ONS 15454 ML Card Question

I have an ONS 15454 with an ML-100
and an ML-1000 installed. I hav
e a WAN on the ML-100 that I would like to
add a spur to from the ML-1000. How can I accomplish th
is?
Thanks,

Hi Colin,
so you want to add two more ONS devices in an existing ring.
if you can provide a topology it will be helpful,
if you just want to add two more ONS in existing ring, it will no cause any issues,
we just have to take care of circuits and need to build them from TL1 in these new nodes.
but please send topology to get an clear view.

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Native fibre channel using SL cards on ONS 15454.

Greetings,
I normally hang out in the Storage Networking forum but I thought this would be a good spot to ask a question.
We current have a dark fibre connection between our sites and have issues with our Brocade switches (yeah, they should be MDS) with buffer zero problems. We want to add more bandwidth for our ISL's and we have a couple of ONS 15454's hanging around in racks in our datacentres.. I have been looking at the SL cards for the 15454 and would like to know if anyone has had success with them. I need to do synchronous True Copy between the storage at both sites for a new project. We are using async now but that wont be good enough.
Any comments would be welcome.
Stephen

Stephen,
I don't have any SL cards in production, but do have ML cards, and a myriad of TXP/MXP's on MSTP platforms.
I can tell you, the ML card does a decent job with distance extension is turned on. I have a few STS-24's extended across 400-500KM span lengths for TAPE drives across ML cards and see consistently high throughput.
Measured latency across a 70km span was about 600us with an ML card. Pretty close to an equivalent circuit built across a Muxponder.
I would venture to say, the only concern that you may have with synchronous replication is the latency.
Regards,
Tom.

ONS 15454 design question

I have an ONS 15454 with 2 OC192 circuits that terminate into it. One goes to a downstream ONS and another to the upstream.
I need to extend the existing ring to 2 more ONS devices, but I am not sure if it is going to work the way I want it to.
Right now, each VTS24 circuit on the OC192 is associated with a POS interface on the ML1000 cards. So POS1 goes upstream, POS0 downstream (unprotected). The ML1000 is int turn trunked to a 3750 L3 switch that has the bridge groups and layer 3 addressing assigned. This is Ring0
I need to extend this ring, so obviously I will need 2 additional OC192 cards, but do these new circuits need to be associated with new POS interfaces? In other words, will I need 2 additional ML1000 cards, and if so, how would I trunk to the switch? Am I going to get into some loopy topology here?
I am new to this system, so any advice would be great.

Hi Colin,
so you want to add two more ONS devices in an existing ring.
if you can provide a topology it will be helpful,
if you just want to add two more ONS in existing ring, it will no cause any issues,
we just have to take care of circuits and need to build them from TL1 in these new nodes.
but please send topology to get an clear view.

ONS 15454 SDH with 2 ML cards connected to the same RPR

I was wondering if I could connect 2 ML cards installed in the same ONS 15454 to the same RPR ring. Thanks!

Bob,
If you are wanting to tie the ML100 and the ML1000 into the same RPR Ring, then you have do do it with the POS interfaces.
For Example:
ML 100 POS 0 - North Microwave
ML 100 POS 1 - connect RPR to ML 1000 POS 0
ML 1000 POS 1 - South Microwave
North Microwave connects RPR to South Microwave
This creates a single Loop or Ring
It sounds like you are using your ML1000 as a Spur to another location. In order to create an RPR ring, you must have the cards physically connected to each other in a continuous ring.
Aaron Reed
Carrier Escalation - Cisco Optical TAC

1:1 Card Protection ONS 15454

Hi All,
I am trying to understand the reason why the protect card/port shouldn't be in OOS(Out of service) to avoid any traffic loss even though the protect card is not switching traffic in ONS 15454 as stated below
"When a protection switch moves traffic from the DS3-12 working/active card to the DS3-12 protect/standby card, ports
on the new active/standby card cannot be taken out of service as long as traffic is switched. Lost traffic can result
when a port is taken out of service even if the DS3-12 standby card no longer carries traffic."
Thanking You
Regards
Anantha Subramanian Natarajan

rick,
kindly look into the below link
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/optical/ps2006/products_technical_reference_chapter09186a00808a8f68.html
Regards
Anantha Subramanian Natarajan

CTC shows a card that isn`t instaled on the ONS 15454

On the ONS 15454 I have a TCC2P card on slot 11, slot 7 is empty, but when i access the CTC i see the card on slot 11 in white, and i also see a TCC2P card on slot 7 in light blue, so how can i stop ctc showing the card on slot 7

you can't do that, thats how the system is designed.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/optical/ps2006/products_field_notice09186a0080094887.shtml

Mixing SONET/DWDM Cards in a ONS 15454

All,
To my understanding, there are some limitations to mixing SONET line cards with DWDM line cards in the same ONS 15454 chassis. I believe one of the limitations had to do with the line card placement versus a OSC-M and OSC. I can't remember the draw backs of doing the above, but there was some negative.
Are there any more draw backs, limitaitons or gotchas?
Also, generally, the optical engineers I spoke to recommended never mixing the cards and keeping them in seperate chassis.

Hello Jason,
Mixing SONET/SDH and DWDM functions in the same chassis is a supported configuration on the ONS 15454 platform.
As was stated in the other posts, you would have to install the SONET/SDH crossconnect cards in the chassis in order to have the HO/LO functionality.
You are right, that there is an impact on the card placement in the chassis, however you can force the planning tool (Cisco TransportPlanner) to leave the required slots for the XC cards empty when designing the DWDM network.
The model described so far is what is commonly referred to as a "hybrid" node.
There is one other element in the toolchest however - The ADM-on-a-Blade (see http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/prod/collateral/optical/ps5724/ps2006/ps5320/product_data_sheet0900aecd805f0e80.html). This network element is an integrated part of the DWDM personality of the ONS 15454 and provides SONET/SDH switching and client ports on the blade. Please note however, that this network element provides only a high-order crossconnect.
It is generally true that one would usually keep SONET/SDH network elements in separate chassis. However, from a network management perspective these separate chassis can form a single node.
Hope that helps
/Dirk

ONS 15454 Back Plane DS1 Cable Question...

Do the DS1 connectors on the back plane of the ONS 15454 mate with screw down AMP Champ connectors or with Bail Lock AMP Champ connectors? The documentation seems to be ambiguous. The part number listed for the connector is a Bail Lock type connector, but the drawings and the last paragraph in section 1.11.2 of the Hardware Installation document suggest it is a Screw Down connector.

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If anyone else in the forum has some experience with this issue, please reply to this thread.
Thank you for posting.

Upgrade ONS 15454 M12 TCC2P from 9.4.03 to 10.0.11

Hello,
quick question.
I have in my lab one M12 subrack with only-one TCC2P card and I try to prepare software upgrade in customer network.
I read all procedures at: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/optical/15000r/upgrade/guide/b-454a10-0-1-upgrade.html
My troubles started at point where I can select node where the software must be downloaded. The window is empty.
Target version is "ons15454.DWDM.Lite.K9.R10011.pkg".
Any idea?
Thanks
kvapa

Hi Emyrsonn,
I hope this ONS 15454 upgrade tool can help you answering all your questions
http://www.cisco.com/web/techdoc/optical/15000r/upgrade/guide/ons-upgrade.html
It seems like you should be able to directly upgrade from 9.1.x to 9.2.2.
Please let me know if you have any comments on that.
Hope it helps!

ONS 15454 MSPP Recommendation

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ONS 15454 Recommendations
Hello Guys,
Just looking for some recommendations / best practices from experienced ONS 15454 engineers for the following questions.
Scenario:
There are 2 sites located 130 km away from one to the other and we want to provide a wan connectivity via ONS 15454.
Questions:
1. The ethernet / DWDM modules preferred
2. The typical wave length will be used -- 1550 or 1310?
3. What are the speeds supported on the modules?
4. What should be the recommended max losses / power budget for 130 km for Cisco ONS to work properly?
5. Any specific recommendations.
Thanks & Regards
Jay

1. The ethernet / DWDM modules preferred
GE_XPE, 10GE_XPE, OTU2_XP, ML cards,
CE-Series 10-Port Multirate Ethernet Card, 10DME, MXP, 10x10 there are lot of cards depends on your requirement, line rates coming from WAN device, types of module present on WAN side.
2. The typical wave length will be used -- 1550 or 1310?
depends if you looking for a SDH/SONET solution, will say 1550, if DWDM than it will be composite siganal with MUX/DMUX.
3. What are the speeds supported on the modules?
10mbps, 100Mbps, 1000Mbps, 1Gig, 10Gig, 40gig and 100Gig depends on your requirement :-)
4. What should be the recommended max losses / power budget for 130 km for Cisco ONS to work properly?
around 35dB to 39dB of span loss, looks you need amplification.
5. Any specific recommendations.
we need to discuss your requiremnets, there are lot of sloution available.

Cisco ONS 15454 SONET MSPP

I am doing a school research project in which I am setting up an OC-192 ring for a company (contract work through AT&T). I have chosen to use the Cisco ONS 15454 SONET MSPP as my platform. The company currently has locations in Chicago and Philadelphia and connects them through an OC-12C ATM connection and they are looking to add 2 gigabit ethernet connections.
My question is what cards and parts will I need for the Cisco ONS 15454 SONET MSPP, and how much will everything cost? I have been searching the internet for components and prices and I have found it extremely difficult to find any information. Any help or tips anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated.

Nick,
You can find the HW specifications for various ethernet cards for the 15454 at the following location.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/optical/15000r9_1/15454/sdh/reference/guide/454e91_ethernetcards.htmlhttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/optical/15000r9_1/15454/sdh/reference/guide/454e91_refer.html
To make sense of it all, you need to contact a Cisco sales/account represetative to help you analyze your needs, design your network and put together a price list for the appropriate cards.
If you are interested, I can get someone from the sales/account team to contact you. Please contact me directly with your contact information and geographic location so I can find the appropriate sales/account to help you. Please do not post your personal information directly to the forum.
[email protected]
-Steve Noyes

15454 Multishelf Networking Question

I have a concern with the way a vendor setup the network for our two 15454's. Unfortunately this vendor is acting like a car dealer and doesn't want to answer/respond to our questions about the setup. Below is my concern/question that I sent to our vendor to no avail and hoping someone on here can help out. I have also attached a simple diagram of the physical setup:
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I have put a diagram together of the current physical setup and it shows the Travis ONS is going from its Slot 11 to Switch 2 Port 0/2 (VLAN2) and Slot 7 is going to Switch 1 port 0/2 (VLAN2). Both ports which are on VLAN 2. Then you have the Main ONS Slot 7 going to Switch 1 port 0/1(VLAN1) and Slot 11 going to Switch 2 port 0/1(VLAN1) which is a trunking port with no native VLAN set so it defaults to VLAN1. Not sure why this port is setup to trunk unless it was meant to be used to connect to our network and the Slot 11 and 7 of the Main ONS was supposed to plug into another port.
So right now I see that the Main ONS is only talking on VLAN 1 and the Travis ONS is only talking on VLAN 2. Is this how it should be setup? Also, does there have to be multiple VLANS as of now I don't see why we would need to have two VLANs setup. We normally use VLAN 2 for management purposes and would like to continue to do that. And we have heard talk of a heartbeat between the two ONS. What VLAN/Port is the heartbeat taking place on if there is actually one occurring?
Thanks in advance

Jeremy,
Depending on what version of software you are running and if you are only using the 15454 M12 chassis (17 slot) and not the M2 or M6 Chassis, you can select which VLANs to use when you configure the MSTP shelf for mult-shelf.
See the following 9.2 MSTP Documentation:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/optical/15000r9_2/dwdm/procedure/guide/454d92_turnupnode.html#wp398430
Step 1 Complete the "DLP-G46 Log into CTC" task on page 3-30 at the node that you want to configure as a multishelf node.
Step 2 If you want to set up the login node as the node controller, complete the following steps. If not, continue with Step 3.
a. In node view (single-node mode) or multishelf view (multishelf mode), click the Provisioning > General > Multishelf Config tabs.
b. Click Enable as Node Controller.
c. From the LAN Config drop-down list, complete one of the following:
•Choose Ethernet Switch if MS-ISC-100T cards or the Catalyst 2950 or the Catalyst 3560 switches are already installed and configured. Choose the public VLAN ID and private VLAN ID for the ONS 15454 multishelf node. In case of an ONS 15454 M6, the public VLAN ID and private VLAN ID are static (1 and 2 respectively).
Note Public VLAN ID is used by the node controller to communicate with the external network. Private VLAN ID is used by the node controller to communicate with the subtending shelves.
The default is VLAN IDs 1 & 2 and it is assumed that you are using dedicated switches for the Multi-shelf configuration. If you are using the switches for other purposes, then it is assumed that you are not using VLANs 1 or 2.
If you are not using the M2 or M6 chassis, you should be able to go back and reprovision your multi-shelf configuration in CTC to use different VLANs, and of course make the corresponding changes on your switches as well.
Aaron Reed
Carrier Escalation - Cisco Optical TAC

ONS 15454 MSTP Client Connection Options

Hi!
Have questions regarding client connection options to ONS 15454 MSTP. FYI, I have experience on ONS 15540 ESPx and I usually connect client to the ONS using transponder like this
ONS 15540 ESPx
Client<->transponder<->OADM<->OADM<->transponder<->client
I am new to ONS 15454 MSTP and from the reference manual I understand that the it can be configured as hub, passive oadm, anti ase etc. My questions is how does the client get connected to each of this configurations
For example, for a passive or amplified nodes the client connections would be like this
ONS 15454 MSTP
client<->transponder<->OADM<->OA<->OA<->OADM<->transponder<->client
What about hub nodes where mux/demux card are used, where does the client connect,I do understand that these cards have to be used in pairs.
As always,appreciate your expert opinions and if you can point me to a web link that would be even better. Many Thanks.

In both cases, the client (assuming it has a non-ITU output) will connect via a transponder or muxponder card. This takes the client signal and converts (with multiplexing in the muxponder case) the client signal into an ITU wavelength.
On the MSTP, the ITU port on the transponder/muxponder is then physically patched into the appropriate port on either ROADM, OADM or Mux/Demux cards.
To directly answer your question, on a hub node equipped with Mux/Demux cards, the Tx from the Transponder is connected to the Mux card, and the Rx connected to the Demux. Likewise, at the node where the wavelength is dropped (eg at an OADM site), there will be an equivalent transpoder connected to the OADM module (Tx and Rx at wavelength xyz).
The transponders/muxponders may be in the same shelf, separate shelves, or you may use a direct ITU connection from devices such as a DWDM GBIC, an SDH DWDM card or 10GE XENPAK from Catalyst 6500.
As long as you have designed the network to take the appropriate interface types into account, you should be fine.

ONS 15454 error message

Hi Expert,
I have a problem with ONS 15454 error message. My CTM server detected MINOR error message "Peer to Peer Slot Communication Failure". Affected object is SLOT-1 which is OPT_BST. The alarm ID is 200551. What caused this error appear and any workaround to solve this problem?. Your kind attention is much appreciated.

Although the following alarm is not identical to the one you identified, this seems to indicate the a peer "communication failure" is hardware related.
2.5.237 PEER-NORESPONSE
Default Severity: Major (MJ), Non-Service-Affecting (NSA)
Logical Object: EQPT
The switch agent raises a Peer Card Not Responding alarm if either traffic card in a protection group does not receive a response to the peer status request message. PEER-NORESPONSE is a software failure and occurs at the task level, as opposed to a communication failure, which is a hardware failure between peer cards.
Hope this helps....

Cisco ONS 15454 SDH

Hi,
i have 3 sites connecting together with SDH 15454 site A-B with STM-1 and from site B-C STM-16,i want to Aggregated hand-off E1's from Site A-C so site B will be trasparet site for this link.
to be source of link on site A and Drop on site C.
any help to achive this.
there is already cricte between site B-C.

You will need to verify that the cross-connect card in the ONS 15454 (sites B & C) have VC-12 grooming capabilities (XC-VXL and CX-VXC will support VC-12 grooming).
The ONS is designed to groom lower rate signals to higher rate speed lines. Thus, you should be able to aggregate the E1s from the ISPs STM1 with the E1s from Site B and drop them at Site C.
You will need to add an STM1 card(s) to Site B. Your ISP will need to provide the mapping structure of the STM1, so you can understand where the VC-12s, which contain the E1s, are located in the payload. You will then create circuits to map each E1 (the incoming VC-12s within VC3/VC4) from you ISPs STM1 at Site B, to the appropriate VC-12 on the outgoing STM16 line heading toward Site C. At Site C, you will need to map the VC-12s on the STM16 line to the appropriate port on an E1 line card.
I hope this helps. Otherwise, you will need to have someone locally assist you in the explanation.
Tom

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