On my third iPod classic, possibly failing hard drive, again

i've been using 160gb ipod classics for a few years now, they're the most easily available and affordable music players for the amount of music i listen to regularly, and for a while they worked perfectly for me. after the first one i owned was stolen, my second ipod lasted a good while but then started having problems that were attributed by myself & apple to a failing hard drive. now i'm on my third one, and while attempting to sync music to it, all of my music was randomly removed from the ipod. the ipod itself seems to work fine, but now itunes is giving me error 1439 and i can't restore it or format it. is the hard drive failing on this one as well? is something wrong on my end, or are all new ipod classics generally this bad, or am i just coincidentally getting faulty ones? how do i proceed?
here's the stats on it which actually do not look good
Retracts: 7
Reallocs: 2648
Pending Sectors: 0
PowerOn Hours: 61
Start/Stops: 5451
Temp: Current 35c
Temp: Min 10c
Temp: Max 54c

You're not supposed to let the iPod get hotter than 50c. Not good for the components. 2648 reallocs is not good, but none pending suggests that any bad clusters have been successfully mapped out. Try a DFU restore and the "break up large transfers" method from Corrupt iPod classic.
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