Old photos not marked as duplicates, constantly imported

I'm using photos on iCloud, linking two Macs, an iPhone and an iPad. As such, all photos show up on all devices, but aren't downloaded to them all: I use one of the macs as the "master" photo repository.
However, when I look at a certain group of old photos on the iPad or iPhone - all taken in approximately 2002 with one old digital camera - they are downloaded to the iDevice and then treated by Photos as "new" whenever I connect the iDevice to the mac for syncing. If I import them I end up with multiple copies of the photos in my libraries, and even then they are once again marked as new and ready for importing from the iDevice. For some reason the various programs are not marking these photos as duplicates, even though they are.
What this means is that around 250 of my old photos are constantly showing up as new photos. I've imported them and deleted the imported photos, but they still show up in the Mac Photos application as new photos - no matter what I do.
My guess is that there is something about the metadata or file type of these old photos that means that the Photos app can't realise that these are duplicates of ones already in the library. Anyone else experienced this and found a solution?

Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
Option 1
Back Up and try rebuild the library: hold down the apple and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. Use the resulting dialogue to rebuild. Choose to Rebuild iPhoto Library Database from automatic backup.
If that fails:
Option 2
Download iPhoto Library Manager and use its rebuild function. This will create a new library based on data in the albumdata.xml file. Not everything will be brought over - no slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your albums and keywords, faces and places back.
Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results you can simply return to your old one.
Regards
TD

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Optimized: Use for larger prints and for publishing photos to websites for others to download and print. With this setting, photos are slightly compressed to a smaller file size so that they download faster without compromising quality.
Actual Size/Full Size: Use to make high-quality prints in small to large sizes, or to upload photos to websites so that others can download and print them. This setting matches the actual size of your photo, so it may take longer to upload or download.
Specify your other options:Include checkboxes: If you choose JPEG or TIFF from the Kind pop-up menu, you can include titles, keywords, and location information with the exported photos by selecting the checkboxes.File Name: Choose whether to export photos in sequence, or by their filenames, iPhoto titles, or album name.Prefix for sequential: If you choose Sequential from the File Name pop-up menu, you can specify text to appear before each number (for example, Birthday01, Birthday02, and so on). This step is optional.
Click Export.
Choose where to save the exported photo files, and then click OK.
Then when they are all exported you can Create a New Event from the photos in each album to group them all together in Events, so that when you delete the new event with all the photos in the album in it, they will be deleted from the library. Here is the article for that named iPhoto '11: Create a new Event found here: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH2364.
You also have the option to iPhoto '11: Move your iPhoto library to a new location if you just want to move the entire library to the external drive and use the library from the drive directly: http://support.apple.com/kb/PH2506
Cheers,
Sterling

How do I get the I photo not to duplicate photos or to cancel ll duplicates photos

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iPhoto does not duplicate photos ever - you may import duplicate photos if you choose - if you do not want to make sure the check box next to hide previously imported photos is checked and be careful not to import multiple copies of photos
to filter out duplicates use duplicate annihalitor - http://brattoo.com/propaganda/
LN

Lightroom 5.5 - still not recognizing duplicates on import

With so many people complaining about this issue, I can't believe that it hasn't been addressed in any version 5 update yet. Version 4 did not exhibit this problem.
Scenario:
Insert SD card containing many previously imported images and a few new ones.
Lightroom recognizes card and automatically switches to import
When configured to show new photos and with “Don’t import suspected duplicates” checked, many, many previously imported images on the card are shown in the import panel.
Wait a while for Lightroom to hopefully prune the set of duplicates.....nope.
Cancel the import, and without removing the SD card, re-initiate the import.
Magically, Lightroom does much better, but might still not recognize some duplicates.
Cancel the import, and without removing the SD card, re-initiate the import.
Usually, all duplicates have been recognized and just new photos are shown.
It seem the longer the card is left in slot (built-in reader in the iMac), the more likely it is that Lightroom will recognize duplicates. I'd welcome any advice on how to get my Lightroom 4 behavior back.

I'm having the same problem with LR 5.6. There seems to be no consistency as to when the issue occurs. It doesn't depend on if I removed images from the catalog on a previous culling session or not. Example: I recently imported 1166 images of a sporting event. I deleted a few hundred images from the catalog and from the external drive that the images were copied to during the import. When I went to check the contents of that CF card by using the import function of LR, all the images showed up as not having been imported, even though "Don't import suspected duplicates" was checked. I would have expected to see a few hundred to show up as not having been imported (those previously deleted from the catalog and external drive) but not all of them which includes the ones I saved in the catalog and on the external hard drive. Another CF card had several hundred images (all JPGs) of a different sporting event. They had all been imported into LR. None had been removed from the catalog or from the copy-to external hard drive. The next day they all showed as not having been imported despite "Don't import suspected duplicates" being checked.
Until now, I hadn't realized that this was a chronic problem with the recent versions of LR.
Thanks for any help anyone has to offer.
Regards,
Andy

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Why does not Lightroom allow me to import RAW files from my Canon 5D Mark III?
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Which version of Lightroom?
As Hal points out, if it's pre v 4.1, you can't expect an old version of the software to know what to do with a camera that didn't even exist when the software was released.
Given how many times a day this same issue comes up, maybe it's time Adobe changed the error message to something like "your camera is too old to be supported by this version of Lightroom. Please upgrade" or similar...

When importing my photos from iPhone i see all my photos as duplicates before importing

while trying to import my photos from my iPhone6 to macbook pro using iPhoto i see my pictures as duplicates before importing this the first time i get this problem

gail from maine wrote:
Hey Larry,
I have noticed this when I import my photos as well. But I was thinking that for me, maybe it is because I also import my Photo Stream automatically, so when I'm importing my camera roll, they might have already been imported automatically from the Photo Stream?
Is that why I would be getting the duplicates when I import?
Thanks,
GB
Different problem - OP sees duplicates in the import window - you are importing twice (once automatically form PhotoStream and a second time by connecting the camera) - importing a photo twice will always give you two copies - do one or the other - not both
LN

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