Oracle Meter Data Management Integration with SAP ISU

Hello Everyone,
I am aware of the fact that Oracle has released a Media pack for the subject integration as discussed here and that media pack works only for SAP ERP 6.0 EHP 5 with ISU_AMI_2.
We have got OU MDM Release 2.1 Media Pack v4 and SAP ERP 6.0 EHP 4 with ISU_AMI_1 and hence Adapter in MDM won't help to achieve integration with SAP as our SAP EHP is lower than what is required for the MDM adapter. We have got SAP PI which would help the SAP End in the integration.
What are the possible work-around(s) to achieve the integration between Oracle MDM and SAP ISU without using the Media Pack/Adapter?
How does MDM exposes its services (inbound/outbound) to be consumed/triggered by External systems (i.e. SAP ISU)?
List of Services (inbound/outbound) exposed by Oracle MDM for integration?
Your time and help is much appreciated.
Regards,
Adil Khalil

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HCM_ERC_CI_4
HCM_ERC_SES_1
HCM_TM_ANALYTICS_1
SAP ERP 6.0 HCM – EHP5
BF to be activated (soon):
HCM_MSS_ERC_CI_1
HCM_ASR_CI_1
HCM_ASR_CI_2
HCM_ASR_CI_3
HCM_HIRE_INT_CI_1
HCM_MSS_WDA_1
HCM_TMC_CI_2
HCM_PD_UI_1
Software Components:
EA-HR_MSS 1.0
SAP NetWeaver Interactive Forms by Adobe / Adobe Document Services.
SAP PI 7.31
Software Components:
XI CONTENT ERECRUIT 605
XI CONTENT EA-HR_605
SAP Enterprise Portal 7.31
Components to be installed now:
Business Package for Recruiter 1.51
Business Package for Recruiting Administrator 1.51
Business Package for Common Parts
Business Package for Manager Self-Service (SAP ERP) 1.51
Business Package for HR Administrator (SAP ERP) 1.51
Business Package MSS Add-On 1.0
TREX 7.1

Is the system being used internally only or do you plan to expose it to the Internet? Based on my past experience I would focus on architecture design, security including vulnerability scanning, performance, interoperability (especially different browsers and browser versions) and usability (neither the BSP nor the WDA UI is that user friendly). Of course if the system is used only internally, the involved effort is smaller.

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