Oops! Deleted Referenced Masters

I think I've made a mistake I can't undo, but figured I'd check.
Been slowly bringing some photos into Aperture, including some recent wrestling pictures that were in a folder on the desktop. My intention has been to important them as managed images, but I think I brought these files in as referenced, and then in a rush to clean up my hard drive, I deleted the folder from the desktop. And I hadn't done any backing up yet! So now all I'm left with are images in the browser that look nice, will go full screen, but I can't do anything else with them (like email or export). I'm sunk, right?
Several lessons to be learned here (careful on referenced vs. managed, and of course, back up).

hello, michael
quote: "Been slowly bringing some photos into Aperture, including some recent wrestling pictures that were in a folder on the desktop. My intention has been to important them as managed images, but I think I brought these files in as referenced, and then in a rush to clean up my hard drive, I deleted the folder"
Boomerang
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3985833&#3985833
quote: ""I can't do anything else with them (like email or export). I'm sunk, right? ""
no, you're not sunk.
you can still drag the Previews out of the Browser to the Desktop and email them, print them etc. and/or reimport them in to Aperture (from the Desktop) as JPEGs or use them as references in iWork & iLife apps.
quote: "One more: why am I not seeing any badge on these referenced images?"
Metadata Overlay probably not switch on for the Browser.
View/Metadata Overlays/Grid
victor

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Everyone on this thread is doing way too much manual work...
There is a function in aperture for existing images under File->Relocate Masters that will automatically create a folder structure of your choosing for you. You can do this at anytime, and it is nearly impossible to screw it up, because you can always re-do it.
In fact it is so powerful, It makes sense for people with unorganized Hard drives to just import everything in place, set up their projects and organize their masters in aperture, then use File->Relocate masters to cleanup the filesystem side of things.
As far as importing new images, here is what you do:
1. Create your project.
2. Click Import.
3. On the right side, change "store files in" from "in the aperture library" to a "root" folder of your choosing. Example: Mine is set to "Media HD/Raw Masters".
4. Change the "subfolder" dropdown to either use one of the built in presets, or create one of your own. Example: Mine is set to "YYYY/Project Name". This is so I can easily view my master files by Year and then project name, so at the end of a year, I can easily archive these raw files and take them off my editing machine, but leave my library and projects all in tact.
Why, oh why would you want to use the finder to do your selects when its so much fast in aperture? Why manually create folder structures when the computer can do it for you?
The new aperture 3 import is even faster than photo mechanic, since it gives you almost immediate thumbnails to begin reviewing from the embedded JPGs in the raw files, while it copies the full masters in the background.
If this answers your question, please mark it as solved - If you have more questions, email me at "matthew at (my username lowercase no spaces) dot com". I will send you a "stock" email I send people with screenshots if needed.
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Changing Library into Referenced Masters

A dumb new to Aperture mistake!
I had been establishing my Aperture Library as Masters on an external HDD referenced from the Aperture Library in Pictures on my internal HDD.
Unfortunately when I decided to import my iPhoto Library I was distracted by phone calls etc and was rushing and I managed to import it to the external HDD but as an entirely new Aperture Library and NOT referenced from the Aperture Library on my internal HDD.
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Either way will work. You have a referenced Library on your internal HDD; the masters are in a folder on your external HDD.
When you imported your Iphoto library, you inadvertantly created a new managed library on your external HDD (the Mistake Library). The Mistake Library has your iPhoto masters inside of it.
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just delete the Mistake Library and reimport the iPhoto Library into your main Library on the internal HDD, making sure that you specify the iPhoto masters are to go in the right place on the external HDD. This is what you described above.
Either will work. The first option is probably a bit quicker though. Your way is simpler.
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