Organizer PSE8: People Recognition

PSE8:
Is there a way to force people recognition in a photo where PSE8 does not recognize a face? I have a few situations where the face is photographed from a distance (against scenery) and PSE8 face recognition states "I have named all people in this photo" when in fact I have not.

Thank you John! I see it now and it works as expected. The interesting unexpected behaviour I've noticed with face recognition is that sometimes
the program sees faces in the most peculiar places, such as a table center piece, or a gas station pump..examples from my working with it.
Based on the comments in Barbara's book, I gather the feature is a work in progress and the earlier version was less effective. I also notice it does not seem do too well with profiles.

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People recognition error in PSE 9 Organizer

I am new to PSE and PRE. I purchased version 9, installed and began importing my photos and videos. My library has 8566 entries. At first people recognition worked fine finding photos with faces and suggesting names as I entered them. Then it read "No unlabeled people found in your selection." I thought this was great because I had everyone tagged. I noticed as I looked through my photos that not everyone is tagged. Now I get boxes asking "Who is this?" and when I click the box I no longer get a suggestion. Also if I try to run people recognition it says "No unlabled people found in your selection." I get this message even after importing new photos that were just taken. PSE Organizer recognizes the face but still says no unlabled people. How can this be? Please help.

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I am also fighting the same problems. Tried the suggestion by RDNelson #13 with No Success. Not impressed with ADOBE's response so far. I have not tried the new catalog procedure yet because I do not want to get 90% finished and have it fail again. Thank you to all that have responded and I wonder how many others are reading but not joining in?
Can you tell me what is happening after you tried my suggestions. Are you still getting "No unlabled people found in your selection" when pressing the Start people recognition button?
I may have duplicated this issue. I will ask that you investigate something else. First, some background information...
Running face recognition makes an entry in the catalog. In addition it creates a file for every photo which face recognition is run on. This file is placed in the BreezeData directory under the catalog directory. I was able to duplicate the issue where the propmt "No unlabled people found in your selection" by write protecting the BreezeData directory.
Possibly, there are issues with this directory on your system. I just helped someone else who had directory permissions on the .dat files which caused other issues. Possibly there are permission problems in this directory? Or, could this directory contain too many files (NTFS volumes should allow for a very large amount of files)?
This is what I would like you to check...
1) Check to make sure the security settings are set to "Full Control" on the BreezeData directory.
a) Right click on the BreezeData directory from the Windows Explorer
b) Click on the Security tab
c) Click on the Advanced button
d) Click on the Effective Permissions tab
e) Click on "Select..."
f) Type in the user name which is currently logged in or the user name you wish to check permissions on in the box "Enter the object name to select (examples):
g) Press the "Ok" button.
f) Review the checkboxes in the "Effective permissions" list to ensure there is a checkbox next to all items in the list.
If you don't have sufficent permissions, then add full control to the desired users. You may want to verify that the catalog and all content under the catalog is set to Full Control. Make sure to exit the Organizer and restart before you try face recognition again.
2) If 1) does not indicate any problems, see if you can actually navigate to the BreezeData directory.
a) How many files are in this directory?
b) Can you open up any file?
c) Can you create a temporary file such as a word document or even a text file with Notepad?
Note that the same thing happens for media-analysis except for a file is created in the CAXMPFiles directory for every photo analyzed.
I hope this helps. I'm not sure I can help you beyond this and it would be best to contact Adobe directly to report this.

Automatic people recognition in Elements Organizer

Hi everyone,
Because I have limited online disk space, I've been using Elements Organizer for quite some time to catalogue all my offline images. What I do is to burn all my images to DVD's and then import these images into Organizer as offline media with the “Generate previews” option. This way I can quickly find out on which DVD a particular image is kept. This way I save on disk space on my computer.
Now I would like to get some advice and comments from you guys on using Organizer this way. I get the impression that the automatic people recognition does not work with offline media. Is this a correct assumption? How do you best optimize use of disk space when you have over 10000 images. My current version of Photoshop Elements is version 12.
Your comments and advice is much appreciated. Thanks!
Regards,
Dave

Hi, cihurst!
Bridge doesn't currently have a way to recognize people, like Photoshop Elements Organizer, but the keywords should certainly be recognized! When you're in Bridge, check out the Keywords Panel (Window > Keywords Panel). It should contain the tags that you set in Organizer.
Let us know if this helps!

People Recognition working inconsistently in PSE 12 Organizer using Win 8.

People Recognition working inconsistently in PSE 12 Organizer using Win 8. Problem same as indicated in other earlier or same version of PSE using earlier versions of Windows posts. Does any one have a solution ? - cannot find Mr and Mrs Breeze!!

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PSE13 Organizer Crashed during People Recognition

I am using PSE13 on two computers with common photo folders on my NAS. The photos on the NAS are mapped to M:\ drive in M:\photos and are divided into a number of subfolders by year (e.g., M:\photos\2014). When I do a people recognition in Organizer on a single subfolder, the program often crashes during the 'analyzing photos' phase. Has anyone ever come up against this problem? Any solution recommended?
Thanks
Bob

Hi Bob,
I have sent you a private mail regarding this issue.
Please see and help us with the information required to resolve your issue.
Thanks,
Anwesha

Restoring People Recognition Data

I downloaded elements 11 as an upgrade from elements 8. The download went fine but now I am frozen on "Restoring People Recoginition". My old version of Elements 8 is still activated. Could this be the Problem?

PSE8 should not be the problem. Try temporarily turning off auto-analysis.
Go to Edit >> Preferences >> Media Analysis
Uncheck all the boxes and click OK
If the Organizer won’t budge try getting to the prefs via the Editor:
Edit >> Preferences >>Organize & Share
You can re-start people recognition at any time by clicking the Add People icon at the bottom of the organizer and then let the indexing run again.

Restoring People Recognition hangs PSE12

I upgraded my computer from XP to Windows 7 and installed all the updates for Windows 7 before installing PSE12.
After installing PSE12, I converted my PSE8 organizer catalog to PSE12. I had to rename the catalog since the default name was already used. The conversion worked fine and the photos showed up in the browser.
However, a process started called "restoring people recognition". I only used face matching a few times in PSE8 and don't really want to use it in PSE12. Anyway the process showed 9% completion and stops and PSE12 organizer is unresponsive. At this point I cannot use the organizer since it gets hung on the "restoring people ..." process even after rebooting. Also, I looked for a process to kill in the task manager but was only able to kill the entire PSE12 organizer. Any suggestions?

Moving this discussion to the Photoshop Elements forum.

People Recognition in PsE 8 vs PsE 9

I have 16000 photos currently in PsE's version 8 organizer. I'm thinking about moving to PsE 9 (also PrE 9). Have PsE 9's people recongition features improved? One of the previous releases of PsE would show faces from many photos and allow you to manually tag the photos. This was very optimized -- although it would not attempt to automatically recognize the faces. PsE 8 seems to only allow recongition in one photo at a time which is very slow - although it seems to actually guess on the faces for you as a head start. What has changed in PsE 9?

well , pse 9 has come up with better People Recognition this time , they have made the user interface better and speedier. Also , if you want to tag multiple faces at one time them simply select the desired images and click on face button present in the keyword panel. This will show up a dialog which will ask you to label some faces . On the basis of that it will give your suggestions too Hence making the entire process smoother.
Its surely worth a try !

Reset "ignore" in people recognition in PSE 9

Hi all,
First, as I am no native speaker: please excuse my bad English, thanks.
Does anybody know how to reset the people recognition?
Problem: I did people recognition over my whole catalog. Doing this, I told PSE to ignore some people. Now, after a while, I would like to tag these people too (and not by using the "white rectangle" manually for some thousands of photos).
If I click on people recognition now, PSE tells me, that there are no people unrecognized any more.
==> how can I get PSE 9 to "forget", which people where ignored and to suggest them all (except the ones with tag) again?
Please help without forcing me to delete all my tags already set ;-)
Thanks a lot in advance!
Mano

I would not recommend you remove the BreezeData folder or any content within this. You will loose the ability for PsE 9 to make people suggestions on the existing media in the catalog. In addition, attempting to run People Recognition on any existing media in the catalog will issue a dialog "No unabled people found in your selection" even though there are unlabled people.
The only way I have found to reset the "ignore" option is to remove the media from the catalog and then re-import it. Export the tags before you do this. You will have to confirm faces again. I would try baby steps with a small test catalog to make sure you don't loose anything before you try this on your real catalog.
It would be great if Adobe could add an option (Under the Edit menu and with the right mouse click) "Run People Analysis" on photos which would allow you to start over with people recognition on a photo. This would add the bounding boxes which were removed with the "ignore" click.
This is what I think is happening...
Once a media item is added to the catalog, a flag is set on that media item telling it that People Analysis has not been executed yet.
If Media-Analysis/Analyze Photos for People Automatically is enabled, the People Analysis will run on newly imported photos. This will identify potential people with the bounding boxes and some data which helps identify the face. This creates the data in the BreezeData folder. I think the bounding box information is also duplicated in the catalog.pse9db file -- but face identification data.
If Media-Analysis/Analyze Photos for People Automatically is not enabled, People Analysis will run when you click on the "Start People Recognition".
The people tag information is also stored in the catalog.pse9db file when you 'confirm' a face to the bounding box.
Some flag must be set in the catalog.pse9db file after People Analysis is run on a photo to tell the system that People Analysis has run. This prevents it from running ever again on that particular media item. Running Auto-Analysis will not run People Analysis as it seems these are considered to be separate tasks.
You will also run into problems if you edit a photo using photoshop elements and save it as the same file name. Again, the Organizer will not make any recommendations on faces because people analysis was run once on the photo -- even though the content may have been changed. The "Run People Analysis" option would help with this scenario as well!

Photoshop Elements 10 hung up at Restoring people recognition 2%

Hello
I just buy Photoshop Elements 10. after install, I could not open Organizer because it is hung up at "Restoring People Recognition 2%"
Please help. Thank you

Hold down the shift button when you open Elements Organizer. Try to create a new catalog and see if it launches the organizer. If it does go to "edit" menu then preferences.Under preferences you have an option to select media-analysis, click it and uncheck the option for "analyze photos for people automatically". Click OK the close the organizer. Hold down the shift key again to launch the catalog manager then select the original catalog that could not be opened then click open. Hopefully you can open organizer now.

Strange behavour of "People Recognition"

I've just installed Elements, and was looking forward to test the face recongnition. After install I marked some picures, pressed the "People Recognition" and it analyzed the images. Everything worked out fine.
Now, a few hours later", when mark some pictures and choose this feature it start the "Analysis". When the progressbar reach 100% it dissapears, and .. well thats it. Nothing more happens.
Anyone know whats going on, or how this can be fixed?
Elements Organizer 8.0.0.0
Core Version: 8.0 (20090905.r.605812)
Language Version: 8.0 (20090905.r.605812)
System:
Operating System Name: XP
Operating System Version: 5.1 Service Pack 3
System Architecture: Intel CPU Family:6 Model:15 Stepping:11 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP
Built-in Memory: 2GB
Free Memory: 689,8MB

... you select some thumbnails and do Find > Find Faces For Tagging.
The progress bar appears, goes to 100%, and then progress bar
disappears. But the Organizer keeps running (it doesn't crash)?
Yes, this is correct. The same thing happens when I select only one photo. Organizer do not crash.
I should mention that "Generating thumbnails" is running in the background.

People recognition in Bridge?

Is there a way to get the people recognition in Photoshop CS6's Bridge like there is in Photoshop Elements 10's Organizer? If not, is there a way to get Bridge to recognize the people tags from Organizer?

Hi, cihurst!
Bridge doesn't currently have a way to recognize people, like Photoshop Elements Organizer, but the keywords should certainly be recognized! When you're in Bridge, check out the Keywords Panel (Window > Keywords Panel). It should contain the tags that you set in Organizer.
Let us know if this helps!

People Recognition - stops working

Hi,
I have this problem with PSE8 bugging me. I have been dealing with support but no success to date. The People Recognition started working perfectly for me. You select a group of photos - start the recognitions & it would find for example 30 photos of me & suggest they are me - you just accept that whole screen then it gives another screen of me or someone else.
However after tagging for a while it stopped recognising me (& my wife & son, etc). Seems that once a person is 'auto recognised' about 100-200 times then it stops. So now any photos of me when I enter the People Recognition it finds the face OK but does not recognise it as me. So I therefore have to type in my name on every photo.
Now if those first tags of me were called say "Adam". If I now recognise some of the new ones as "AdamF" then it merely goes on auto recognising in batches again under this new tag for another 100 or so photos. Problem then is no easy way to combine them + it should just work without having to do this.
Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas?
Things I have tried.
* New install on different PC - same issue
* New catalog on same PC - same issue
Thanks,
Adam..

Yeh Adobe don't beleive me either - they have stopped replying to my job on the issue - with no resolution or acceptance of the problem.
The other unfortunate thing is that the only possible work around don't work . We thought by giving a person a new name "Adam 2" would mean you could quickly tag another 200 or so (which you can) & then combine the tags. This is where to problem lies though. When you move the photos from Adam 2 into Adam all it does is tag the 'photo' with Adam not the face. So when you then delete 'Adam 2' you end up with all the photos of Adam in the Adam folder OK - but these new ones are not tagged by the face - just photo tagged (if that makes sense).
So no solution, no patch & no workaround at all possible (other than name them 1 by 1 which is not what I spent my $$$ on).
Disappointing that this was the 'big sell' for PSE8 (in my view) & it is a big flop for anyone with more than a few hundred photos in total.

People Recognition: Empty dialog window.

Hi,
I'm experiencing some problems when using the People Recognition function. I’m in the organizer and showing all media and clicking the “Add people” button. The organizer starts preparing the files, but ends up with an empty dialog window as shown below. It doesn’t seem to matter how many or few photos I select, when activating this function.
I’ve used this function several times before (inside the actual catalog) without any problems. There are still a lot of unrecognized people inside the catalog, so this shouldn’t be the reason for this odd behavior.
Any help is greatly appreciated
I've already tried the following:
- Repairing the catalog
- Optimizing the catalog
- Restoring the preferences to default settings
- Renaming the "status.dat" and "psa.prf" files
My specifications:
- Installed Adobe software - Photoshop Elements 12 + Premiere Elements 12
- Catalog containing approx. 17.000 photos and 400 video clips
- Windows 7 64 bit
- Quick Time Player version 7.7.4
Thanks in advance.

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Installing PSE 10....get hung up "restoring people recognition data"

The installation seems to work OK. My pictures show up in organizer. but, program won't allow any options and shows "Restoring people recognition data". stays at 1%. stuck there. I have tried reinstalling the software. same thing. hlep would be much appreciated.

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