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the situation: my friend in France uses an msn account on a PC with the latest version of windows live or some such. I'm in the states on my blackbook. I set up a shiny new msn account, hoping to connect up to him. I've tried adium, msn mac, mercury, and ichat, and nothing will let me connect to his cam, or him to mine.
so here's the golden question: can a mac user, as of right now, video chat with a PC user through the MSN network? if so, and if this is a waste of a new post, please direct me to the instructions. please do not tell us to sign up for AIM accounts, like I saw in another post.
if it's not possible, please explain why not. is it microsoft's msn client for the mac that's about 3 versions behind the pc one? is it a protocol issue? why is this so impossible? is it a social thing, i.e. europeans use msn and PCs and americans use AIM/yahoo and macs? I'm baffled.

It IS possible for a Mac user to do video with people using MSN/Windows Live messenger on Windows, but not possible to do audio.
To do video you will need either Mercury or aMSN. I haven't used either of these, and wouldn't touch the MSN service with a barge-pole, so can't give instructions on how to set it up, but both of them do have video capabilities. As i said though, neither do audio, so unless both participants know sign-language it may be of limited use.
The reason why it is not possible is both a protocol issue and a Microsoft one.
MSN uses secret, proprietary protocols for their service which means that anyone wanting to interoperate with the service has to reverse engineer the protocols and then implement them (and Microsoft can of course move the goal posts at any time by changing the protocols in a new version).
It's a Microsoft problem because they simply aren't interested in developing no cost applications for the Mac, as evidenced by the dropping of both IE and Windows Media Player for OS X (it wouldn't surprise me if Messenger gets dropped by the end of the year), so MSN Messenger lags well behind the Windows version and lacks many of its features.
The situation with MSN/Windows Live Messenger is unlikely to change until Microsoft switches to the IETF standard for IM, XMPP. It may be years before Microsoft switches but it will have to eventually as XMPP is the daddy in enterprise IM and becoming increasingly popular in the consumer space with services such as Google Talk, Gizmo (IM portion) and Live Journal (among thousands of others) utilising it.
Fortunately iChat already supports XMPP (Jabber) for IM, although doesn't yet use the XMPP standards for video or audio (though i'm still hopeful this will change with Leopard), so once MS switches you should be able to set it up in iChat. But like i said, it may take years before all the major IM companies converge on XMPP as the protocol of choice.
Anyway, if you're just interested in video AND audio chats between Windows and Mac OS X you don't have a lot of choices. There's the AIM/Trillian Pro <-> iChat route that you don't want to take, there's the Skype route (much as i loath Skype) which seems to be the preferred option among other forum posters here, and there are a few other alternatives too which i haven't paid much attention too, but there is currently NO way to do both video AND audio between Mac OS X and Windows using MSN/Windows Live.
Or i suppose you could wait for Leopard and hope that Apple provides MSN functionality but i suspect you'd be disappointed.
Not the answer you were looking for i'm afraid but i hope my post helps you find an alternative solution. Don't forget to send feedback to Microsoft and demand they switch to XMPP in MSN/Windows Live Messenger. The more requests the better. ^_^

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