Order within my film rolls

I imported a lot of old pictures (negatives scanned in a lab) from a cd into iPhoto yesterday and noticed that the order was not right. They seem to show up in a random order in each of those new rolls. The scan date and time is all the same on every photo. Doesn't iPhoto order them by name as the next criteria? I know I can set the library to "order by name", but only for the whole library and not for only a few rolls. Do I have to change the time the pictures was taken on every single picture manually? Would that change the order, or is the import date the one that counts?

Thanks for your reply!
If that would have been the case, it still should have been in order (the pics were named 01-01, 01-02 ...), but it looked like random...

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My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

My iPhoto screen previously showed thumbnails for each film roll. Now I only have individual pictures. I have lost my film roll categorization, though I have tried to sort by film roll. How do I get back to thumbnails within each film roll?

what version of iPhto? Of the OS?
there is a thumbnial size slider in either the lower right hand or left hand corner of the iPhoto window - does sliding it resolve your issue?
LN

Manual organisation of photos within library / film rolls

I'm new to the world of apple (3 weeks). One aspect I'm enjoying is getting old negatives put on CD and then importing to iPhoto to store / email / use as desktop. But I can't organise the photos within each roll to re-arrange them in the order they were taken. When I go to "View - Sort by", the "manually" option is not highlighted and hence unusable. I just want to be able to drag and drop photos within the library / roll so they are in logical groups and in chronological order within those groups. There seems to be no guidance under "Help". Am I being stupid?
Any advice welcome.

Hi caliban,
I know exactly what you are talking about! No, you are not stupid.
First, the manual is only for Albums you create.
Rolls cannot be organized manually.
So the first thing you need to do is make your Albums.
To make a roll and album, highlight the title of the roll and go to File>new album from selection.
The album will now be in your source column.
Now that we have the albums, there is still a problem though.
If in your preferences you have "place most recent photos at the top" (which I do) you will have the last taken image in the album first . That is not what I want. (or you)
I want to view the photos in the rolls, albums in chronological order. But, I want the most recent rolls on top. Since we cannot change the rolls, that leaves us the option to change the album photo order.
You can set the album view to manual and drag the images where you want (pain in the ...)
I just saw this hint today, so go check it out.
Sort iPhoto album images by forward date
This is some info, including an applescript, to sort album images in an album in correct chronological order
Lori

Sorting manually within film roll view

is there any way to sort my photos manually (move them around in prefered order) within the film roll view?
just started using the film roll view. and i love it, all exept that it will only sort by date and i can not move photos around with in the fill roll. only thing i've figured out is to change the date/time manually for each photo. that's a lot of extra work. any way around it?

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Welcome to the Apple Discussions. You can't sort manually within a roll. You can within Albums or in the entire library with Rolls tuned off.
NOTE: It's not wise to use your email address either as your alias or placed in any post. Spammers sweep thru forums like this to harvest any email addresses to use. Since you only have a couple of posts I suggest you create a new account with a different alias and let this one die on the vine. You cannot change the alias of an account. The software isn't setup for it.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.

How can I change the order of photos in a film roll?

I've scanned in images and then imported them to i-photo and they are not in order on the film roll in i-photo. Does anyone know how I can re-order them within the roll?
Thanks
Ruth

There's only two way to arrange photos in the roll itself while having the rolls visible in the organize window. They are last file created first or last file created last.
You can create an album of that roll and then arrange them manually, by date, by file name. If by date or file name and you want them sorted alphanumerically or chronologically you'll have to make sure the check box, "Place most recent photos at the top" is unchecked in the iPhoto Preferences/Appearances pane.
OT

Iphoto 6 - photos in my various film rolls are mixed up.

I take a lot shots for my residential home insurance business. My work flow is as follows.
Take many shots of many home during the day. up to 100 for each home
Then at my computer
- create a separate new film roll for each home.
- drag each new film roll to the side bar creating an album of each home
- working in the album delete photos not required and edit the few that i need.
- then within each album i use the photo>batch change>title>text.. adding a suffix of A, B, C and so on as i need so that the end result is the first 10 shots are titled A-1 to A-9 and then next are B1 to B9 and so on until the home is done and then i repeat for each home.
The result is that my library of photos has many many shots labeled A1 or A2 or C3 etc.. but this has not been a problem since the shots are contained within separate film rolls never confusing the shots.
But now when i look back at older film rolls, they seem to have shots mixed up from various other film rolls.
Any thoughts? Would appreciate the help.

Ok. after first panicking and not reading further on how to fix iphoto, i calmed down and did the reading i should have done first. Seems that holding down the option and command key at iphoto boot-up initiates a rebuild command.
I did a complete rebuild and all the photos are back in order. Not sure why this occurred but I'm happy that it was fixable.
Iphoto rules.

Sorting problems - using Film Rolls

I prefer to organize by library using Film rolls. Is there a way to sort the photos by title once they are within a film roll? They seem to be thrown in there without any sort of order i can comprehend. If I cannot control this any further, can someone tell me how the photos are being sorted in each roll?
Thank you for your help!!

I believe they are sorted by date shot if imported from a camera. If imported from a scanned image, the date used is the date the image was scanned.

How to re-number Film Rolls

I understand how to change the title and date of a Film Roll, but I would like to re-number the Film Rolls in my library to have them in the same order as their dates. Does anyone know how to do that?
(Reason for me to change the Film Roll numbers: In smart albums, if "View>Film Rolls" is clicked on, the Film Rolls are sorted by roll number, not by the date assigned to the roll. I know that I could sort photos by dates, but then the Film Rolls are not displayed).
Thanks!

Yes, that's what I did and it did not solve the problem. It seems to be a bug.
Again, here is what I did, step-by-step:
1. Added 1 picture, created 1 Roll "Roll 1"
2. Added another picture, created a second roll "Roll 2"
3. Addes a third picture, created a third roll "Roll 3"
4. Called Roll 1 "1980", Roll 2 "1982" and Roll 3 "1981" (Order is now: 1980, 1982, 1981).
5. Changed date of "1980" to 1/1/1980, of "1982" to 1/1/1982 and "1981" to 1/1/1981 (Order is now: 1980, 1981, 1982 in LIBRARY).
6. When I create a smart album, the order is 1980, 1982, 1981.
So while everything is fine in the library, smart albums don't show the rolls in proper order. They seem to ignor the date assigned to the film roll and keep sorting by the initial order of the film roll as they were created.

'Film Rolls' View loses sort order when finding photos via Keywords or text

I have my iPhoto Library sorted by Film Roll so when I select 'Library' in the source list I see my rolls listed in date order in the viewing area.
If I try and find photos using the keywords pane or the search field the rolls which match are displayed in the viewing area but the order they are listed is no longer according to their date but some (seemingly) random order.
Does anyone else have this problem?

I find that if I have my rolls sorted by Film roll and Ascending (by roll date) the keyword search results will have the rolls in the correct chronological order.
However if I change the sort order to Descending , the search order remains as Ascending by roll date.
If you create a Smart album for a keyword search then you can sort the photos by any criteria you'd like: Date, Keyword (redundant), Rating or Title and Ascending or Descending.
Do you Twango?

Film Roll Date Order

I've had this problem a few times and maybe someone knows why and/or a fix:
When I view my photos by film roll now, they are no longer in chronological order. Although the dates of the photos and the roll have not changed, they display incorrectly. If I change preferences to "display most recent at top," they display correctly. Unchecking the box puts them back in the wrong order.
Any ideas?
Thanks!

Hi jtb3,
Clicking on the i icon for the info pane does not open the info pane?

Sort by film roll in iPhoto 8

Come across an interesting problem.
A friend has a digital camera that resets the time and date every time the battery is charged, and not surprisingly after a while no longer bothers to re-enter the details, hence the date is always sometime in year 2000.
This has never been a problem as iPhoto sorted the pictures by film roll, so there was always a semblance of order. I must add that the original titles of the image number have been changed to descriptive picture titles.
I have just helped them to import their picture library onto the shiny new MBP, 10.5.5, iPhoto 8 (having told them how fantastic events is) and it has turned into a can of worms. All the images are now sorted by date order which means they are all over the place, and arrange by filmroll is no longer one of the options.
Anyone any ideas? Is there any way to get import pictures from iphoto 6 without it reformatting for events, or can i get iPhoto 8 to sort by iPhoto 6 filmrolls?
Thanks

Yeah the iPhoto 6 library is still on their old laptop, so that could work.
Do you know whether importing into iPhoto 8 would then keep that same film roll order, with over 6,000 pictures they are quite keen to keep a semblance of continuity.
You do NOT import the library
You must use iPhoto 6 on the laptop and rename any rolls - any roll that uses the default name of rollxxx will come across as an unnamed roll and it gets very confusing in iphoto '08 - once you have an iPhoto 6 library with no default named rolls in it quit iPhoto on both systems and drag the iPhoto library on the new computer to the trash and then drag the iPhoto 6 library from the laptop to the pictures folder on the new computer and launch iPhoto there - this will convert the library and keep the iPhoto 6 roll structure
The event order may be an issue since it is time based - there is a command under the photos menu to batch change date and time so you can use iPhoto '08 to restore the desired date structure
LN

Some film rolls are named "originals" - why?

I'm still a fairly new user of Macs as well as anything like iPhoto. For quite some time, I only imported my photos into iPhoto for fear of breaking something.
Well, I'm getting over that fear, and I have noticed that some of my film rolls have a name of "orignals", but some (which do have edited photos in them) don't have that name.
This might be due to some photos possibly being imported more than once (again, possibly from concerns to be certain I could back up my photos), but I'm not 100% certain of that. Is it possible to either get rid of these rolls (but not delete the photos), or to completely rebuild my iPhoto library, without loosing the edits, and metadata I've already configured?
Mac mini 1.25/512 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi Lew,
At one time you probably used the "add to library" and pointed to another iPhoto Library folder to import.
If you did that, then what you would get is:
Your images will be imported in nice dated rolls. (make sure your view is set to sort by rolls to see it) There are a couple of caveats to this. You will get rolls named "Originals" These rolls will contain your video clips and your original images that you had edited. If you had RAW files they would be in those rolls too (I don't do RAW, so I don't know for sure) Delete what you don't want from those rolls. You will also get the jpeg pointer files to your video clips imported. They will just be jpegs and will not point to the video clips anymore as iPhoto made new ones when the clips were imported again. You can delete those. they should be in a roll right next to the newly imported video clips so they are not hard to find. The thumbnail files don't get imported as iPhoto makes new ones when the images are imported.
So, if you don't want the images that are in the Original rolls, as they are the originals of edited or rotated images, then just delete them. If you still want a copy of them for safe keeping then drag the images or the roll called Originals out of the iPhoto library window to your desktop, then delete the roll within iPhoto. You can burn the ones to disc on your desktop if you'd like.
Or:
you can combine images from that roll to another roll with the edited images in them if you like.
To create a new film roll, command click each image or roll of images or combination of both, then go to File>create film roll.
This will create a new film roll containing all the images you selected.
Lori

IPhoto 6 conversion results in lost film rolls

I just upgraded to iPhoto 6 from iPhoto 5.x. My iPhoto Library contains more than 5000 photos. The conversion process completed successfully and all my photos and albums appear to be there.
However... about half way down the list of photos (at Roll 375 of 414), the Library conversion process apparently lumped dozens of my film rolls together into one gigantic roll with 1700+ photos. Then.. it continues on with rolls correctly allocated to the end of the file (roll 414).
Anyone have any idea what is causing this flaw in the conversion process? And more importantly... is there anyway I can get my film rolls back?
BTW... 'Film Rolls' is selected under the View menu, and toggling it on/off does not solve the problem.
John

Ok. after first panicking and not reading further on how to fix iphoto, i calmed down and did the reading i should have done first. Seems that holding down the option and command key at iphoto boot-up initiates a rebuild command.
I did a complete rebuild and all the photos are back in order. Not sure why this occurred but I'm happy that it was fixable.
Iphoto rules.

Help moving iPhoto 6 Film Rolls to iPhoto 11

Hi,
So I'm trying to get my new MacBookPro up and running with all my previous iPhoto images. However it's not so simple as I would have hoped... my scenario is as follows:
I have an old MacBookPro (6years old) running iPhoto6 with all my existing photos organised in Film Rolls.
I have a new MacBookPro running iPhoto11, which I would like to move all my photos over to.
I have copied the old 'iPhoto Library' folder onto my new laptop into my Pictures folder, and then opened iPhoto. It converted the iPhoto Library to be compatible with iPhoto 11, but didn't find any new photos. After some searching, I found out that opening with cmd-option gave me a few options. I have tired 'Repair Database' option, and it then found my photos (all) but refused to import about 10k saying they were not compatible (?).
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I simply want to be able to view my photos in iPhoto 11 in an ordered fashion, based on the order I had created in iPhoto 6 using Film Rolls.
Thanks,
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Try this:
1 - copy the iPhoto Library from the old MBP again and place in the Pictures frolder.
2 - download and apply the iPhoto Library Upgrader 1.0.
3 - launch iPhoto 11, select the library and let it update it again.
OT

Film Roll - sort option

I would love to be able to sort my photos by Film Roll. Right now you can -- well, sorta.
It only sorts them by the date of the film roll. I would like the option to sort by 1) Film Roll date, or 2) Film Roll name. This would allow me to sort my "rolls" in a grouping other than chronilogical, and many times I don't want to have to use albums (smart or otherwise) for a brief change in the display order (albums do have their place, but not always the best option).
Any thoughts from others on here?

Yim:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. As far as I can determine the only sorting of rolls is by roll date, either ascending or descending. The date can be edited. I haven't figured out how iPhoto sorts multiple rolls with the same date. I've changed some dates on rolls to the same date and some end up on top and some at the bottom of those with the same date. It's not alphabetical. I think it has something to do with the modified date of the files.
You can post a feature request at http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html

Order within my film rolls

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