Order Settlement (Ko88) Vs. Sales Order Settlement (VA88)

We would like to know what are the advantages and disadvantages of Production Order Settlement versus Sales Order Settlement.
What are the benefits between one and the other?
Please advice,
Thanks in advance,
Rio

Hello,
Thank you for replying.
We are an MTO Semiconductor manufacturing shop, High volume. somewhat repetitive but not frequent.
We have two clients:
Client 1 - Uses Standard Costing and Settles Production Orders to the Material itself.
Client 2 - Uses Actual Costing and Settles Production Orders to Sales Orders (automatic) then Settles Sales Orders to Profitability Analysi.
I'm hearing SAP does not recommend the process from Client 2 "Sales Order Settlement" because of the high volume of sales documents. still can't confirm this.
I would like to find out the following:
What are the Pros and Cons of Production order Settlement vs. Sales Order Settlement.
What are the reasons why one type of settlement is chosen over the other?
Also, I found some data from SAP Labs which relates to an Old Version of SAP, so I would like to know if this process is still current with Version 6.0
"...Settlement of the production order to the sales order is normally not required. The sales order item automatically picks up the cost incurred on the production order.
The production order must only be settled when:
- The production order is in a different company code than the sales order.
- The production order is a collective order
The sales order product cost processing will only pick up the cost on the top-level of a collective order, so the costs of the lower-level production orders must be settled to the highest level of the collective order..."
Please advice,
Rio

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There is an OSS note <a href="https://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/370988">Note 370988 - BAPIs in SD: Creation with reference</a>
Symptom
This note describes the problems of the 'Create with reference' function when using BAPIs to create sales documents.
If you are working online, you can use this function module to create a sales document with reference to an existing sales document or a billing document (for example, a debit or credit memo request) according to fixed rules. The rules for transferring information from the source document to the target document are defined in the copying control on header and item level. The creation with reference permits an item selection.
When you use BAPIs in SD, a function of this type is not fully available. A reference is only possible for a quantity contract, so that the target quantity of the contract can be reduced by the order quantity of the sales document. Furthermore, the document flow is also updated.
As an alternative to 'Create with reference' in Transaction VA01, two variants are provided for solving the 'Create with reference' problem in the BAPI.
 1. Create a '1:1 ' - that is, a document copy of a sales document (customer quotation, order) with 'BAPI_SALESDOCUMENT_COPY'. At this point, you cannot create the 1:1 copy of either a billing document or a delivery.
 2. Create a sales document that refers to an existing document with 'BAPISDORDER_GETDETAILEDLIST' and 'BAPI_SALESORDER_CREATEFROMDAT2'.
Other terms
BAPI_SALESDOCUMENT_COPY, BAPI_SALESORDER_CHANGE, BAPI_CUSTOMERINQUIRY_CHANGE, BAPI_CUSTOMERQUOTATION_CHANGE, BAPI_SALESORDER_CREATEFROMDAT1, BAPI_SALESORDER_CREATEFROMDAT2, BAPI_SALESORDER_CREATEFROMDATA, BAPISDORDER_GETDETAILEDLIST
Reason and Prerequisites
As of yet, no method exists for creating a sales document that refers to an existing document.
Solution
For solution No. 1
 1. Create the documents using the BAPI_SALESDOCUMENT_COPY function module. However, this only permits a 1:1 copy without factoring out individual items.
 2. After you have created the document copy, you can use a change BAPI to edit this copy.
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 2. Prepare the Data. Execute the 'copying control' manually. This way, you decide which values are to be transferred.
 3. Create the sales document using the 'BAPI_SALESORDER_CREATEFROMDAT2' function module by transferring the prepared data.
 4. Finally, you must remove a COMMIT WORK so that the sales document can be written into the database.
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