? on K8T-Neo's factory Serial ATA cables

The orange Serial ATA cables that come with the MSI K8T Neo motherboard - are those male or female connectors?
Also, I noticed that the cables are almost 2 feet long. Does anyone know where I can get shorter Serial ATA cables?
Any information is appreciated! :-)
[Countdown to HyperX memory arriving in the mail: 3 days!]

...it doesn't matter which end you plug into the HDD or the mobo...I guess you would call them male...check online vendors for shorter ones...different colors...fluorescent ones...etc...

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Disclaimer: You try any and all troubleshooting at YOUR OWN RISK!!
Here is my unofficial guide to the K8t Neo fisr2 If you Like It give it a thumbs up so it will stick out. I will warn you it is long and I will edit off and on.
to add as needed.
first I'll start off with components,
CASE..you will need an atx case with good cooling a few extra fans like a blowhole at the top can help cooling, also bundle cables and power leads
so that they don't interfere with airflow.
MOTHERBOARD,...This is based on the K8TNEO series, when you attach it to your case make sure that is is mounted to risers to keep it from contacting case, they are usually small brass pins, also make sure that all the mounting screw are secure and in place, this will prevent the PCB from flexing and cracking as you install components, there should be around 9 or so screws, that usually go into the riser pins or raised case mounting points,don't forget to use those fiber or plastic insulated washers. These should be the only case contact point to the mobo other then the back plate with all the usb, net jacks etc..
Also use all of the mount points you can..if not you can crack mobo putting in cards etc...
CPU...Athlon64 processor2800+, 3000+, 3200+, or a 3400+, all 754 pin chips...k8neo CAN NOT USE FX chips or Opterons. 3200,&3000 are basically the same chip, same clockspeed of 2.0 ghz but the l2 cache is different 3200 1mb...3000 512k, you may not notice the difference in many applications but will see 2~10% diff in benchmark testing, the 3000 is usually about $75 cheaper
the 2800 is a newer model an a good way to get into 64bit without high cost.
PSU.... one of the most overlooked and most important component,
that old 300 watter you have from your old duron 800 don't even try.PSU's have caused a lot of trouble with a64 systems, they use a lot of power Get a good name brand psu if you can, and make sure it is at least 400 watts and has at the minimum of 20a on 12v, also look at combined total wattage
the psu must have a 20 pin connector and a 4 Pin( Square) Connector, and there is Only 1, Called the+12V 4 Pin Processor Connector.
some of the recommended brands are enermax,and antec.
Here is the reason most problems are the psu
amd64 uses 12v power, Intel chips used a lot of 5v power.
so until now most big psu's pushed 5 v not 12v
almost everything in your computer uses 12v except ram (3.3V)
AMD 64 and motherboard =12a @12V
so your already at 12A with no fan,s no hd, no CD,no DVD ,no mobo chip-set , no mem, no sound..etc
so what happens is your mem gets starved for power and then gives out errors,in your data, which = corrupt sata,or it fails to post. .
MEMMORY...Another big trouble spot,not just with the MSI board but with Via chip-set, and or the A64 memory controller.
DDR non ecc- single channel 400 is baseline although slower chips also work, The CPU's memory unit only supports 4 banks total so in order to use three sockets at least two of the memory sticks have to be 1 bank,.one bank or two bank chips look similar so check specs, dual bank chips usually have chips on the back as well. mem should match type and speed. if you run into problems try going into bios and limiting ram to 333.mem should match type and speed.
(edited out till i find more info [STRIKEOUT] if using two mem sticks it is best to use slots 1 and 3,[/STRIKEOUT])
edit :ok tiresmoke just replied so have a look. "One thing that often does not get addressed. I had a couple Blue Screens early on. Here is how I fixed it. I run my RAM in sockets 1 and 3. 1 and 2 gave a little instability.Yes I decided to keep mine in slot 1/3 but I did test in 1/2 since I changed Bios. Typically slot 1/3 can slow you down but it did not with mine so best to say that difference RAM will give different symptoms. Try combinations to find what works best for you."
LOL Keep in mind that Jocko uses 3 sticks of dual bank RAM and according to AMD they only support 4 banks total. Jocko has 6 so you do the math.
you can check msi's website for compatible ram, but be careful it can be confusing,
they list by part numbers,
but some known configurations that work are:
I would stay away from corsair xms mem right now many people have problems.
corsair and kingston owners may want to look here
AMD 3000+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Corsair CMX DDR400 @2-3-2-5
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin Pro DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Corsair Value Select DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 512 - Geil Golden Dragon DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6 (2.7V)
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingmax DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston DDR400 @ 3-3-3-8
1 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
1 x 512 - Kingston ValueRam (KVR400X64C3A) DDR400? @ (Defaults?)
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 1 DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 2 DDR433 @ (defaults?)
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
1 x 1024 - OCZ EL DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
BIOS 1.3b2
2 x 512 OCZ EL DDR433 @ 2-3-3-7
AMD 3200+ systems...
BIOS 1.1
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 1 Black DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Apacer DDR400 @ 3-4-4-8 (2.5v)
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin X DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
1 x 1024 - Corsair TwinX DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Crucial DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Elixer OEM DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 1024 - GeIL GoldenDragon DDR400? @ defaults
2 x 512 - Geil Value Series 512MB DDR 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX KX DDR433 @ 2-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5 (2.75V)
2 x 256 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Twinx CLPRO DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2x512- Pny Verto DDR433 @defualts
AMD 3400+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Kingmax (MPXC22D-38KT3R) DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 Black DDR433 @ 2-3-2-5
you may have to email you mem manufacturer and manually set timings and voltages to get your memory working.
HARD DRIVES......Here you have alot of choices, basically two categories, SATA and PATA(IDE). There are many brands and speeds, IDE drives come in different speeds, such as ata33, ata66, ata 100, ata 133 for hard drives, the 33,100,133, being theoretical maximum transfer rating MB/sec.
newer ata(IDE)hard drives are ata100 which is ultra 5, and ata133 ,ultra6 is ,
PIO mode is the standard data transfer mode without the ultra enhancements, the fastest being 16.66 mb/sec. ultra 2 is 33 mb/sec . So when i say my CD,DVD, and DVD are ultra 2 it means they transfer at a maximum of 33 mb/sec, and my Maxtor hardrives are ultra 6 and have a maximum transfer of133 mb/sec. my old zip100 transfers at a max of 16 mb/sec since its in pio mode. Note these are maximum speeds, my hardrive transfers more like 65 mb/sec sustained according to SIS Sandra.
That is why SATA 150 is such a big deal, vs say a Western digital ata100
SATA is a different interface all together and can transfers closer to its maximum
theoretical speed. BUT the pci bus itself is limited to 133 mb/sec so an add-on card
should never be able to reach over 133, regardless, of SCSI,IDE, or SATA
so on the k8t neo you have some choices. With the IDE you can use, IDE1,2, or 3
IDE1&2 are ata100. ) to attach use a 80pin round or flat cable, the first slot goes into the mobo, the middle connector is for a slave or should be left empty, use the end for master, or single drive. you must also setup jumpers for hd or cds.
The master is primary unit and the slave is secondary unit, for each channel.
Or use the Cable Select jumper and USUALLY the BIOS will select the drive for you.
IDE1 & 2 is ata100, or 133 depending on board if using for only 2 drives put them on different channels
...ie master on IDE 1, and master on IDE 2 . that way they will have maximum bandwidth. especially for disk to disk copies or burning
IDE3 RAID is ata133, or can be raid 0 or 1 by the promise chip. 0 being striped for performance,1 being mirrored for safety, mirror only protects hd from failure,not viruses,or corruption for that you need a backup or as i prefer a drive image program such as accronis trueimage..linux compatible.and Norton ghost.you will first have to enable the promise chip in the bios, then you have to load drivers by hitting F6 during windows installation, and insert floppy drive, yes you will need a floppy, at least for initial setup. If you want to set up raid you will have to do that first before loading windows,by hitting ctrl+F (read quick user's guide Serial ata raid, serial ata) only hd's can use ide3.If you don't have enough IDE slots you can add on pci card with one or two more headers for up to 4 more drives, I added a Maxtor ultra ata133, since i have 5 idehd's and 3 DVD/cds.
SATA, here you have two choices, use the Promise chip set or the Via. Either one or both can be set to raid0 or 1, see users guide to setup, You will also have to enable them first in bios, and F6 and load floppy drivers to use in windows install, or load drivers in windows if using an existing install. either chip-set can be set for raid, in the manual, opinions are that the Via is faster, but you wont have a HD LED activity indicator light, The promise will have a HD light, but is slightly slower.
Also note that SATAs don't OC as well as IDE hard drives, they can even crash and loose data.
always make a backup of your computer, and remember raid 1 does nothing for virus, or contaminated installs.
SOUND....Here you have a few choices, On board or Card, unfortunately not both, yet.(UPDATE Bios Version 1.5 and above will fix this)... If using a card there have been some issues with Audigy 1 cards, but there may be a cure in this threadhttps://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=46849&sid=( Moved to stickies) audigy2 and 2zs cards work fine as do turtle beach.
on-board sound is not as high definition and uses some CPU cycles, so a card might be advantageous to gamers.
REALTEK GIGABIT...Is the on-board Ethernet, you will need to load drivers once in windows, it has caused some problems booting, as it can be set to a boot device as well. you will get a message "failed to boot press any key."..then "ntdlr error"...to fix this you may need to hit the key combination during boot to set it up, it will bring you to a menu, you need to set boot order, i recommend setting it to bios, and you can adjust or disable message and time length it is displayed.
VIDEO CARDS- You should install an agp 8x directx9 video card for best performance. Ati has better directx support so is better for gaming, but Nvida has better OpenGL so if you want to do 3d in Linux, you have better luck with Nvida.
When you set up windows, install via 4-1 drivers first, then the video drivers, check video manufacturer's website for updated drivers. make sure any extra power leads are plugged in. In bios Agp should be fast write enabled, and
if you are using 1024 of ram aperture size to 256, but check 3dmark to see which setting is faster.
BIOS- NO BIOS INSTALLED This is a message that you see during boot up from the promise on-board raid saying that it found no drives attached to its SATA or IDE channels so it's not installed the BIOS.This IS NOT a problem or anything to worry about!
jumping Bios reset jumper, be careful, make sure power is off. jump it and return it to the original position. If you power on with jumper in reset position you can erase your bios...requiring a Return to Manufacturer Authorization(RMA)
I have had no problems using windows updating to the latest bios ,It cured some issues, such as firewire ports, sound blaster audigy1 troubles,tweaked temps displayed,and so on. but be sure to have a backup of original bios disk. I have heard new 1.8 beta bios cures Newcastle temp problems.
some good settings are.. SMART enabled this will warn you of hard disk failure,System bios cacheble and shadow ram are more for older computers and should be set to disable.boot to os2- disable...memory setting vary by card and some even need to be set manually so check with manufacturer or get familiar with cmos reset jumper.(just be sure to have power off)...plug and play os to disable(more of a win 98 thing) disable serials and parallel ports if you don't need them, as with on-board sound firewire etc. this is just a few pointers the rest is a more personal thing, but i have heard turbo setting causes problems and is best left to fast, and dynamic oc'ing is similar use at your own risk
USB keyboard don't forget to enable USB in the BIOS. This caused some problems when installing XP. Without USB enabled in BIOS when you come to the "Hit any key to proceed" the install will fail with the ntldr error
POWER SAVINGS...Having trouble getting fans or case lights to shut off on standby set to S3, then disable apm, and be sure to set a wakeup event..such as wake from usb, or keyboard command. I have agp boot disable, but depends on card.
Want to know more about bios, and what those settings are? click this link
http://www.rojakpot.com/(eb1mg5zatgcf5r55lv5no155)/default.aspx?location=9
CORE CENTER....Another personal choice, I like it and use it a lot, to increase and decrease fsb without going through bios. the NB fan sensor should read 0 unless you plug a fan onto it, personally i have an 80mm antec and it doesn't read it, but i tried a old CPU fan and it worked fine.
COOL AND QUIET Another personal choice, I don't use it because some people have had there CPUs power down in the middle of games, and such
(it goes down to 800 MHz) others had small bugs in there system that went away when they disabled it. But some like it and use it a lot. Good for energy savings.
want to get your boot time down
start by selecting OS drive as first in boot sequence, you can always change bios when you want to boot from floppy or CD(which isn't often).disable floppy drive seek
then clean out your startup folder under rt click explore start button.
try and get services set to auto down to about 25. defrag your hdrive routinely,
. ditch wall paper, and get rid of windows startup screen.(msconfig,boot.ini.and check noguiboot). keep your drivers updated
if you can find it you can use then try bootvis, but microsoft doesn't support it anymore.Programs ..some useful free utilities are listed below, check goggle, until i make links for them.
SiS Sandrahttp://www.sisoftware.net/, a good all around benchmark,burn in and, info display
3DMARK.http://www.futuremark.com/download/.Mostly a Video tester, good for checking OC though.
Microsoft Memory testerms memtester
+86memtest.http://www.memtest86.com/..and Prime95http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htmvery good mem testers, and tests for stability
spybot search and destroy, http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=homeand
Lavasoft's ad-aware http://www.lavasoftusa.comgot to have for house cleaning.
atitool, http://atitool.ocfaq.com/oc ap for ati cards,click find max core let it go for 15min or so,then set back to default, and click find max mem...for 15min or so, and now you have the max you can set your video card too.(but set safety limits before manually setting)
[STRIKEOUT]mbm5 mbm5 link good alternative temp readings to corecenter.[/STRIKEOUT]
good program but discontinued.
OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMS
Norton utilities, good all around disk and OS utility
Norton Internet secuirity, or similar firewall and virus protector
Norton ghost, or other drive image software fantastic for backups
BF1942...lol just fun
HOME NETWORKING I will add this part because of additional posing of errors
dealing with USB Broadband routers...try using on board realtek or other Ethernet connection it will save your sanity.
well i have a real poor mans router setup for you
2 Ethernet slots, one for for broadband router and one to share.
if you only want one other computer, use a crossover cable, otherwise, use a hub or switch(better) and let Internet connection wizard and home networking on your machines work their magic,want a firewall download some software there are even, fairly decent free ones.the speed of the card isn't important because broadband still isn't over 10mb/sec yet, so blow the dust off that card in the closet and put it to work.or if your really brave or really cheap you can try to use the usb input from broadband, and on board ether, or firewire port, to link computers
Trouble shooting
for total no boot/post failure
I know you may know how to build a computer, and i know this is basic, so bear with me here, but at this point you have to do a methodical by the book check list.
revision
A: when you first install your motherboard make sure it does not contact case,
use all nine mounting points, make sure that your case either has built in risers, or use the small brass standoffs, and don't forget the fiber washers.
when you installed your CPU you:
1 ___you properly handle equipment so no static damage can occur, (properly grounded)
2____.you fully lift the CPU ziff socket arm up, orient the gold triangle marking arrow,pins and it easily dropped into socket, with no bent pins ,
3 ___ backer plate mounted carefully no missing pieces of the board flying off, ( i have seen people launch capacitors, and the like )
4 ____obviously you removed the plastic thermal pad cover, and heatsink was evenly locked down, and fully seated, and correctly plugged into mobo cpufan1.
and you fully removed old thermal pad/grease and applied new artic silver, or new heatsink with plastic on pad,you didn't reuse old paste or pad.
memory
5 _____memory stick(not sticks, at this point you just want to get it working, not full blast with a gig of ram etc)is fully seated and properly oriented in slot, and is 184 pin ddr non-registered , non ecc ram , and you have tried different non corsair, non twinmoss, brands that have been known to work. and/ or
tried to set manually mem speed/voltage for some models of corsair, twinmoss, and kingston)
6.____ plug in only power switch pins 6,8and power led to jfp1, pins 2,4 and they are turned correctly,
7. ____your new psu has the 20 pin and square 4 pin power connector plugged in to jpw1 turned right and fully seated. and has a bare min of 18a on 12v+ rail.
8 ____your video card is fully seated an locked down,also securely screwed in.
9 ____your floppy drive cable iss facing right way (pin1 is matched with red stripe)
10. ____you have ata cables for hd and CD set to master/slave or cs. with hard drive set as master, end of cable.
11 _____the power plugs are all fully seated, including psu rear plug,floppy ,hd, and CD.
12. _____keyboard(ps2) and mouse plugged in, monitor plugged into video card,
13 ______every thing is fully secured in case, side cover is off.
14 ______CMOS jumper is set 1,2 keep data, all usb stuff is unplugged, except for dbracket.
power it up, one beep, fans spin, in psu and CPU, and video card,
you get no bios found error,(promise adapter not finding satas..no worries)
or hit Del to go into bios, set boot order, and .......
.........your now at the end of the road, and it should by all means work,
now what i am after,
there are no bent pins, on CPU, you reapplied artic silver paste.
no loose wires,
properly applied heat sink with fan cooling,
you have tried different brands of known ,to work in an MSI k8tneo
ddr ram 1 stick at a tme.
you have tried different video cards, and in case of higher end card, the external molex power supply as plugged in,
you have tried different ata hard drives
you then have tried have set up your SATA drive correctly .
everything is securely plugged in ..fully seated and oriented the right way?
what are d-bracket error light, and any beep codes?
you have tried a different wall outlet, you have changed surge protectors,
you never hot plugged video cards, hd cables or power etc.
i know this redundant , and basic , it is not meant to be insulting , it is meant to be a checklist and rule out all basic errors and potential problems
if your mem bandwidth is slower then 3000..like 2400 this may help
Received from a user - Slow memory 1T Command fix
OK, here's what to do. Download the following ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcrs120.exe extract it, and run InstDD.exe. It'll ask to reboot, you don't need to do it right away, at least I didn't have to. Fire up WPCRSET.exe and do the following. Under startup, click on start, and under device, click enable. Now click add. The bus device and function will be 0,24, and 2. The register and data values will be the 93,08. There we have it! Enjoy everyone. I know I'm much happier now.
Here's a graphic to make it easier:
I will add more by edit, or post as needed but i should post now so it can be put to use.
I would like to Thank BAS,wonkaboy, Jocko, ethereal, Tiresmoke, Reilly, and the many others whose valued input helps solve problems.

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amd 64=12a @12V
ati 9800=7.5~10.5a @12V (assuming 90~125 watts) a max load,
a 9600 ir nvida 5200 used far less power
so your already at 18a with no fan,s no hd, no cd,no dvd ,no mobo chipset , no mem, no sound..etc
If you exclude the motherboard, memory, etc like you did there, the amd 64 draws 7.2A @ 12V.
90~125W for an ATI 9800?! [irony]Are you working for a PSU manufacturer or what?[/irony] That's just absurd.
Go read this post to get a feel for the actual power consumption: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?postid=297061&sid=#post297061

New computer help, AMD 64 3200+/K8T-Neo

Recently, I purchased a new computer, or I should say part of one(AMD 64 3200+, MSI K8T-Neo, 1.0gb ddr400, 2x seagate 80gb serial ATA150, and a radeon pro 9800) to replace my old one(800mhz AMD Duron, BCM Mainboard, 64mb ddr Geforce2 Ti-Pro, 512mb PNY sd133, etc etc.) Well I decided rather than paying more for optical drives, I'd just use the ones I had in my previous computer. One was a 48x cdrw(dunno the brand, Pacific Western or something along those lines, perhaps?) and a 12x dvd-rom. I connected the power cord, and the master ATA cable of the MSI motherboard to the burner, and the slave to the dvd. I booted it up, and My cd tray of my cd-burner popped out, but the "light" didn't blink like it always did when it started up in my old computer.. I thought it was odd and then noticed neither of my serial drives were recognized.. so after tinkering for a while I discovered the people I purchased the computer from weren't bright enough to connect the power cable to the SATA drives... they were both recognized, but when I tried to install windows, it wanted the disc in my cd-burner, and the burner's tray would just open and close.. wouldn't read anything/light wouldn't blink.. so I disconnected the power to it and tried just setting my dvd-rom to master, with no slave ATA drive.. When I did this it no longer recognizes my master SATA drive, any ideas on either?

Hi
Deep breath, I think I've understood.
It sounds like bios settings, and the SATA drivers on the floppy.
If you have not already loaded your HDD with OS and DATA, I would start again,
First check the settings in BIOS, set to SAFE DEFAULTS, then go to Integrated Peripherals, page 3-20 of the manual, if you use the VIA drivers for SATA, thats SATA 1 & 2, then disable the P20378 S.ATA controller, make sure the PATA IDE and SATA IDE are enabled, if PATA is disabled the IDE devices won't be recognised. Exit and set Boot sequence to floppy, CD, HDD, enable other boot devices. exit and save.
Try your DVDs on cable select, the master on end of cable, I would try another 80 wire cable in case your is damaged.
Restart, when first XP blue screen press F6, later it asks to press S to load from floppy, follow prompts load both XP drivers, you will need to press S a 2nd time for the 2nd driver, at setup screen you should see all HDDs, partition, format , install
Cheers
jocko

K8T Neo-FSR SATA Limits?

I have an old PC with an AMD Athlon 64 2800+ processor and a K8T Neo-FSR with a VIA® VT8237 chipset. This board has two 1.5 Gb/s SATA connections so I decided to put these to use by turning this old PC into a file server (NAS). I bought some refurbished 250 GB drives for a RAID 1 setup from Newegg and plugged them in and the firmware did not detect them. I upgraded the BIOS to the latest version (1.9) and it still didn't detect the drives. It's my guess that there's a limit on how much that chipset can support. Does anyone know what it is? I've tried searching extensively for it, but can't find any info on any limitations as far as SATA.
For readers' simplicity, here's the URL for the info page: us.msi.com/product/mb/K8T_NeoFSR_FIS2R.html (copy and paste).
Please note that I have no interest in purchasing a new system as a replacement. I know this board is a decade old and well beyond its EOL, but it works and it is paid for, so please don't go there. Thanks!

Quote from: TV34 on 24-May-14, 00:01:27
@ XFM
from http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites/com/1006201.htm
Schnittstelle Bandbreite Reichweite Geräteanzahl Einführung
Serial-ATA (SATA) 150 MByte/s 1 m 4 2003
Serial-ATA-II (SATA 2 / SATA-300) 300 MByte/s 1 m 16 2005
Serial-ATA-III (SATA 6G / SATA-600) 600 MByte/s 1 m 16 2007
mfg Tino
Got news for you, that's a typo there. * Should read 3 G. You apparently still don't understand the proper terminology.
Yes that's correct, SATA does not use jumpers for Master, Slave or Cable Select like PATA drives do.

K8T NEO (MS-6702 VT8237) can't find SATA drive

I just got a Seagate 160gb SATA drive (retail). In the bios settings sata is enabled (default), Serial Port 1 is on Auto (default) but I don't know where to look in the BIOS to see that the drive is recognized. I felt the drive and it's warm so I know it's getting power. Brand new SATA cable from the Seagate box. I'm using the drive as the primary drive to install OS. I downloaded "VIA VT8237(R) SATA RAID Driver (For floppy driver)". Put on floppy, restarted with my bootable XP disc, hit F6 when XP was starting setup. It recognized the driver install (gave me driver choice of XP, 2000 and NT). Picked XP and then it continues loading. Finally says "no hard drive found" (or something like that). I even tried keeping my IDE as primary so I could add it as a secondary drive in windows. Installed all the latest 4 in1 drivers, raid setup and everything and won't recognize. This is my first SATA install so I guess I'm missing something. I guess I shoulda got the EIDE to make it ez :( Please help!

Hi!
Have a look at the connector you used. If you have the full K8T Neo, you have two SATA controllers. One VIA and one Promise. You then have 4 SATA ports on the board. you need to use the ones closest to your RAM, so, the upper ones.
Did you buy a SATA or SATA-II disk? In case it's SATA-II, check the SATA/SATA-II jumper on the drive and set it to SATA-I. Your board does NOT support SATA-II.
when you checked this, please verify in BIOS that you actually did enable the VIA V8237 SATA controller. When you did, boot further untill the POST screen disappears. Now, you see a VIA SATA BIOS screen. It should list your Seagate now.

K8T Neo - no boot from CD/DVD

I have a K8T Neo FSR board, with 512 MB, one 250 GB ATA hard drive and a DVD writer/drive. It refuses to boot from the DVD drive. I've done all the standard things - going into BIOS, checking its boot order, disabling the SATA drives, even slowing the memory speed down from 400 mHz to 200 mHz. And yes, I've removed the battery and power cable and let it sit for 24 hours to reset the BIOS. None of it works.
The DVD drive runs during POST, but does not run during the time that BIOS is looking for boot devices. It does not boot. BIOS recognizes the drive, but whether I set it to "auto" or "CD/DVD" in BIOS, the drive does not run.
I have used a floppy disk (a modified Win 98 boot disk) that loads ATAPI drivers. The disk boots, but the drivers do nothing to help me boot or even read anything from the CD/DVD drive.
I've even put in another power supply (that has 22 amps on the +12V line) and still, no joy. Anyone have any ideas?

Okay, please note the new signature line. As I say, this info will not help you one bit. These are all common components, nothing exotic and nothing unearthed from a swamp. The person on eBay who sold me this motherboard says that the system booted fine for him when he ran it, he did not overclock the processor, and he is mystified as to why the system won't boot.
I have swapped out the DVD drive for others (notably a Pioneer from my Mac G4, I think it's a DVR-106), and I did try different settings on the drive (master, slave, cable select) and tried it on the other channel. I've switched out the secondary IDE cable for a new one, and it's a cable with a key plug so it can't be plugged in the wrong way. And I've tried auto settings and the DVD/CD setting in BIOS for the drive. I cannot set up UDMA mode, since that selection is greyed out in BIOS. That shouldn't matter, as that is a high-performance setting, and booting is a low-performance task. Remember, the drive light is not coming on when BIOS starts going through its boot devices.
And to answer another post, yes, I've set the entire boot order to CD/DVD. Plus "try other devices" so that at worst, it'll boot off the floppy.
At this point I'm prepared to follow BOSSKILLER's suggestion and flash the motherboard BIOS to 2.2 with a floppy boot disk, unless I hear a lot of objections. Other than that, I'll have to take this to a tech, who probably won't have a clue and won't give a damn about a homebrew system ("Why don't you just throw all that in the trash and buy a nice, new system from me? There's nothing wrong with PC Chips!")
Sorry if this is a bit abrasive, but this is something that should not happen, especially to an MSI motherboard.

MSI K8T Neo - System & Application crash/reboot

Windows XP Pro, SP 1
MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R Via K8T800 Athlon 64
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Processor
Corsair CMX512-3200C2PT 512MB DDR400 PC3200 XMS X (2)
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
REVOLUTION 7.1 PCI SURROUND
VANTEC ION VAN-400B (400W) Serial ATA
Running the CL @ 2.5 and the other timings are set to auto via the BIOS. Ran Microsoft memory diagnostic all last night and got over 120 passes successfully. Problems have occurred when playing fairly intensive video games, e.g. Blade & Sword. Sometimes it will just reboot out of nowhere and sometimes the game will immediately stop and I will see just the desktop. Nothing posts on the Event Viewer for Application or System logs. When the machine reboots it appears to display a memory dump and when you follow the post on the Microsoft site it ascertains that it is a driver issue, yet it is not specific enough to tell you which driver. I have updated all the drivers from MSI and ATI, and am running Cool & Quiet.
If you know what I might try to do in attempts to fix this please let me know.

hey thanks for your reply. yes i made sure everything was enabled and i just fixed my own problem. just for the heck on it i called msi tech support [talked to a real smart fella] and he told me that sometimes you need to jumper the drive when your using a single hard drive. i played with it a few minutes and it worked. its installing xp right now. i guess you learn something new everyday.

MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R - Suggestions

Hi,
I have just ordered these parts:
AMD Athlon 64 3200 (Socket 754) - Retail (CP-060-AM)
Asus DVD-E616P1 16X DVD-ROM / 48X CD-ROM - Retail (CD-002-AS)
Western Digital Caviar 120GB Special Edition 8MB Cache Serial ATA - OEM (HD-009-WD)
Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Case - 380W TruePower Silent PSU (CA-003-AT)
MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R (Socket 754) Motherboard (MB-010-MS)
Sapphire Radeon 9800Pro
I am still stuck on RAM, despite searching other topics. Which PC3200 RAM actually works to the speed that it should, I'm not convinced by the MSI list.
Will Kingston HyperX PC3200 work to its full standard? I was initially looking at KingMax PC3500 RAM which is a lot cheaper, however it seems pointless to spend so much on quality parts and then get cheap RAM(although PC3500 should be faster, I assume it shouldn't make any difference if I'm not overclocking). I don't think I can quite afford Mushkin RAM, as I have about £220 for 1GB.
Secondly, with my PSU be able to power the system without overclocking?
Thanks for any ideas.

I would also suggest a better PSU, I had a Enermax 350W before and it only just coped + a high pitched whining sound
Plus a Pentium 4 and an AMD64 = not equivalent in terms of power consumption. If you already have that PSU, then fair enough try it. But if your still planning to buy it... I would go for a better one. Just my 2 cents

MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R, BIOS flash???

I'm trying to flash my bios but i get this wrong message after restart: CMOS SETTINGS WRONG, if you have built sata raid array previously, go to "P20378 sata controller" set as raid. I've tried that but it dosn't help.......what should i do???
Motherboard: MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R
Harddrives 2 x S-ATA Western Digital 250 Gb, 2 x IDE Seagate 80 Gb

i used to get that almost every time i update BIOS. I forgot the fix, but we need to know as Tiresmoke said whether u r at all using the promise. if Via serials r enough for u (which in this case they r since u only hv 2 sata hd's) then just use these and see what happens.
did u also try to load bios defaults? i think i used to do this when i get that error msg

? on K8T-Neo's factory Serial ATA cables

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