Offset Path doesn't create a separate path
Mac CS6
Seems like my Illustrator is bugging out. When I apply offset path to the compound object Illustrator doesn't create a separate path for me, but both the offset and original somehow bundle together:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xiu3xqcictx0ku0/Offset_problem_1.png
I'm trying to create an effect like this tutorial on youtube. But since offset path doesn't create a separate path, I can't duplicate the same effect.
Any clue on how to fix this would be appreciated.
Did you use the Object>Path method or Effects>Path method? Here's the difference
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Way to Offset Path that doesn't suck, please
The current Offset Path method is laborious.
Can't we get a dynamic way to offset path instead of entering a number in a dialog box?
I can't speak for everyone but I simply can't imagine what effect .015 would have on offsetting a path.
I wouldn't even complain if you added it with yet another tool.
Seems there are a ton of other features which could benefit from this as well, such as rounded corners.
Half the time I use Illustrator I hate and despise it because of stuff like this.The current Offset Path method is laborious.
Can't we get a dynamic way to offset path instead of entering a number in a dialog box?
I can't speak for everyone but I simply can't imagine what effect .015 would have on offsetting a path.
I wouldn't even complain if you added it with yet another tool.
Seems there are a ton of other features which could benefit from this as well, such as rounded corners.
Half the time I use Illustrator I hate and despise it because of stuff like this. -
How can I delete the image outside of this offset path?
I'm really new to Illustrator, and I'm trying to print an image that will have a CutContour swatch around it, with a bleed outside of the CutContour line. You'll see that I set up the bleed by creating an offset path outside of the CutContour path. However, I would like to delete the rest of the image outside of that, but I'm not sure how to do this. I don't want to print the entire block of the photograph, just the image inside the tracing, leaving the outside white. I thought I could select the offset path and make a Clipping Mask from that but it says it's "too complex" or doesn't do anything at all. I've attached an example since it will probably make more sense to have something to look at in addition to my explanation...
If there are a lot of points in the path you are trying to use as a clipping mask, you could try;
Object > Path > Simplify
Turn on preview, and play with the settings while watching the shape and number of points.
--OB -
Separating strokes & offset paths from text?
I need to outline large titles to be output to a large format inkjet printer with a contour cut on a CNC router. I often need to create strokes then convert them to outlines or sometimes create offset paths so that I can use that layer as a through cut (contour guide/line). Sometimes it involves having a clipped image that is outlined and with an offset path for the cut line which may lie in the middle of the stroke/outline. So there could be several lines around an image. I need to separate all of these lines from each other so that I can put them on their own layers for production purposes. I would also need to separate the outlined stroke if I am clipping an image into the main text. Otherwise the image will clip out to the edge of the stroke. If I can separate all of this I can work much easier in layers. Is there a way to easily separate or disassociate each line from one another? I've tried the release compound paths groups etc. None of these seem to be effective. I have to go through a lot of steps and time to manually do these tasks.
It was suggested that I provide an example to illustrate my question. So here it is. LINK: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7gqfn3
Old habits die hard. Over the past 20+ years I have worked extensively with vector art. Much of it in app called Flexisign. Which has/had great features for working with vectors. This was before layers ever existed. So some of my thinking is still locked into old ways of working with a single layer. But what I liked about it was that I could easily separate, either by ungrouping or un-compounding, do what I needed to do then re-compound etc. Outlines, offset paths, were never locked or permanently attached to another component. Every path created was an actual hard vector line that I could easily manipulate. Strokes did not even exist so they were made with outlines, inlines, etc. In the illustration attached, I could have done all of this in seconds on one layer. Although I could move things forward or backwards and lock colors individually (precursor to layers I guess). I would start with the text and do multiple strokes or outlines as needed then separate them and group or compound as needed. I'm finding it difficult to separate some paths onto it's own so that I can eliminate or alter various paths.
Once I figured out how I could do it Illustrator, it does not appear that complex at all. But it takes a lot more steps than I am accustomed to. And I have to think in terms of layers more often to solve some of these issues. But as you'll see at the end, I still wish I could simply create a path separate it from the the rest of the artwork. I'm thinking that the Offset Path tool would be idea for making my cut line except that I cannot separate it.
Anyway, I created a sample of what I was trying to do. These are the steps I used to make my project. I have not had a chance yet to try out some of the suggestions, but I can see already that they use techniques I have never tried and in some cases even heard of. But wow, I am amazed at the help and suggestions. Thank you all. -
Offset path Tool versus Object menu and Effect menu
After a strugle with the ofset path tool I find the solution...
Offset Path in the effects menu acts totally different thean ofset Path in the Object menu WHY?
What happened;
Offset path in the effects menu gives you a centerline with offset path which isn't modifiable..
for in stance in my kind of work i want to create a paralell road on one side of the main road.
the offset path in object menu gives me the right result, an offseth path which I can cut and modify.
It should have been easier if the different behavior was in an offset Path tool menu...Offset Path in the effects menu acts totally different thean ofset Path in the Object menu WHY?
Because the command in the Object menu is a straightforward path-modifying command. You select something, apply the command, and the result is a new path.
Everything in the Effect menu is, in Illustrator parlance, rendered as a "live" effect. That is, the program creates the modified version sort of "behind the scenes." That lets you continue to modify the original path, and the Effects that you have applied automatically re-apply on-the-fly. So instead of Offset Path giving you an new path that you can no longer manipulate as if it is one stroked path, Effect>Path>Offset Path lets you continue to work with the single path without having to start over every time you want to change it.
An Effect can be "nailed down" to "literal" new objects by using an Expand command.
Offset path in the effects menu gives you a centerline with offset path which isn't modifiable..
The offset path is "modifiable" in that you can change the attributes of the Effect any time you want. The offset path is also "modifiable" in that you can re-shape the path to which the effect is applied, and the offset path updates automatically. That's a good thing.
for in stance in my kind of work i want to create a paralell road on one side of the main road.
So when you're done manipulating the orginal path, and you now want to "nail down" the offset path as a separate path that you can modify, select Object>Expand Appearance.
the offset path in object menu gives me the right result, an offseth path which I can cut and modify.
Yes. But it's frankly rather lame. That is, if you now need to bend the whole road in another direction, or alter one of its curves, how are you going to do that for both sides of the road at the same time? With Offset Path applied as a live effect, you can. With Offset Path already Expanded, or applied as the older...uh...dead...command, you can't.
So it's your choice. The interface is needlessly awkward and confused, because when Adobe adds new features it seldom does a good job of integrating them with the existing features. So you end upon with both the older and newer features which essentially do the same thing. That's the nature of Illustrator--it becomes increasingly inelegant, cluttered, and confused over time.
One example to the contrary: CS4 finally did away with the separate Filters menu, which was just the old, "literal" versions of most things in the later "live" Effects menu (all of which can be turned into "literal" versions by an Expand command). It was hideously confusing for newcomers to Illustrator to see the same things listed in two menus, one labeled "Filters" and the other labeled "Effects." On the face of it, what's the difference between a "filter" and an "effect" in most people's minds?
One case-in-point example: The Effects menu has a list of Pathfinder Effects that mirror the names of the command that reside in the Pathfinder Panel. But they do different things; they are meant to be applied to different kinds of objects.
Such is the nature of Illustrator. It's a hodge-podge, grab-bag collection of scattered features which are often redundant and often poorly integrated with each other.
It should have been easier if the different behavior was in an offset Path tool menu...NO! The last thing this program needs is more off-the-cuff, willy-nilly, ad-hoc palettes. It needs a thorough interface overhaul, with a dedicated and careful eye toward concise elegance and organizational efficiency. That would be a very ambitious undertaking because the program has been allowed to become such a rat's nest of disarray.
JET -
Offset Path Of A Random Shape?
How do I offset the path of a random shape (for example the outline of a guitar) without having it automatically inset the path as well? Is there an easier way to delete the segments of path I don't want than double clicking continuously with the white arrow?
If you're dealing with a "shape" that's actually made up of a bunch of separate bits of open path, there are a couple of things that might work.
First, and easiest, if it works, is the "join reasonable" script located here: http://park12.wakwak.com/~shp/lc/et/en_aics_script.html which will attempt to join the ponts that are close to each other...
(help installing scripts here: http://www.illustratorhints.com/2010/02/how-to-install-scripts/)
Select your "shape" - all it's parts... and run that script to join them all into one, at which point, offset path should behave as you expect it to.
Second, if that script doesn't catch them all, is to "add arrowheads" to show you where the breaks are in your shape. Use the white arrow to select, Object->Path->Join each of them.
Third, if all else fails, offset each path as little as you can while still causing them to overlap. With the offset paths all selected, pathfinder->Unite them. Rt-click on it, release compound path. Delete the inner one, and offset the outer one the amount you were initally looking for. Needless to say, this is the least precise option as the path will be altered slightly by the initial offset, possibly giving you greif at the joins. -
Offset path has a math error at 4 decimal places
I have Illustrator CC 2014 running in Mac OS X 10.9.3, and discovered tonight while making a test pattern that if I do an offset path of -0.0005" it doesn't calculate the size of the resulting objects correctly. If I do +0.0005" it works fine, if I do -0.0015" it works fine. I obviously haven't tested exhaustively, but there is definitely a reproducible error there. It's not even off consistently in the width and height. The sizes listed refer to the size of the individual squares in the 4x4 grid of filled rectangles.
The black squares are what I'm building. So I didn't have to go one by one and apply offset path, I did three across and then noted that the next row above would be .003 difference, so I could apply a .0015 offset to all items in the row and move it up, then repeat. This works well for a while, but then it starts to get off. It doesn't appear to be cumulative which was my fear. The black squares I checked each one and redid them if they didn't come out right. The blue ones I just did an offset from the previous row. At .015 it should be .065x.065 and they are .065x.0649. That's the behavior I normally see, not a big deal. In that group, all 16 squares were the same, but in the .018 group above it, the first two rows of 4 were .062x.0619 while the 3rd row of 4 were all .062x.062 and then the top row were off again. By the top, the ones that are off are still only off by .0001 when they are off. So that implies that this is at least a rendering thing, it thinks the squares are what they are supposed to be when it applies future offsets.
I'm not sure if my original example is the same though. That was off by .001 in one direction and .0005 in the other which is 5-10X more than these. These are the issue I've always seen that at 1/10,000th of an inch are tiny differences and not really important for what we do. The one I started this thread about is much bigger and a definite problem. I'll post my latest test on that separately. -
How do I thin a font in CS6? I tried a negative number in offset path and it didn't work.
Hi!
first time here. I posted this question in community guidelines by mistake, oops.
Any help would be appreciated!
I tried this with outlining the font and also without. The negative number in offset path doesn't thin, however if I do a preview and put in a positive number it does add onto the width of the font.
Thanks,
maryannI am going to share with you the secret to using type with appearance. After setting type change the fill to none(characheter level), then add a fill(type level). This way you do nto have 2 fills fighting with each other.
Below I did not follow my advice to better explain what is happening, but I chose a different color fill. Even though I only have one fill, there is a black stroke coming from the character level.
To salvage your existing type, double click so you select all the type with the |-Beam, your appearance palette will now say characters, and delete that fill.
When you oultined your fonts, most likley the same thing happened, but a battle battle between the path and group level. -
Offset Path Leaving Undesired Result
CS5
Mac
The logo you see at the top picture has been made a compound path, this is how the logo normally looks. The bottom logo, is a duplicate of the top with the offset path applied. I am essentially wanting to add a silver shine around the edges by adding 1 px borders using the offset path method, using the stroke option leaves it a little funky so this is why I opted for this method.
Once I use the offset path on my logo it comes out as a big black object instead of keeping the grunge detail, how do I fix this. Joins is Miter, and limit is 4. Let me know any info you need to help understand the problem more
ThanksThe problem with a stroke is that I need to add gradients to each stroke, after I expand the stroke I need to run one fluid gradient across all of the strokes, as if the strokes were all grouped together, but AI wont let me group inside of groups, when I try to group the different strokes this is what It tells me.
Walk me through it from this point:
-I lay my grunge texture over the logo
-opacity mask the grunge and logo
-make logo compound path
Where would I need to insert steps in my creative process to achieve what I'm looking for? Do I simply need to create my "metal shine" effect around the edges before I make the opacity mask with the grunge texture? Or is there another more simple way to do this
Michael -
Offset Path in AI CS4 added overlaping unnecessary anchor points.
Offset Path tool in AI CS4 offen added some unnecessary anchor points, these points were hard to find because they were overlaping. But when these path were used to blend, faulty effect come. I must remove them manually. It never happened in AI CS2.
> You could use a script to find and remove these points (JET?).
A script could search for and remove
coincident points. But in my experience with the problem in CS3, the abberant results of Outline Stroke, Offset Path, etc., are not consistent enough to reliably correct with a script. In some situations, the redundant points do not have identical handles. How would a script know the right handles to retain? In other situations, entirely extra trash paths are created (as when outlining strokes of dashed paths--the supposed justification for the whole train wreck in the first place). How is a script supposed to know which paths are correct?
A proper script solution would be to replace the offset path feature altogether. But that would be a pretty ambitious undertaking.
No, the dang thing just needs to be fixed. Others (assumed to be beta testers) have reported that it was fixed in CS4. If artilu is correct here, that is not the case.
Adobe's history has not been good re fixing such bugs during the lifecycle of a major version.
JET -
Using Illustrator CC (18.1.1 64bit)
When I create any object the object size is indicated in two editable boxes in the "Shape" section along the top bar (if you stretch out the Illustrator program window it will appear alongside the alignment buttons and the X/Y position boxes). The size of the object is for example, 200 x 100mm.
If you then use Object > Path > Offset Path and do say 5mm, the boxes should read as 190mm then 90mm. However it says 90mm then 190mm. It has now switched the dimensions around. When you edit them by say changing the 90 to 80mm (which is shown in the with dimension box), it changes the height of the object but remains written in the width dimension box.
There is clearly a bug here, however in the W: and H: boxes (to the right of the X: and Y: boxes, it is shown correctly.
So this problem is only apparent with the Shape section of the top command bar. It only seems to occur with the offset path command.My plotter won't be happy with that solution when he starts cutting vinyl...
But for designing no problem.
In response to this I think the answer is to update Doug gave the answer to the problem. This is not the first time this has been posted and the answer I gave originally way back when CS 3 was release was to make an action or write a script.
But since CS4 fixes the problem the better solution is to upgrade and there are other benefits by upgrading to CS 4 as well.
So as far as i can see Doug still has the answer and they should mark it answered ok they don't like that answer then let them make your answer as the right way to go but it has been answered. One way or the other.
But I do think you guys will be happier with CS 4. Even though you have to pay for the upgrade.
Glad to be a hoot! -
Hi all.
I'm trying to create a tree in Illustrator CS4, and I'm using single paths to do this. I then offset the path to create the branches.
What I'm wondering is how I can taper the branch via offset path. So the start point is large and the end point is smaller.
Thanks for your help!You could use an art brush in the form of a triangle. The "Set of floral brushes" in the brush libraries gives you an impressions of how brushes could look like. To create one yourself, draw a triangle with the polygon tool and drag it into the brushes palette.
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Offset Paths in Actions problem...
Hi guys!
I work in the printing industry and am trying to create an action that would automatically create a trap and pullback for a certain item. The action has been created and works well except for one thing.
When I record the step where I offset a path by a negative amount (in this case -.0035), the action will work every time UNTIL I quit Illustrator and reopen. It will instead offset that path by positive .0035. I checked the action steps in TextEditor and it registers that I want it offset -.0035, but the step inside the Actions panel says .0035.
The total action is to change the color from MYK to K set to darken, then offset -.0035. Then, it's to change that offset path from K to MY and then offset again to -.0065. That offset path is changed from MY back to MYK and set to normal. So I basically end up with 3 layers of the object each set to a different color and smaller than the previous.The entire action script is posted below.
Has anyone else experienced this? I'm a novice when it comes to creating actions so please feel free to let me know if I've missed a step or done something wrong. Thanks so much!
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/value 0Hi Sudheer,
I think I am using the same method. the follwing seeting have been maintained for that action.
Form name - SCMG_SMART_FORM_CASE
Processing Class - CL_SAMPLE_PROCESSING_CLASS_PPF
Processing Method - COPY_1_OF_EXEC_SMART_FORM
Archive Mode - 1 Mail Only.
Still the problem exist.
Please help me resolve this issue.
Best regards,
Raghu ram -
Hello
How can I create a path with an offset/ adjusted path witch is not centered?
eg: From top to bottom: 1 pt Black, 3 pt white, 2 pt white. See also attached image.
I tried it with the appearance attributes and the offset path tool, but didn't get the needed result. Surely its possible to copy the path and adjust it, but that wouldnt work for curved paths.
Thanks for any solution!To make the ArtBrush result in a "thicker outline" on one side of the path, and a "thinner outline" on the other side, you don't have to do all that rigamarole. Just offset the alignment box of the Brush:
1. Line Tool: ShiftDrag a short horizontal line. Apply a stroke weight equal to the total desired width of both your "outlines" (ex: 12 pt.).
2. Drag and drop it into the Brushes palette. Define an ArtBrush.
3. Drag the ArtBrush out of the Brush palette and drop it onto the page. The Brush is a Group. The rearmost object in that Group is a no-fill, no-stroke rectangle. That rectangle determines how the visible content of the Brush is positioned relative to the center of the path(s) to which it is applied.
4. White pointer: Marquee select around just the bottom edge of the black stroke. This will select the bottom two anchorPoints of the invisible rectangle. Tap the down arrow key to nudge the selected anchors downward a bit.
5. Deselect. Black pointer: Drag the modified Group and AltDrop it back onto the Brush in the BrushesPalette. The content of the Brush will be updated.
To use the Brush to create the thick/thin "outlines":
1. Draw a path. Apply a normal stroke (ex: 6 pt. yellow). Leave the path selected.
2. Appearance Palette: Add New Stroke. Apply the ArtBrush to the new stroke. Drag its listing to below that of the normal stroke.
To address the issue of the unwanted "stacking" where paths cross or where open paths form a "T" intersection:
1. Layers palette. Create a new Layer which will be dedicated to all the paths to which you want the thick/thin outline treatment.
2. Draw a few paths with normal strokes on that layer. Make some of the cross. Make some of them form "T" intersections. Deselect.
3. Layers palette: Click the "meatball" to target the new Layer.
4. Appearance Palette: Add New Stroke. Apply the thick/thin ArtBrush to the new Sroke. Drag its listing to below the Contents listing.
Understand, whether applied at the Paths level, Group level, or Layer level, an ArtBrush is going to have trouble with CornerPoints, due to the mitering problem. You can ameliorate this somewhat by using round Endcaps and Joins on the path that is contained in the Brush.
JET -
Negative (to inline a letter or to thin it) offset path does not work in Illus-CC 2014 (when preview is on- nothing happens). How can I get this to work like in previous versions.
Thanks for your quick reply. I tried a number of different values. Usually when I do a negative offset they're very small values, like -.25 or -.5.
An Update- I took the art work into Ai CS 6 and It still did not work, which is really strange. And I've used it hundreds of times with success in the past. Also I tried it with live type and outlines, ungrouped, un-compounded still could not get it to negative offset.
Thanks for the help.
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