One src message to multiple IDocs without BPM?

Hi guys!
Is it possible to cerate multiple IDocs from one source incoming message without BPM?
I tried the scenario, but I get following error:
<SAP:Code area="OUTBINDING">CO_TXT_MMF_ENGINETYPE</SAP:Code>
<SAP:Stack>Messages in multi-message format can only be sent to one Adapter Engine</SAP:Stack>
Any ideas?
Thanx a lot!
Olian

Hi
Sorry my earlier link was with BPM.
refer to this blog by Michal
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/12/04/xi-idoc-bundling--the-trick-with-the-occurance-change
Regards,
Kumar

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