Onscreen Proofing Bug

I found a bug with aperture's onscreen proofing. I when enable the app crashes repeatedly. I frustratingly tried to figure out what was causing the crashes until I remembered I had turned on proofing. After disabling it aperture runs fine. I am using a 17" iMac core duo 1.5GB RAM.

I doubt this is a bug; there must be a configuration error on your machine. Perhaps you have a corrupted colorsync profile.
There are problems with onscreen proofing and how it displays for many people, but what you're mentioning (it just flat out crashes all the time) isn't something that's widely reported, and plenty of people have tried it. I suggest you go to /Library/Colorsync/Profiles and see if there's something wacky there.

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Bad Posterization With Onscreen Proofing

Hey Everybody,
I just recently got Aperture and I LOVE it.
I'm only having one problem: I shoot RAW with my EOS 5D and need to output in the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 color space. I know I should have Onscreen Proofing turned on set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 in order to correctly adjust my images for printing, but when this feature is turned on, the images in the preview pane show SEVERE posterization and poor image quality. Can anyone help me out with this?
Thanks,
Nick
iMac Intel Core Duo 20" Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Thanks for the input so far. The color profile I'm
using for proofing is sRGB IEC 61966-2.1. This is
because I don't print at home and my photo lab
requests all files to be in this color profile.
Even if you submit your files in sRGB for printing, using that for proofing will not help you understand what a print will look like, because most printers do not have as wide a color space as even sRGB. That merely helps them not have to do profile conversion before printing.
You need to either get a profile from them, or figure out what printer they use and find a profile for that yourself.
The weird thing is that when I export the image, it
doesn't seem to have that posterization. It's only on
the preview in Aperture.
I'm not sure why you get this effect, I don't get anything very noticable when I use the IEC61966-2.1 sRGB profile.
If I can think of any reason to proof for sRGB, the only one would be perhaps to see what an image might look like on a web page after exporting to that space. Still you should not see posteization you do not see outside Aperture after exporting.

Printer Profiles and Onscreen proofing

Is there a way to adjust the options for Onscreen Proofing with ICC profiles in Aperture?
I downloaded and installed the Premium ICC printer profiles for the Epson Stylus Photo R2400 printer and have noticed an issue when I use Onscreen Proofing with these profiles, especially the matte ones. The screen display is muted as if the contrast is lowered and the colors compressed. I viewed the same image in Photoshop with Proof Colors and did not see this problem until I turned Simulate Paper Color on in the Customize Proof Condition dialog. Then the image took on the same appearance. Interestingly, the problem does not occur when I use the Epson profiles that are installed by default with the software that comes with the printer. The images print fine in Aperture (better than from Photoshop) using either the premium or default profile. I just can't use the premium profiles for onscreen proofing.
The bottom line is that the Epson Premium ICC printer profiles appear to be incorrectly built and do not simulate paper color accurately. In addition, Aperture appears to simulate paper color by default and I can't find a way to turn it off. This is unfortunate since the default Epson profiles, which are less accurate for printing, provide more accurate onscreen proofing.
Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5 Mac OS X (10.4.6) 2.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM, NVIDIA 7800GT

I'm having the same issue and would love here a solution.
Tim

Onscreen Proofing issue

I am trying to find a way to use the Onscreen Proofing feature in Aperture in a similar way to the technique that can be used in Photoshop to adjust the proofed image to match the original.
In Aperture I duplicate the version I wish to print.
I select the original and the duplicate versions such that the duplicate is the primary image and both images are displayed in the Viewer.
I choose a proofing profile for the paper I intend to use and enable Onscreen Proofing.
At this point BOTH images change slightly even though I have the Primary Only feature enabled.
What I want is to have only the duplicate version change when Onscreen Proofing is enabled so that I can adjust it to match the original version.
Is this possible?
Paul

No, not possible.
Proofing is enabled (for everything), or proofing is not enabled. It's not set on an image-by-image basis.

Onscreen proof very different than photoshop.

I just installed the various ICC profiles for my new Epson R2400 printer that are available on Epson's support web site. When I display a photo and use one of these ICC profiles for Onscreen Proofing as the Proofing Profile the image becomes horribly washed out. At first I thought "oh, you just can't compete with real light RGB" but they were pretty bad. So I opened the photos into CS2 and used the same ICC profile as a Proof Setup and did the same Proof Colors. Now in CS2 there was a very slight change - more of what you'd expect in a true proof. Now I haven't printed yet but I'm wondering if I should do all my printing from CS2 rather than Aperture. Or will the outputs be the same and there is just something wrong with the way Aperture proofs on screen. Thanks.
-Josh

Well I printed my first picture on my new R2400 using aperture directly. I used the Premium Glossy paper that came with the printer and I used the PremGlossyRPM ICC profile. Spectacular. Came out better than I thought, and definitely better than the Apple printed 8x10 I had ordered. So I'll just ignore soft proofing.
I loved Endura surface E. Any paper advice?

Black point compensation for onscreen proofing

Hi there,
In Aperture, is there any way to turn Black point compensation on for onscreen proofing (i.e. not using the export procedure, where this actually is available)? This option is available in Photoshop, for example.

Stephan,
I'd like to print photos via the web, and therefore
want to export the photos as JPEGs. I just checked
the options in the export preset panel, and realised
that one can select "Black Point Compensation" as an
option for the export.
Does anyone have any experience with this setting?
It's a fairly reliable fix if your test prints come back with murky shadows.
Should one use it, if one doesn't know the printer in
use?
I don't know of a good way to optimize files for unknown printers. I'd recommend getting a profile for the printer/paper combo used by your lab and soft-proofing on your Mac. Have you calibrated your screen, etc.?
The soft proof will get you in the ballpark. Definitely order small (8x10 or so) test print before laying out long green for a poster-sized one.
Cheers,
Andreas

Proofing bug with multiple monitors (InDesign & Acrobat on Mac)

Software:
InDesign CS3 5.0.3 and Acrobat Professional 8.1.2 (Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.4)
Both application does not compensate the onscreen colors when moving document windows to another screen.
I have three monitors: Eizo ColorEdge CG220, 30-inch Apple Cinema Display and 17-inch Apple Studio Display.
The 30-inch Apple Cinema Display is my default monitor (with the menubar). But the Eizo ColorEdge is my color-proofing screen. To get correct onscreen colors on the ColorEdge I have to set it as the default monitor in System Settings. That's a hassle. I hope this bug will be fixed.
Photoshop handles this perfectly.

AlFerrari,
My Mac Pro has two graphics card. The 30-inch uses the first one, and the Eizo and 17-inch shares the second card. The graphic cards are identical.
Gernot,
Photoshop refreshes the colors when releasing the mouse button after dragging a window from another screen. Acrobat and InDesign does not.

Onscreen Proofing Profiles Missing

"Aperture provides several dozen profiles that match the characteristics of many printers, screen devices, and color spaces." according to the bottom of page 125 in the online manual. However, the only profiles I have listed in Aperture's View/Proofing Profile menu are ones provided with the OS and others I have installed in Library/Colorsync/Profiles. So, how do I get these "dozens of profiles" to appear? My original install was Aperture 1.1 to a MacBook Pro 2GHz 15" running OS 10.4.5. I'm currently running Aperture 1.1.2 in OS 10.4.7.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Ken Seibert

This is a well-document bug.
If you do a search through the proofing threads, you will find a simlar thread to this.
Fortunately, I have provided a temporary solution to this bug. It seems as though Aperture does not like profiles that are set to the "display" class. In order to have Aperture use the profile correctly, you must manually change the profile that is giving you trouble, i.e. sRGB from "display" class to "output" class. Once this is done, Aperture will show images correctly when using it as a proof.
Be sure to duplicate the profile that you wish to change and rename it, i.e. web-proofing or something to that effect.
You can download the software to change the profile class from fuji film as they have a demonstration package that you can use temporarily to do this.
Good luck.

Onscreen proofing and printing

Apologies if this has been covered previously, but I'm slightly confused about proofing.
Assume for a moment that I have a correctly calibrated screen. Let's say I've noticed quite a difference between the appearance of my onscreen and printed images. Let's also assume that I have a profile which allows me to soft proof the onscreen image to give me an idea of what it will look like when printed - and that this profile better matches what I'm seeing in my printed images. Shouldn't I, therefore, do all of my image adjustment (colour balance, brightness / contrast etc.) with this profile loaded ? It seems obvious to me, but I haven't seen this specifically mentioned anywhere.
Or - am I missing something ?
Paul

Yes, you are correct. If you are targeting a specific output device, it is best to edit the image while soft-proofing to that device. This will allow you to achieve the best results.
Cheers

Soft proofing bug on my computer

I find that if I soft proof an image and create the soft proof copy that if I change paper types the display will change but the info display still shows the original paper that was selected. Not a big deal, because I can look at the panel and see what paper is being used. This is on my Windows 7 desktop with 8 GB RAM.

More information is needed to be able to offer any help.
1. What version of Mac OS X are you running? Click the black Apple icon on the top left and select About This Mac.
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Cropping bug: part of image goes black

A strange problem which cropped up after installing 3.2, and remains after re-installing 3.2.
When I go to crop a vertical image, the top 1/3 of the image goes black. I can still select what I want (guessing for the border in the black part) and, when I complete the crop, I get the whole image I want, with no black.
Interestingly, if I rotate the vertical to horizontal, I can crop with no black part. So I can use that to crop, and then rotate back to vertical. But there's clearly a bug here.
Any suggestions?

You are probably experiencing the crop and or onscreen proofing bug that was introduced with AP 3.2 update. It is summarized well in the posts on this page:
http://www.apertureexpert.com/
We need to wait for Apple to fix this one (or you can look at some of the other posts in this forum for reverting back to 3.1.3 until the fix is issued).

Onscreen posterization

In Aperture, and only in Aperture, I get really dramatic posterization in the shadows of my images (both raw and jpg.) The same file, opened in any other application shows a smooth transition. In fact, even if I open the file in external editor from Aperture, the opened file has smooth transitions.
At first I thought I might have an onscreen proofing problem, so I checked that and I am confident that onscreen proofing is disabled. Is there anything else that might be going on to cause display problems? (This happens on both my primary and secondary monitor, if that matters.) Both of my monitors are freshly calibrated w/ xrite hardware.

Sean, I'm right there with you - I'm still having that exact same problem myself.
I've turned off the proofing, cleared the preferences - everything - Yet, I'm still having the same posterization issues myself, still. Once again, It's not on every single photo - but just most of them, particulary the darker ones, but I've had perfectly exposed images (without much darkness) do the same thing.
I've already upgraded to 1.1 as well, but STILL having the same crazy issues.
I did however read on some other Aperture forums & OSX forums, that it's really looking like it's the 'OSX 10.4.6' update that's causing most of these issues - PLUS, many others in other programs. Apparently another issue with the new 10.4.6 update is it's sometimes causing the 'dock' to not open applications 'automatically' (where it does the little 'bounce') - instead, you have to open them by right-clicking on them, and open them manually. Oddly enough, after reading that & about 6 hours later, guess what? - mine started doing it as well.
This is just what I've read in other forums concerning these issues, and most of them seem to be pointing the finger at the OSX 10.4.6 'bug'. Who knows?
At least you're not alone on this one.
Please keep us posted if you or anyone else in here, hears the 'fix' on this one. It sure would be nice to use Aperture to it's fullest potential. For a flagship 'photo imaging' program like Aperture, - 'posterization' is pretty much one of the LAST things one would want to plague a program like this. That's about like saying, "I just bought this new, 12 mega-pixel DSLR camera, but it ONLY shoots in 'sepia' mode, not color - other than that, the camera works great!
I'll let you know if I read or hear of anything alse myself.
*(ps) I went to my local Apple store yesterday & told the people there about this issue & they said they had never heard of it or had any problems like it from Aperture. I took the guy over to one of their powermac G5's & opened a stock image in the external editor (CS2), and on the 3rd try - there it went, right in front of the sales rep. (He couldn't beleive it either!) he made an immediate call to Apple headquarters, & they DID tell him that OSX 10.4.6, WERE starting to get a lot of 'bug' issues reported -worldwide. This also included the 'posterization' issue within Aperture, but apparently, there's a lot more problems going on with 10.4.6, then even we've all heard of.
I just hope that they can get this problem fixed as soon as possible for all of us who are having to deal with this little bug.

Unconsistency concerning level adjustment, master display and proofing

I'm opening a new thread on this since the other one (here) is already marked as answered claiming that Aperture 1.5.4 solves the problem, when in fact it does not. Here is my problem description which I also just submitted as a bug report:
Without any adjustments made, the display of the working copy does not match the display of the master image. The most prominent feature of this difference is that the shadow areas appear lighter in the master.
Now checking the level adjustment box, but without actually moving any slider there, already changes the appearence and histrogram of the working copy. It appears now to be the same as the master. Unchecking the box darkens the shadows again most the time, but not always.
With an unchecked levels box and in fullscreen mode with the film stripe automatically hidden, moving the mouse to the filmstrip so that it appears sometimes has the same effect on the image as checking the levels box, but not always.
Also, enabling onscreen-proofing with the color profile of the monitor (which effectively should change the working color space to that profile) makes the master image appear to be the same as the working copy without the level adjustment box checked.
To summarize, we have the following correspondecies
Light shadows:
- master display with onscreen-proofing disabled
- working copy without any adjustments, but level box checked
- sometimes working copy in fullscreen mode with mouse over automatically hidden film stripe
Dark shadows:
- master display with onscreen-proofing using the monitor display
- working copy without any adjustments, level box unchecked
I use a Canon 300D in RAW mode. Since exporting and displaying images in a viewer seems to show the "light shadows" version, my first idea for a work-around was to select all images without level adjustments and add a "null-adjustment" to them (level box checked, but sliders not moved). Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a way to make this kind of selection automatically (e.g. by using a filter), or am I missing something here? Any ideas on this are highly appreciated.
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ewaller wrote:
I bet you are fighting with Pulseaudio. KDE now pulls it in and uses it (IIRC).
Pulse audio allows the control of audio levels on a source by source basis. The master volume and balance are set in Pulse audio. Amixer output is just one of the sources available, and the volume setting is the relative volume of the source, but pulseaudio defines the maximum level for each source and scales it accordingly.
Try emerging pavucontrol and see if the controls in there make any sense. It also provides audio level meters on a source by source basis (They really don't behave like broadcast Vu or Peak-power meters -- but that is not terribly important)
Well after reading this I checked to see if pulse was installed but the only thing that was listed as being installed was libpulse. It doesn't seem like pulse audio is installed, so I don't think this is my issue.

Soft proofing in Aperture

Is it possible to apply a printer profile in Aperture to soft proof an image, then adjust color settings, hue/saturation, etc, in Aperture and then export that profiled image into Photoshop for final image management before sending the image to my ImagePrint RIP software for printing on my 2200?
Thank you.

First, go to "View --> Proofing Profile -->" and select the printer profile you want to use.
Then, do "View --> Onscreen Proofing" which will then have a check mark next to it.
Be careful to remember you're in "proofing" mode, or you may get confused. I spent a whole day, wondering why all my images were B&W, before realizing I had a grayscale profile selected and "Onscreen Proofing" on.

Color (onscreen/print) issues after update to 10.4.9

I am on the hunt for any new information - I haven't found it yet. I am convinced that one printer profile has gone haywire after the OSX 10.4.9 update. I can no longer use it accurately to onscreen proof nor application manage print in Aperture. The other printer profiles seem to be working. Using PSE4 I get the same preview and print results - major yellow/orange colorcast. My other two printers are working ok.
I understand proofing may/will present a shift in lightness, contrast, etc. and you can create an Aperture version to make adjustments for that profile. But I am experiencing a major shift that is difficult to adjust in the overall image.
Has anyone experienced "all of a sudden" icc profile / onscreen proofing / printer issues after the update (FYI ColorSync was updated in that)? I have tried just about everything except un/reinstalling Aperture.

Did you find out anything about this? I'm having exactly the same problems with Aperture and 10.4.9. Onscreen proofing is completely useless for all profiles supplied by HP (I have a B9180 printer). It might of course be an issue with these particular profiles, but odd thing is that it's only the screen rendering that looks wrong (yellow or reddish cast) while the prints looks just great.

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