not just a little bit. however, if you are not running these types of applications or playing games, it is a situation where more hardware performance does not really help when you are not using it... i.e. when running mail, safari, or office applications, you will not see a benefit from having better graphics hardware.
like i mentioned before, the AVIVO processing is a bit better than the NVidia purevideo processing. these tests were done on a PC, so not sure if those tests are still relevant on a Mac, but I imagine they would be. these performance advantages are very subtle, and you will notice them if watching very carefully for them on motion graphics where one would be able to see "tearing" on material that is difficult to perform "reverse pulldown" and deinterlacing on video / HD video material only.... something to consider if you are a videophile.
regardless, the card is such an inexpensive upgrade, that I would recommend that ATI if you aren't sure that you might not need it in the future and can afford it.
if you can't afford the upgrade and know for sure you are only going to surf the web, run an office app here or there, but never run higher powered applications or games, and could care less about the slight video quality increase with the ATI, then you are quite safe with the NVideo GeForece 7300 GT as it is a very good low powered card, good for the tyipcal user.
by the way, don't consider the NVidia Quadro card. you don't need it. if you do need it, you are a graphics professional and know exactly why and can ignore my advice, even though it is so confidently stated. most people will be better off with the significantly cheaper ATI, except for those very few that really do need the workstation class card, and even that is debatable from a cost/benefit analysis.

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BRAND NEW
I saw this item on eBay, and it looks like a good deal, but elsewhere on this forum someone said the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro was preferred for the Mirror Drive Door model.
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The Radeon 9800 Pro is a card that supports Core Image, and does so with ease.
For applications, Quartz Extreme is a given, but Open GL is also of concern. The Radeon 9800 Pro scores higher in Open GL benchmarks than the Geforce4 Ti.
As for 3D, shaders are of importance. The Radeon cards often offer better shader support than the Geforce cards. This is true when comparing the Geforce4 Ti and the Radeon 9800 Pro.
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Not to be overlooked, but the amount of VRAM is not as important as the GPU clock speed, and the memory (VRAM) speed. The Geforce4 Ti has a GPU of 300mhz, and DDR VRAM at 325mhz (effective 650mhz).
The Radeon 9800 Pro has a GPU clocked at 378mhz, and DDR VRAM clocked at 337.5mhz (effective 675mhz).
Again, the Radeon 9800 Pro is superior in architecture.
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Hi everybody,
I am on the verge of upgrading my graphics cad in my 1st gen 2.66 GHz MacPro 1.1 (2006). When I use EyeTV the video often stutteres or stays on a still frame but the sound continues. I am thinking that maybe the original graphics card either can't handle it anymore or it's dying. I want to get into HD video editing and I think I will need a better graphics card.
I am hesitating between these two models:
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I have not yet upgraded to Snow Leopard but will be forced to if I go for the Radeon.
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Firmware is wrong for us, EFI32 isn't supported. ATI has used a different method and supports both EFI32 and EFI64.
GT120 is as underpowered - but okay for 2D - as a card can get. Notice that it is still sold but nothing newer, now it is all ATI it seems.
I would say 10.5.6 which came on DVD and last such, or 10.5.8, and while there were some apps and driver issues that kept some on 10.4.10, again, surprised you didn't upgrade that.
The GTX 285 was iffy and 10.5.7+ but only for 2008 or later, which was the first model to have EFI64.

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Adobe is the biggest media encoding market with AME, yet it doesn't support quick sync yet? wtf. Adobe gives very little detail as to what it actually does support, like does it use CUDA or Stream to speed up H.264 rendering or is it just using the GPU for other not very often used speedups rather than the rendering which is what we all want sped up?
When will AME support quicksync and what does AME currently support for rendering speeds via CUDA and Stream?

> Adobe gives very little detail as to what it actually does support,
like does it use CUDA or Stream to speed up H.264 rendering or is it
just using the GPU for other not very often used speedups rather than
the rendering which is what we all want sped up?
See this thread for details. If you have questions about what is processed using CUDA, ask on that thread.
Encoding and decoding are not processed using CUDA.

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This is real?
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Based on the position of economy, but the desire performance ))

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