Ordering Prints Online with Embedded Color Profiles

Problem: I have imported about 100 photos into iPhoto (7.1.1) that have embedded ProPhoto RGB profiles. When Ordering Prints (from Apple/Kodak) online, the prints delivered were horribly desaturated. After research, discovered that the ProPhoto RGB (which is really high-end professional color space, even bigger than Adobe RGB) is not compatible with sRGB printing services. Essentially, sRGB is a much smaller color space and color is lost in process. What's the best way to resolve this?

Ruzicka:
There's an AppleScript to embed the color profile of your choice in selected files. I've modified it to embed the sRGB profile it's available at Toad's Cellar. It's the Applescript version, not the automator version. The automator version adds some jpeg compression in it's process. The script method does not.
Or, you could use Photoshop and create an action to batch convert the files to the sRGB profile. I've used PS but not the batch process. GraphicConverter may be be able to convert them but I've not used it.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 08 libraries and Leopard. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.

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5. Your links don't work, and in any case clicking on links is something most people including myself dislike. It's much better to insert screenshots in the post, by using the camera icon in the reply box.
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PS: As English isn't my mother tongue I apologize for any mistakes in the text above.

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Before bringing inflammatory language and false assumptions to a forum with a high level of expert membership you might want to research the issue, and devise some simple tests (like above) to help you understand the issue first.

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