Older dual processor 2 gig OS 10.4.11 and eratic fan behaveior

In the last day or two my Mac's fan has been kicking in and out in an erratic behavior. Now it's fine. But at least it's starting to do this a few times a day. My CPU temp goes as high as 163 F

Like some people shouldn't cook!
LOL, used to be if you couldn't do anything else in the Service, they'd make you a Cook or an Officer!
Most recommend taking it outside, and for my money, (maybe $1,000 worth of canned Air), a $69 Air Compressor from an auto supply store did far more, don't use a Vacuum.
Limitless 100 PSI air will do more than than the 5.4 Billion cans of whimpy canned air could ever do!

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Best dual processor G4???

Howdy all...
I'm looking to buy a used G4, and I'm wondering which variation(s) to look for, or if there are any to avoid.
I'm upgrading on a budget, from a Biege 333mhz G3MT. I'll be photo processing in Photoshop, doing graphic work in Illustrator, and all the usual e-mail/web stuff too. I see a number of ebay auctions that look reasonable...but I'm not to familiar with the G4 models. I'd love to snag a new G5...but the budget says no way.
Thanks for any advice.
Kenn
Biege 333mh G3 MT, PB3400 Mac OS 9.1.x

The Adobe products are fine with Panther. That is what I use.
For quite a while in 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, and part of 10.3 I was using Illustrator 8 and Photoshop 5.5 in Classic. Last spring I upgraded to the Creative Suite which is X only. They all worked fine. If you work with fonts then you are going to be in for some education so please read Kurt Lang's masterpiece about fonts with X.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=122011&tstart=0
It is very easy to get yourself messed up with fonts. For me the transition was fairly painless since I had been using Font Reserve in 9 and they were very good about updating for X. Faster than Extensis(Suitcase) who bought them. They are both owned by Extensis now.
When I was migrating to X I frequently booted into 9 because it was familiar. This last year I booted into 9 one time. I still keep a few old macs for running peripherals that don't play well with X but my daily work mac is the one on my profile below.
In general, the AGP macs are the most upgradeable macs out there. While Apple was in it's funk with new products not many changes were made and it was easy for cpu upgrades to address a lot of macs. Starting with the mirror doors motherboards were frequently changed and as an engineer at Giga Design told me, they were pretty fast to begin with. So to answer your question, yes, in general single processor macs should be able to take a dual processor upgrade. If you purchase one of the older cpu upgrades it may be that they were intended for Quicksilvers that were dual to start with but most of the newer upgrades have overcome that issue.
But, and I'm going to make an assumption here, you don't impress me as a tinkerer on computers. By that I mean, getting a medium speed upgrade, use it for a few months, sell it for a faster card for a few months, sell that one, get a dual, etc.. I would get a fairly fast upgrade (say 1gz. or so) get used to X and save your money for a newer mac. It will have built in everything, faster bus (which you can't upgrade), faster memory, etc.
I started out using X on an old 9600 with a single g4 450 upgrade card. It worked fine through 10.2. The gui of X is a processor hog so resizing windows, opening a folder, and new windows was slow but it did Photoshop filters was just as fast in X as it was in 9. It just felt slow. I have had my dual 867 for 2 years and could sell it for 2/3 of what I paid for it.
Go middle of the road on the upgrades (which is cheaper), and when it is unbearably slow, get a newer mac. That's what I would do.

Why can't I download 10.4 for my G4 Dual Processor?

I have an older G4 500 mHz Dual Processor Mac and two other macs (iMac & new MacBook Pro). I just purchased Adobe CreativeSuites3 and realized I can't install on my oldest Mac without upgrading the System software. I want to have the same version of CS on all Macs. I looked into upgrading to Leopard and discovered it won't work with my G4. So I went to upgrade from 10.3.9 to 10.4 and it appears that Apple will no longer sell a new version of 10.4! Am I looking in the wrong place? Will my G4 successfully run 10.4? How do I purchase a copy of it?

Tiger is available at many online retailers. Price Grabber has several listed. Make sure to get the full retail version.
Personally, I would stay away from E-Bay. A lot of machine specific versions get sold there, and unless you know what you are looking for, you'll end up with a disk that doesn't even work on your Mac.
Cheers! DALE

Latest version of Firefox is not compatible with my Mac G4 dual processor?

Have used Firefox for a long time now and suddenly the new
updated version does not work with my Mac G4 dual processor machine. What can be done?

Firefox 3.6.x is the last version available from Mozilla for PPC Macs. <br />
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-older.html
For older Macs that aren't supported in Firefox 4+ versions, try TenFourFox for PowerPC's running Mac 10.4.11 & 10.5.8 . <br />
http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/<br />
http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/ <br />
https://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/wiki/PluginsNoLongerSupported

My heads in a spin - Older Dual 2.7 or Newer Dual 2 Power Mac

So - story so far
I bought a iMac intel. Yep I got sold on all the hype of 2x faster, the look of it, etc, but wasn't happy with it, it had problems, I returned it, and got a refund. But now I still need a mac.
My needs for a Mac are to take up video editing as a hobby. I have Motion waiting and ready to go.
So now I have faced facts and realised I would be better off with a PowerMac than a Intel Imac for all sorts of reasons (Eg Rosetta, Lack Of Universal Sofware, Lack of expansion, etc)
But my head is in a spin - I have the opportunity to buy a Power Mac G5 2.7GHZ DP (refurb) or a PowerMac Power Mac G5 DC 2.0GHz (New).
My question is this. Am I better with a older Dual (eg no PCI Express, DDR Ram, etc) which has a meaty processor - or the newer Dual Core G5 Power Mac 2.0 (which does have PCI express, DDR2).
The G5 CD 2Ghz has a less than adequate video card (GF6600LE 128mb) which of course I would have to change, but this model is newer and £300 ($600) cheaper.
Or should I pay the extra for the 2.7Ghz Dual, (which has a Radeon 9650 256mb).
Head is spinning - the decisions, the decisions
Any advise greatly appreciated.

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HELP! Dual processors not seen. What happened to them?

I have a twofold problem, both on AGP Graphics machines with the Sawtooth boards. I purchased mine used about a year ago and it came with a dual 550 processor upgrade installed. It works great, but somewhere recently, maybe after my latest upgrade (10.4.8) I checked my system profiler and it now shows the processors as dual 500s. It used to say dual 550. Any idea where the other 50s went? Could this be a glitch in the OS that doesn't allow it to see the the extra gHz? I may try zapping the PRAM, but do you think it's because of the software? I'm baffled. The other part of my problem is I just upgraded the other AGP machine with a dual 500 from a gigabit ethernet unit. It showed up fine as a dual 500 in the profiler. Then I swapped in a 160 gig internal and popped the OS on it and relegated the smaller, second internal into a storage drive, erasing the OS on that one. After doing that, it just shows up in the profiler as a single 500. Weird. I've never heard of a dual processor losing half and still work fine on the other. As I said before, it was showing up fine until I installed Tiger on the new drive, transfered the info from the previous system via the installer, and now, only one processor shows. Any ideas or suggestions for both machines? Particularly the one missing the entire half of the processor? Thanks!
G4 Dual 550 Mac OS X (10.4.8) 1.2 GB RAM, 380 GB Storage, DVD Burner/Handy Slide-Out Cup Holder, USB2, TV Tune

I am having the same problem. I have a 160GB drive I've been using for years with 10.3 installed. Took that one out and started fresh with 2 160GB drives (one WD and one Maxtor, both 8GB cache)and set them up as "concatenated" RAID set in Disk Utility (while booted from Tiger disc). Installed Tiger, only shows ONE 450mhz processor in Activity Monitor and System Profiler. And it's definitely only running one processor because my Mac is running VERY slow. I went back to the original 160GB drive running 10.3x and everything is fine, 2 450mhz processors showing and fast as ever.
I've been searching apple support, google and the like but no answers. PLEASE HELP!!!
Thanks, Eric

Dual Processors -- How Exactly Does Logic Use Them?

I've searched this forum but haven't found any definitive, exacting information that would answer this question: How does Logic utilize both processors of a Dual Processor G5?
Real information -- not guesses -- would be really appreciated. Thanks.

Rohan, thanks for your detailed reply.
Actually, I hadn't surmised anything about how the dual processor architecture was implemented, except for the one idea that, perhaps, the second processor would be used to accellerate screen graphic drawing while the first one ("primary processor"??) dealt with audio matters. But I have the feeling this ain't happenin'.
I haven't yet put Logic through any serious paces yet with my new G5/Logic system, so I've yet to see the System Performance meter read on anything but the left side of the Audio Meter.
But back to the graphics drawing situation, compared to my G4 dual 450 (with dual head Radeon graphics accellerator card) running an older version of Logic, the response of Logic 7 running on my new "whoop-tee-doo" G5 dual 2.7 is deathly slow in certain respects...
For example, I recorded 8 simultaneous audio tracks. When I hit stop, the spinning pizza wheeled about for at least 30 seconds before rendering the waveform display for each track. And while the pizza is spinning, you're locked out of performing other operations. But on my G4, I could record audio and immediately start doing other things while the waveforms rendered.
Enough whining for now...
Tommy, exactly. It's nice to know how your tools work. When buying a computer or software, I don't think that anything concerning their operation should be left unexplained. But that's a lamentation for another day. In the meantime, it's great that this forum exists so Logic users can help each other out.

Single or Dual Processors for Tuxedo and/or weblogic 8.1?

We run Tools 8.44 and 8.20 and double checking to see if either Weblogic (8.1) or Tuxedo (8.1) would utilize a dual processor environment? We run these on Windows 2003 Server.
Appreciate inisght.

Yep its all in the cache, and the L3 makes all the difference.
I remember when I was shopping for my upgrade, Gigadesign had two different models of CPU's, the (brand new at the time) single and dual 7447's which went up to a dual 1.8 and the older pre-Freescale models (cant remember the model number maybe it was indeed the 7455B??) that maxed out with a dual 1.4..
I remember reading benchmarks (and quite a bit at XLR8yourmac.com) about the older dual 1.4's being on about the same level as the dual 1.6 and 1.7 7447 cpus.. This was all down to the 1.4 having L3 cache on each cpu. The 7447 had double the L2 like the 7448 but no L3.. I didnt really care much since they were relatively the same benchmark, but I went with the dual 1.7 7447 anyways just because the numbers were higher..
And funny enough, the CPU never ran stable at 1.7, my Mac would crash and kernel panic left and right. I couldnt get any response back from their tech support (I think it was one guy that ran the whole thing) about adjusting the voltage on it, so it spent its entire lifetime in my G4 as a dual 1.67. Not too big of a difference but I couldve saved some money just flat out buying a 1.6 instead of the 1.7, and wouldve saved even more had I just listened and bought the dual 1.4 with L3...
John with a G4 - no problem at all hehe! Dont get me wrong I loved my G4 and it served me well for just about 10 years before it 'died' on me.. But after getting the late-2005 dual core G5 man oh man I wish I wouldve done it waaaaaaaaaay sooner!

System disks for my power mac mdd g4 1.4 dual processor

i bought this power mac mdd g4 1.4 dual processor off from craigslist,no disks at all he didn't have them,so where can i get the installation disks?

Apple's Customer Service sometimes has OEM disk sets for older machines.
www.apple.com/contact/
Chances are slim, though, that they would have them for a machine that old.
You can find retail disk sets for older OS X versions at places like HarcoreMac, but their prices aren't cheap. EBay and CraigsList are other possibilities.
Your G4 MDD dual 1.42GHz machine is termed the "Power Mac G4 (FW800)" model by Apple. It originally came with OS X 10.2.3. It's max OS is OS X 10.5.8, the one apparently on it now.
Since the machine is running OS X 10.5.8, you should probably seek a retail OS X 10.5.x (Leopard) version.

I have a late 2008 Macbook Pro, I am trying to run MW3 but it will not work without crashing a few minuets into the game. The general specs on my computer are a dual processor 2.53 ghz. 4 gb ram and a NVIDIA geforce 9400 (9600 is the alternate card)

I have a late 2008 Macbook Pro, I am trying to run MW3 but it will not work without crashing a few minuets into the game. The general specs on my computer are a dual processor 2.53 ghz. 4 gb ram and a NVIDIA geforce 9400 (9600 is the alternate card).
Things to note:
I have been unable to update firmware on this computer for about a year now. Im not sure why.
I am running a bootleg copy of Windows XP on this computer, I would not like to spend $149 to get Windows 7 if possible.
any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

Why don't you take your 'old' MBP into your local Apple Store and have them check out everything that's wrong with it - and I mean everything? Then, when you get an estimate about how much it would cost to get the machine completely repaired, ask about the Apple flat-rate repair pricing?
It's worth a shot - and with what you may save, you can put in the bank for a new MBP.
Clinton

I used Target mode to transfer files to a new iMac running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 from an older Dual core Intel machine (EMC 2105) also on 10.6.8. but originally Tiger 10.4. The operation was successful and I ejected the disk icon from the new machine and po

IS THE SITUATION HOPELESS
I used Target mode to transfer files to a new i7 iMac running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 from an older Dual core Intel machine (EMC 2105) also on 10.6.8. but originally Tiger 10.4. The operation was successful and I ejected the disk icon from the new machine and powered down the old machine. When this was restarted the next day there was a grey screen with flashing Mac symbol alternating with a 'no entry' sign and occasionally a question mark.Keyboard and mouse were unusable so k inserted the original instal disc (No.1 for 10.4. with installer 1.0.4) which came with the machine in 2006 in an attempt to boot from this. The ensuing window said this was not possible and now it cannot be ejected.I have tried everything ! It offers Disk Utility and other options like Terminal but that doesn't work either.I 'repaired disk' and that was pronounced o.k. None of the various keystrokes at start up will work, and the computer will only offer the installer disc continually.The only option would seem to be is to erase the hard drive completely from the disc in the machine.I don't want to do this as there is still material which I need to recover. I think the drive has in some way been corrupted by using it in target mode, and I don't know if there are any other options to try.
Please tell me how to get this disc to eject !

Graham Giles wrote:
Have you seen this type of problem before? I think it could be a serious issue for anyone in a similar position.
No; but then, I've not had occasion to use TDM. I've been using firerwire drives for over 10 years, both FW400 and FW800, with no issues except a bit of instability using a B&W G3 machine.
TDM should be safe. Using cautious, manual copying of files from the Target machine to the Host machine should not result in unexpected loss of files or damage to the Target drive's directories. It should behave exactly the same as if it were an external (to the Host) firewire drive.
• I don't suppose there is anything I can do to 'put back' lost items from a separate Time Machine drive which has an up to date backup on it.
There is probably a way to do that - seems to me that's one of the reasons for a Time Machine volume.
On the other hand, if the Time Machine volume is rigidly linked to the now-absent OS on the original drive, there may be no way to effectively access the files in the TM archive.
I know that using a cloned drive would work well in this instance.
I have no experience with Time Machine, so perhaps someone who has will chime in with suggestions.
With the machine in TDM with the other machine, have you tried running Disk Utility to see if you can effect repairs to the drive?

What is causing a PowerMac G5/2.3GHz Dual Processor sudden abrupt shutdowns

Hi all
I am posting in hope that someone out there can help me solve this very puzzling problem.
The machine: A PowerMac dual processor G5/2.3GHz (early 2005). 1.5G RAM. 250G HD. SuperDrive. Radeon 9650.
The problem: When under some load, this machine will suddenly and abruptly shutdown as though someone pulled the power cord. There is no warning. Just a soft click, and it powers off. The machine can be manually restarted after the sudden shutdown with no problems.
This problem is very replicable. (eg go to a particular website, play an embedded video, and boom, the machine shutsdown. Each and every time.) It was replicated at an Apple Store and at two Apple Authorized Service Providers.
System.log said "PMU forced shutdown, cause = -122"
Before the sudden shutdown, the machine seemed to be operating normally. The fans did not noticeably speed up. Activity Monitor showed no more than 50% CPU activity for each CPU. Temperature on both CPU was around at 70C before the sudden shutdown. Temperature and activity on both CPU goes up and down in tendem.
If I use the Energy Saver system preference to change "Processor performance" to "Reduced", the problem goes away. (As measured by going to the same website and playing the same video. Even playing 5 videos simultaneously did not cause a sudden shutdown.)
What have I done #1: I have reformat the hard drive with a 7-pass security wipe, followed by a clean-install of Tiger which was then brought up-to-date using Software Update. I then installed Safari 4.0.3. No other software is on the machine except Tiger and Safari. (Later installed Hardware Monitor to get me a handle on the temperatures.) The problem persisted.
What have I done #2: I then installed a new PRAM battery and reset PMU using the switch on the motherboard. Resetting the PMU also resetted the PRAM. The problem persisted.
What have I done #3: I then took the machine to an Apple Store. They found that they can replicate the problem easily. But, after 3 days of running the Apple Service Diagnostic, the diagnostic software didn't find any problem. They also did a thermal re-calibration. That didn't help either. Without an error code from the diagnostic software, the only "solution" the Apple Genius offered was to start swapping CPU, power supply and mother board at my expense. And even then, he has no idea which component to start swapping first. (Two independent Apple Authorized Service Providers offered the same non-diagnosis and roughly the same "solution".)
Has anyone encountered such a problem before? What was the solution?
How about an educated guess as to what's wrong?
I want to, if possible, and if reasonable, repair this machine.
Thanks in advance.
Lara

This sounds almost exactly like the problem I have. My G5 is also an Early 05 2.3G. I tried every tip I found on the forums from UPS vs. wall socket to stock RAM vs. 3rd party to booting from external HDs, etc.. I currently have 10.5.8 on it and it's running using the "Reduced" processor setting in Energy Saver prefs.
I have also made a trip to The Apple Store where the AS folks ran their diagnostics but were usable to replicate my problem. I understand they "can't fix it if it ain't broke".
Aside from the "Reduced" setting work-around has ANYONE actually solved this problem definitively? Although I have no interest in spending $1000 to fix this, I can't imagine disposing of it on Ebay.
Assuming this is a hardware issue, this would mark the first insurmountable failure of any of the 10 or so Macs I have owned.
Anyone? Anyone?

CHUD on a dual processor MDD running Leopard (10.5.8)

I finally got around to installing CHUD today and am wondering if some of you folks who have used it for a while might have some easy answers to a few questions.
I first tried version 3.5.2. It installed, but I couldn't adjust any of the settings. I then read on japamac's site that some MDD's could use 4.4.4. I installed that version and it does work (In fact, I'm posting this with one processor tied behind my back). However, there does not seem to be an option for nap mode.
Also, after I toggle between single an dual processor mode a few times, performance in dual mode seems to take a big hit. A restart solves the problem, but I'm wondering if this is normal.
Is there any way to get nap mode to work in a dual cpu MDD running 10.5.8?
Is there any way to get it to stay in single CPU mode when it wakes from sleep?
I read through the discussions at xlr8yourmac before posting this. It appears that some people have been able to get nap mode to work under Leopard, but they are not always careful to mention exactly which version of Leopard and CHUD they are using.

Hi-
When installing CHUD, it is also necessary to run CHUD remover to deinstall previous installations.
If not deinstalled, odd stuff happens.
3.5.2 is the one for dual processors.
Other versions have mixed dual processor support.
This is one of the claims that 4.4.4 works, but I have lingering doubts
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5974655&#5974655
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It takes a script for automatic Nap enabling in a dual processor machine with 3.5.2.
See this thread:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9030378&#9030378

Dual processor not showing up in Activity Monitor

I have a dual processor G5 PowerPC at work and when I look at the CPU Activity Monitor it shows me the activity on both processors. My Mac Pro at home is also a dual processor but when I look at the activity monitor it only shows one processor thread. Is this normal or is there something wrong with my Mac Pro? Anyone else notice this as well?

Hi KSStudio. A few questions to clarify.
1. Is this a dual or single cpu machine?
2. How many cores per machine?
Check it out...
Assuming you have a dual cpu (8 core) 2009 mac pro, when you use activity monitor choose > Window > CPU Usage. You should see a floating window with 16 panes. (8 panes if you have a single processor/4 core model) Under normal loads using 10.5 you should see some activity in all 16 panes. Under normal loads using 10.6 you should see activity in odd numbered panes. You will see activity in even numbered panes when the load is high. This is normal and due to Snow Leopard's improved utilization of processor technology.
Hope this helps.
--Jesse

Mac Mini Dual Processor?

I was told by a salesman at the guitar center that I could hook my mac mini G4 to a powermac G5 to boost the speed a bit. I don't really know how I'd do that, but my question is, if that's possible could I hook up a Mac MIni G4 to another one of the same speed and make that a dual processor set up...??
Mac Mini Mac OS X (10.3.9)

To my knowledge, there is (unfortunately) nothing as simple as that.
Still It should be "doable" to connect two macs to share their capabilities, but, due to the power used to run the process, you certainly won't end up with the power and ease of use of a dual processor machine...

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