Online Backup is needed everyday??

Hello All,
               For our ECC 6.0 System,OS=HP UNIX,Database=Oracle 9i
We are taking only Offline backup everyday...No Online backup is taken.Can we restore the system completely if it crashes??Is there any necessity to take the Online Backup daily??But we are taking File system Backup everyday from HP-Unix.What startegy is followed for SAP Best practise??

Hi,
back into the purpose of the backup : enable to restore data to its latest stable condition while system or database is crashed.
backup offline : you can restore database back only until the latest offline backup.
say you are doing the last offline backup on Dec 1, 2009, so if your system is crash now, you can only bring your system back to Dec 1, 2009. No matter if you are have full-set of archivelog, it will useless.
backup online : you can restore database back until the last archivelog you can save before crash.
say you are doing the last online backup this morning and regularly backup your archive log, so if your system is crash now, you can restore your online backup followed by applying your saved archivelog to bring your database to the latest condition (equivalent to the last archivelog you have). say the last online backup is 5AM this morning, and you backup archivelog every hour, and on on 7.15AM system is crash, you can restore online backup taken on 5AM, plus restoring (applying) archivelog on 6AM and 7AM, and then bring your database up. in this case, you may lost data from 7AM to 7.15AM if archivelog created during this time can't be save (during system/database crash). if you have enough time to save archivelog created between 7AM and 7.15AM, you can prevent or minimize data loss.
suggestion for you :
offline backup : once a week
online backup : once a day
archivelog oracle backup : every hour (or depends on how many archivelog created per hour on your system)
filesystem (vg00 or internal disk) backup : once a month, before applying patch and after applying patch
compared to our system:
offline backup : once a month (due to huge database we have)
online backup : once a day
archivelog oracle backup : every hour
filesystem (vg00 or internal disk) backup : once a month, before applying patch and after applying patch
remember, online backup without archivelog backup (on Oracle system) is nothing.
and filesystem  (vg00 or internal disk) backup (usually using ignite backup) is important to maintain stable version of filesystem (vg00 or internal disk) which contain OS (HPUX) and other important files not stored on external storage.
hope it help you,
rgds,
Alfonsus Guritno

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    2. Export all the objects that you wish to keep.
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