Online Gaming and Latency

A couple of us here (my son and I) like to play World of Warcraft.
I'm using a MBP 2.4G with 4G ram and OS 10.5.6
My son uses a MDD Dual 1G with 2G ram and OS 10.5.6 and an ATI 9800 Pro video card.
My network is a combination wired/wireless. When everything is running well I'm happily playing wirelessly. I have been hard wired since the latency issue started in order to take the wireless out of the troubleshooting.
I have done all the normal troubleshooting I can come up with Including:
-Reboot router (Actiontec GT701-WG) and verified current firmware. (Reboot at least daily)
-Run permission repair, cache cleaning, maint scripts, including Disk Warrior
-Have flushed DNS cache
-Have done various game specific tasks - verifies my game files are good
-Have spoken with my ISP and, well, I'm not completely ignorant, but the 'speak' he uses with me is so far over my head, I can't imagine what it must sound like to someone more ignorant than me.
-I've been emailing game support without resolution 'yet'.
-I've been running traceroutes off and on all day everyday
Here is an example traceroute, note hops 8 and 9:
+1110PM 060609 BAD!!!!! 6000ms latency+
+Traceroute has started ...+
+traceroute to 12.129.224.112 (12.129.224.112), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets+
+1 * * *+
+2 65.75.196.129 (65.75.196.129) 45.632 ms 44.771 ms 43.231 ms+
+3 ip-colo-rtr0-todsl.ipinc.net (65.75.192.1) 44.261 ms 43.712 ms 43.333 ms+
+4 207.170.194.201 (207.170.194.201) 43.826 ms 42.971 ms 43.682 ms+
+5 peer-03-so-0-0-0-0.sttl.twtelecom.net (66.192.248.25) 46.688 ms 47.785 ms 46.171 ms+
+6 ge1-1-1-1000M.ar4.SEA1.gblx.net (67.17.109.249) 47.487 ms 46.661 ms 47.153 ms+
+7 192.205.33.237 (192.205.33.237) 47.983 ms 192.205.34.93 (192.205.34.93) 47.169 ms 192.205.33.237 (192.205.33.237) 47.492 ms+
+8 cr2.st6wa.ip.att.net (12.122.146.178) 79.614 ms * 1175.552 ms+
+9 * * cr1.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.28.33) 409.047 ms+
+10 cr1.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.3.122) 77.428 ms 77.929 ms 80.495 ms+
+11 gar5.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.122.128.25) 88.029 ms 76.059 ms 76.741 ms+
+12 12.122.255.74 (12.122.255.74) 77.464 ms 76.538 ms 77.751 ms+
+13 mdf001c7613r0003-gig-10-1.lax1.attens.net (12.129.193.242) 76.843 ms 77.544 ms 77.568 ms+
+14 * *+
The traceroutes show very bad hops somewhere in the line 90% of the time. Sometimes it is hop 2, sometimes in hop 13 and sometimes an in between hop. Occasionally I get a good traceroute, but it seems if I run two back to back one of them is bad.
Bottom line at the moment is .... I'm feeling like the monkey in the middle. ISP pointing at WoW and WoW pointing at ISP.
Any suggestions please. I'm at my limit concerning my knowledge.

Hello Bradley,
In a learning curve here, entered a few of the terminal commands with varying results - some commands not found others 'apparently' functioning. which and which mtr were both 'command not found' while locate mtr produced a list that I removed results which I could see weren't relevant (stuff regarding displays and other apps unrelated). How am I doing? I found a link I'[ll have to go back and have a look regarding 'extensive help' for mtr. I have another 'mentor' helping me with FrameSeer to get to a relevant server to inspect. Apparently the server I have been tracing to is a login server and not a game server.
mbp:~ buz$ sudo mtr
sudo: mtr: command not found
mbp:~ buz$ which mtr
mbp:~ buz$ locate mtr
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.include.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.local.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.release.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.root.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.usr.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.var.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/BSD.x11.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/Darwin.root.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/Darwin.usr.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/Darwin.var.dist
/Developer/Makefiles/CoreOS/ReleaseControl/mtree/README
/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versi ons/A/Headers/i386/mtrr.h
/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versio ns/A/Headers/i386/mtrr.h
/System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versions/A/Headers/i386/mtrr.h
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/numpy /random/mtrand.so
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/wx-2. 8-mac-unicode/wx/lib/customtreectrl.py
/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Extras/lib/python/wx-2. 8-mac-unicode/wx/lib/customtreectrl.pyc
/System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/share/ri/1.8/system/F ileUtils/rmtree-i.yaml
/System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/share/ri/1.8/system/P athname/rmtree-i.yaml
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreUI.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AquaUI.b undle/Contents/Resources/resizesmtranslucent.png
/usr/sbin/mtree
/usr/share/man/man8/mtree.8
/usr/share/man/man8/mtree.8.gz
/usr/share/zsh/4.2.3/functions/_mtr
/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/_mtr
mbp:~ buz$ sudo mtr www.yahoo.com
sudo: mtr: command not found
mbp:~ buz$ mtr www.yahoo.com
-bash: mtr: command not found
mbp:~ buz$ traceroute www.yahoo.com
traceroute to www-real.wa1.b.yahoo.com (209.131.36.158), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 * * *
2 65.75.196.129 (65.75.196.129) 94.666 ms 92.091 ms 62.777 ms
3 ip-colo-rtr0-todsl.ipinc.net (65.75.192.1) 43.509 ms 43.279 ms 43.465 ms
4 207.170.194.201 (207.170.194.201) 43.390 ms 43.179 ms 43.565 ms
5 peer-02-so-0-0-0-0.palo.twtelecom.net (64.129.248.19) 61.005 ms 58.430 ms 58.572 ms
6 ae1-p140.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.53) 58.590 ms ae0-p150.msr2.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.73) 58.254 ms ae1-p140.msr1.sp1.yahoo.com (216.115.107.53) 59.021 ms
7 te-9-1.bas-a2.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.23) 59.692 ms te-8-1.bas-a1.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.17) 59.194 ms te-9-1.bas-a2.sp1.yahoo.com (209.131.32.23) 59.471 ms
8 * * *
^C
mbp:~ buz$

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      0                                           Angel-HP.home [192.168.1.2]
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