Original Sp.Designer Impulse Responses. On Which Disc?

Hello!
When I first installed LP7, I didn't install any Impulse Responses. I guess i must have done a "Custom Install".
Now that I've started using Space Designer though, i need to find these and install them. Which Installation disc are they on?
Logic 'Content Disc' ? Or the normal Logic installation Disc ?
Logic 'Content Disc' requires some 3GB to install and gives the user no option to select which files to install. Since there is no mention if the 'Content' Disc contains any Impulse Responses, i would prefer to avoid such a waste of HD space.
Thanks a lot.

BTW......
The Imulse Reponses from Logic 7 are not that great.......
Go to this site and download the IR's
http://www.noisevault.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=29
Lexi 480L
EMT (greatest Plate ever....especially fro brass / film orchestra)
SvK

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When I go to File -> Project -> Consolidate ... , I get the option to include Space Designer Impulse Responses in the project folder. But I find, that this only works with .sdir files, and not with the .aif or .wav samples that I may have loaded in Space Designer - and I do this a lot, as loading unwarranted audio files as IRs can create some really wacky sounds. Anybody know if this is a bug, is it meant to be so, or am I doing things i the wring way?
TIA.

Yep; SD is perfect for alien spacy effects, or just for some very unusual reverbs. Right now, I'm doing a drony remix, where I've loaded a snippet of a keyboard part from the song itself as the IR, which gives a reverb-ish effect, only very clearly harmonically related to the rest of the song. Next step will be distorting that IR into ****, to add some more noise, and thus a bit less harmonic distinction to it - just to try it out.
If consolidate really doesn't include these files, that goes against the very nature of the function. Surely, that must be an oversight.
Thanx for your answers.

Old impulse responses

hey all,
I just tryed to open an old project that I did in logic 6... I have 3 space desigers in the track. It seems that logic can't find my space designer impulse responses. I'm assuming that it's because when I installed logic 7, the logic 6 IRs didn't get installed. Is there a way to get back the old IRs? Are they on the logic 6 install disc or something?
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Logic Pro 7 has renamed versions of the IR's. If you deleted your Logic 6 install, try reinstalling IR's from the content disk (they will install in a Logic 6 folder that 7 will recognize).
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Impulse Response editing - Do it the right way: IRs for Space Designer

Dear fellow board members,
after doing several research on this topic and many attempts to match some Impulse Responses I finally have to admit, that a little help or insight would be much appreciated. Most of the (Beamsonic) IRs, especially the Studer and Ampeg IRs, seem to have overlength (≈ 6 sec.) and some do have "silence" at the very beginning (see picture below).
I would be thankful for a helping hand explaining me, which part of this IR is of relevant importance: Do I need the "silence" tail at the end? What should I take care of when editing such IRs as the pictured one? Would only the marked yellow area be of importance? Get rid of the red areas (beginning & end)?
As many of the IRs I do have correspond to the image above, I have to go through heavy manual editing and before doing so, your help would be much appreciated.
Does anybody have gone through this before and would like to exchange some of his material for the Space Designer (IRs + corresponding Presets)? I am looking for: EMT 250, Studer A80 Tape, other Tape Sats as well, Ampeg, Westlake Studio D, other useful top quality IRs as well.
For now, many thanks in advance for sharing interest
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1. You maybe want to comment on what is considered to be the
"technical right way" to achieve DAW Tape Saturation via IRs, i.e.
what makes sense and what not?
Really, there is no technical right way - all we are doing is altering our recorded audio in a way that we like - it will vary depending on your tools, your tastes, the material, the artistic intent etc...
a - Insert the Convolution Reverb right on the Audio Channel
itself with Pre/Post-Compression/EQing, etc.
I will do this if I want to process an individual channel for colour. Remember to set the effect to 100% wet.
b - Send audio to a Convolution Reverb Bus (and share w/multiple
audio channels), loss of quality, etc?
You're just sending a bunch of channels - in convolution terms, the results as far as I know will be the same if you process 10 channels indivdually and sum them, compared to if you sum the 10 channels then convolute them. Remember, convolution is a static process in most tools, including Space Designer.
How would you judge the value of using "Impulse Responses"
in comparison to "Plug-Ins"?
Well, I don't think anyone's done a tape saturation plugin properly yet. I'm not an expert in this field, but had some interesting discussions with one of the Sonalksis developers over on KVR who is heavily researching into tape saturation (he's doing a doctorate in the subject) and he thinks that it is possible to do a decent tape saturation plugin - not easy by a long stretch, but possible, so I'm sure we will eventually see decent plugs appearing.
Having said that, I'm not actually a huge fan of the tape sound anyway - I like the impulses for that colour if I need it, but I certainly don't run everything through it. I don't really like the smeared transients, at least on my "less natural" pieces. Rock music (as an example) may well work better.
The plugins that do saturation in varying amounts are a mixed bag in my opinion. A lot of people love VintageWarmer, but I'm not that keen on it (again, I'm not an "expert" by a long stretch, these are just my personal opinions).
I've had some great results using Guitar Amp Pro for saturation and warming (we're talking subtle stuff here) on drums and guitars.
There are a bunch of other plugs too, but none that I have used to tape saturation. DUY's tape does saturation, but not really accurate tape simulation *from what I have heard* - I haven't used it personally myself. Charles Dye seems to like it, anyway!
. Finally: Did anybody experiance differences in quality when
comparing Convolution Reverbs (i.e. SD vs Altiverb vs Waves) in
processing the same IR?
In general, no. Mathmatical convolution is afaiu a mathmatically "perfect" process, much like the adding of audio signals in the digital realm. As long as you know how to do the maths correctly, there should be no difference, given the same IR (it's the IR that really determines the quality of the output).
Of course, different plugs implement things differently, and have different features, but by and large, the convolution engines these things use should be generally the same.
Again, I'm no expert and haven't done exhaustive testing or anything - this info comes from discussions I have and my understanding of these processes from a DSP point of view. Other may well be able to back up or debunk what I've said, so I'll leave the floor to them now...

Space Designer True Stereo Impulse Responses

I recently purchased some impulse responses. I am trying to load these into Space Designer on Logic 9.1. They have been supplied as L, R and C wav files. It says that Space Designer supports 'true stereo' impulse responses, where there is a seperate wav file for L and R. But I can't work out how to load both files? Has anyone on here successfully loaded True Stereo responses in Space Designer? The set of responses also includes 'quad' files consisting of just one stereo file - should I be using these instead?
If anyone could help/offer any advice I would be very grateful
Many thanks
jlb

jlb223 wrote:
I recently purchased some impulse responses. I am trying to load these into Space Designer on Logic 9.1. They have been supplied as L, R and C wav files. It says that Space Designer supports 'true stereo' impulse responses, where there is a seperate wav file for L and R. But I can't work out how to load both files? Has anyone on here successfully loaded True Stereo responses in Space Designer? The set of responses also includes 'quad' files consisting of just one stereo file - should I be using these instead?
If anyone could help/offer any advice I would be very grateful
Many thanks
jlb
If the impulse responses are Stereo Interleaved audio files, then they load into Space Designer as true stereo impulses.
Note : make SURE you create the space Designer on a STEREO AUX or channel, otherwise its mono--->Stereo, and will load mono impulses. At least that what it does on my system. They same impulse sounds very different when fed a mono source VS a stereo source...
As for "QUAD" sources, it does not support them, at least I do not think it does.
Try loading a Space Designer on a 4-channel audio track (a QUAD) track, and see what happens.
Also, those QUAD files are probably 4 mono audio files contained in the one file. I've seen these before...
Cheers
Cheers

Impulse responses for Space Designer

Hola,
Anyone know of third party companies making high end impulse responses for Space Designer?
I am particularly interested in finding an authentic spring reverb for dub style tracks ala Lee 'Scratch' Perry.
Thanks for any leads.

don't know if you consider them high end or low end but these ones are free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fokkie/IR.htm
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Can Space Designer import true stereo impulse responses?

SD can import a stereo impulse response, which basically functions as mono input to stereo output.
In order to do true stereo (stereo in, stereo out) requires two stereo impulse responses. Some verbs import two stereo files, others import quad files.
The manual says that SD uses true stereo, but there isn't any more information about it. It looks like there are a few true stereo presets, which have a + after the preset name and display "Discrete Circle" in the window instead of stereo, but I can't figure out what file format they are or how many channels (they are SDIR files, but looks like those can't be opened).
SD does allow importing quad files, but they show up as "no mode set" and don't sound like they're working right.
Anyone have any experience with this, I'd like to be able to use some true stereo IR's but at this point it looks like I may just have to buy another reverb plug if I can't get that working. Thanks.

it looks like that can only work with files it records itself, I don't see an option to import files.
I tried to find a way around that and I came to the same conclusion as you.
in all cases the verb was all in the right channel even though all four channels of the file had signal
I think I found a way to get results better than that, but the results still aren't really right. I've been using this file:
L96, 01-02 Medium Hall Quad.wav
It's the same one I mentioned in the other thread. I load SD, and then I drag this file in. I don't change any SD settings before or after I drag in the file. The source material is various stereo Apple Loops, and some other test files. I have SD on an Aux, so I can easily solo the Aux and hear 100% wet signal.
The wet signal is on both sides, if there is a source signal on both sides. When the source is panned hard left, the wet signal follows, and vice versa. Instruments that start out 100% left stay that way in the wet signal.
This is better than what you got, but it's still not right. It's not what you get with the true stereo presets in SD, where a hard-panned source will produce a wet signal on both sides (but with it mostly dry on the near side and mostly wet on the far side).
they show up as "no mode set"
That's what I see, and this is probably a clue that SD is not going to use it to produce true stereo.
I can get those results consistently, but then it starts to break more dramatically if I load an SD preset (any kind at all, as far as I can tell), and then drag in the quad file. Then all sorts of strange things happen. Sudddenly I get 100% dry signal on one side, even though it should be 100% wet. Then this happens on both sides. And the problem persists when I load another preset (without dragging in the quad file again). At one point I would get a persistent loud pop on one side, followed by silence, every time I hit play.
Once it gets in this state, unloading and reloading SD doesn't fix it, and closing and opening the project doesn't fix it. But if I quit and relaunch Logic, that fixes it (although it's still not true stereo).
So I don't know how to make it really work, but maybe this will help you get closer to a solution.

I'm trying to install CS5 design standard. Which disc do I install first? One says, "CONTENT" the other has no label. When I search how to install it tells me to install disc 1. I have nothing that says disc 1.

I'm trying to install CS5 design standard. Which disc do I install first? One says, "CONTENT" the other has no label. When I search how to install it tells me to install disc 1. I have nothing that says disc 1.

Hi rinimeluv,
If the disk isn't working, try the below mentioned link.
Install Adobe Creative Suite 5
If the problem still persists please try to download it from the link mentioned below and follow the above link in case you face any issues installing it.
Download CS5 products
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Space Designer How to load impulse responses from meny?

I'm trying to get Logic to regocnize the impulse responses I've put in the /Library/App Support/Logic/Impulse Responses.
I have to load any external impulse manually. Is there a way to get them just in the "Load" meny as the presets are to save time and to make it easy to browse trough?
Double 2.5 GHZ PowerPc G5 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Alllright... Maybe a suggestion for apple then to fix so that it's like in the EXS24.. Refresh or sumtin ?
In Altiverb I've seen that it's just to put them all in a folder and then the program scans it to be in the presets list.
Anyway, thanks for letting me know.

Anyone out there creating impulse responses?

Those of you that use sine sweeps to create your impulse responses, when you deconvolve them do they end up being the same length as your sweep file or does space designer create the proper length reverb tail?
When I attempt to create my impulse responses space designer does not create a reverb tail. It just seems to remove the sound of the sweep form the wet file.
Other convolution reverb programs that I have used create a reverb tail automatically and I believe sound designer should do this as well.
If anyone else is having this problem or has a fix for this issue please let me know. If not then if anyone out there is successfully capturing impulse responses using a sine sweep please post detailed step-by-step instructions on how you are able to do it.
At this point I am at wits end. I have contacted apple care only to find out that they don’t support space designer, so they were no help. You guys are my only hope…
Please Help
iMac Mac OS X (10.4.7)

The process is simple, but has many steps and they must be takin in the proper order:
Play the sweep tone into the space or reverb device while recording the output of the space or reverb device. If you use a reverb device, be sure to set the mix to 100% effect.
Be certain that the space or device you are sampling has fully decayed before you stop the recording. If you were sampling a 4 second plate reverb, do not stop the recording for at least 8 to 12 seconds after the sweep tone feeding the plate has ended.
Edit the resulting recording to eliminate 'dead space' before the sweep begins, and remove any excess space at the end of the file. Be careful not to truncate the decay portion after the end of the sweep.
Place the original sweep file and your edited recording of the effected sweep somewhere easy to find, I use a new folder and save them there.
In "Space Designer" press the "Deconvolution" button in the upper right corner. Load the effected sweep recording, then the original sweep signal and then save the resulting IR in a new folder.
Load the resulting IR file using the "IR Sample" menu and save the preset.
I've created hundreds of impulse files using sweep tones and it has always yielded proper reverb tail lengths for the space or reverb I was sweeping. In other words, if the sweep was 12 seconds long and the space I was sweeping has a 3 second RT60, the resulting impulse would be 3 seconds. On some files Space designer will create an impulse file which is much much too long. In these cases I remove the unnecessary minute or so at the end of the file and resave it.

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did anybody experience the following:
since updating to 7.2, Space designer does not find the impulse responses of my OLD factory presets (which i additionally kept, because I am used to them) anymore by itself.
The new factory presets find their I.R. which have been installed by default to the system library folder, without problems.
But the ones from the old factory set do not. Those preset always first ask me to show them the location of the according I.R. no matter where I place those (user area or system area).
Once the I.R. has been shown to the plugin and that song was saved that way, it will be found correctly.
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Gert

dear jord,
thank you for your hint. I once already tried, but possibly I i did it wrong. I scanned both the I.R. folder and the PlugIn settings folder, but the option to relove the entries was greyed out. perhaps I will have to once scan EVERTHING fron the sratch
Gert

How to Store SD Impulse Responses on External Drive?

I'm curious as how to set up my folders so my impulse responses for Space Designer can be stored on an external drive. I dragged the impulse response folder into my external then created an alias and stored that where my IR's were originally, but it doesn't work. It asks me to search for them every time, so I end up going folder by folder until I find them on my external and then they load. How do I get it so they just load as if they were stored where they were originally stored?

Hi Keith,
Logic uses Spotlight search results to know where Impulse Responses are so you should be able to move them and Logic will find them once the drive is indexed. Do you have Spotlight disabled on that drive? Has it ever been indexed? Not a good idea to put them on a recording drive BTW. You generally want to disable Spotlight from indexing recording drives to prevent performance issues when it indexes it and that will prevent Logic from finding them.
What is your purpose for moving the factory impulse responses?
Cheers

I have a family video DVD that was originally on tape, but is now on disc. I want to import it onto my MacBook to edit and store. However the files are IFO, BUP and VOB and the Mac is saying 'unable to import' as it doesn't recognise the file. Help !!

I have a family video DVD that was originally on tape, but is now on disc. I want to import it onto my MacBook to edit and store. However the files are IFO, BUP and VOB and the Mac is saying 'unable to import' as it doesn't recognise the file. Help please !!!!!

Those are the constituent parts of a standard mpeg2 DVD. Storing them is easy: just copy the folder to your hard drive and they will play in DVD player or VLC.
But that format is not intended for editing. To do so:
You need to convert the VOB files in the TS-Folder of the DVD back to DV which iMovie is designed to handle. For that you need mpegStreamclip:
http://www.squared5.com/svideo/mpeg-streamclip-mac.html
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http://store.apple.com/us/product/D2187Z/A/quicktime-mpeg-2-playback-component-f or-mac-os-x
(unless you are running Lion in which case see below))
which is a mere $20.
Another possibility is to use DVDxDV:
http://www.dvdxdv.com/NewFolderLookSite/Products/DVDxDV.overview.htm
which costs $25.
For the benefit of others who may read this thread:
Obviously the foregoing only applies to DVDs you have made yourself, or other home-made DVDs that have been given to you. It will NOT work on copy-protected commercial DVDs, which in any case would be illegal.
And from the TOU of these forums:
Keep within the Law
No material may be submitted that is intended to promote or commit an illegal act.
Do not submit software or descriptions of processes that break or otherwise ‘work around’ digital rights management software or hardware. This includes conversations about ‘ripping’ DVDs or working around FairPlay software used on the iTunes Store.
If you are running Lion:
From the MPEG Streamclip homepage
The installer of the MPEG-2 Playback Component may refuse to install the component in Lion. Apple states the component is unnecessary in Lion onwards, however MPEG Streamclip still needs it. See this:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3381
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Now I've tried the re-indexing trick, and there doesn't seem to be a problem loading up space designer in a new project and getting the impulse reponses loaded instantly. What is very annoying and has wasted about an hour of my time is the fact that if I load an existing project, Logic decides suddenly that it can't find the impulse responses. This is if I change the preset in an existing space designer or add a new instance. I'm a bit fed up now so I'd appreciate some suggestions - perhaps something in the project settings?

Right, finally found a solution in the morning, picked up from this thread on the Logic Pro Help forums. Apparently excluding any boot camp disks from the spotlight index stops Logic from searching fruitlessly in the wrong place, or at least I imagine that's what is happening.
Shame that it wasted an evening when I should have been making some music...

Can someone recommend some good Impulse Responses!

Hi,
i need some really good impulse libraries. i am not really happy with the default pack from space designer. i have just acquired a license of waves ir-1 but i use space designer the most. at least till now.
any thoughts ?
thanks -
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I have just bought an amazing IR set. It is an emulation of the famous EMT 245 Reverb. The library is huge and offers the best impulse responses that I have ever heard. The lib is compatible with space designer and all other ir plugs.
Here's a link where you can also listen to demos.
www.acousticas.net

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