ON2 vs FLASH Moviestar!

Hi guys,
new beta of Flash 9 codename "Moviestar" was released, o
course you all know that. Personally, I'm excited about the support
of h.264 in new version of Flash becouse video quality will go up
and file size(and data rate) will not change!
What do you think about the future of that new feature?
Quality and file size are dandy? So what about the future of
ON2? Will the h.264 support in Flash kill ON2?

the video is beautiful, that's all i know.

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