OS 10.4.6 is causing color shift in prints

Since I updated to 10.4.6 My prints have a severe red cast to them. All perameters used in printing are the same as previous and my Epson 2200 is working properly. I have color managment turned off in the driver and am using the correct prifiles fo the paper. I saw another post where others were having display problems but my images display fine but print badly.
Anyone else have this problem or a suggestion.
Thanks
Craig

Grrr!
I'm having the same issues as people above and as on some similar threads.
First, I've color managed for awhile. Beginning with calibrated monitors, Photoshop's "View" menu settings, my color space ...
I know not to double color manage, and I choose to manage through Photoshop. I've reinstalled everything and read these boards and other threads on the web.
Here are my problems.
I am getting severe color shift and cannot get an accurate print. I've spoken with Epson ($$) and Adobe. All fingers point to Apple. Going through the printing process, everything is fine until soft proofing before hitting the final print button. That preview ALWAYS shows a shift in color if any color management has been applied. (I just tested an image without any color management and there still is a shift.)
Today I trying to print blue hydrangeas for a town project; they are shifting toward magenta. Last week I worked on a town-wide Relay for Life (ACS fundraiser); night-time images with candles ... shifted green. (Again, my with calibrated monitors.)
Ironically, when I was on 10.3.7 I didn't have any trouble. After that it's been roulette. I have an Apple Care contract and called Apple. Understanding that not every rep knows the ins and outs of color management, I asked him to forward an email to someone who can help me.
Grrr. I was told that since Photoshop and Epson are not Apple products they can't help me. Surely, web searches show that this is known problem. (Some suggest trashing Apple's Generic RGB profile ...)
Can ANYONE at Apple help? Please? Isn't that what an Apple Care contract should do?
I have 20 (different) prints due to a family by tomorrow. I have an additional 150 prints due by Thursday. Am I expected to borrow someone's Windows PC and use it to send the image to my printer?
(Also, I've installed several icc profiles in the past, but can't install any currently. I'm trying to install Museo and Arches profiles.
What is happening? Newer profiles don't show up in the print driver's "Print Settings," "Media Type" pull down menu, no matter where I try to load the newer icc profiles.)
G4 - 1.5 GHz Power PC Laptop Mac OS X (10.4.7) OS 10.4.7; Epson 2200; Photoshop CS2; plus other peripherals not relevant to this issue.

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Hi,
The problem :
When printing RAW or TIFF files from LR2, you get a printer output that
is much darker than it should be and that presents various color shifts.
I'm using an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 with the latest Windows driver
(6.50 - which is rather old by the way). The workaround described below
works for me under Windows XP SP3. It should also probably work with
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MainSoft Consulting Services
www.mainsoft.fr

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Just a reminder for those who missed that thread (I guess this fix also
applies to LR 1 although I didn't check):
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is much darker than it should be and that presents various color shifts.
I'm using an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 with the latest Windows driver
(6.50 - which is rather old by the way). The workaround described below
works for me under Windows XP SP3. It should also probably work with
other systems/printers/drivers. Use at your own (minor) risk.
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1. Do not let the printer manage colors and select "Other..." from the
profile dropdown list and select the ICC/ICM paper/printer profile that
you want to use.
2. Click on Print... in LR which opens the Print Settings dialog.
3. Select the options you need and the paper you're using.
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drivers, "Mode | Custom | No Color Adjustments").
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Unfortunately, *this doesn't work* for many of us and this produces a
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Hi,
I've noticed that sometimes in my videos in a frame or two the color shifts completely. Please see attached images. As you can see in the second image, the color has shifted and the image has a greenish tint to it.
I do not see this shift in the original footage.
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http://www.smmlv.com/testproject/
Above is a link to a layered photoshop file that has a USA map and over a dozen network overlays used in a section of our video. I animate each layer on sepeartely in the video and have noticed a major problem recently, the color of the art does not hold true to placement. I created the art originally in Illustrator and then converted the file to Photoshop at 640x480, 72dpi. This has always worked perfectly in the past to display and animated artwork in FCP.
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I also have tried using different Broadcast safe and Y/C corrector filters with different results. The Y/C filter allowed me to reposition the color problem and thus removing most of the problem, but also removing most of the color. Nothing else has allowed me to seemingly move the color into the proper possition.
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I have tried Degaussing, using filters, changing cables, and testing other monitors and systems on these monitors, everthing I can think of to solve the issue. Is it FCPo or is it the monitors?... or is it a signal strength thing. Can monitors and projectors shift color when the signal is read from a DVD or Mini DV Deck? Is there a fequency difference (Ie: 75mgz or 80 mgz) that might be causing the shift in some monitors and not so badly in others. But if this was true, how would some DVD's (like Baby Einstein DVDs that use really bright colors) display red and blue perfect using these same player and monitor, while my projects is shifting color? Doesn't that rule out the signal from the DVD player if other DVD's do not have this issue?
I have uploaded the original art used, an exported .jpg file from the FCP timeline and sample photos of 2 different monitors to show to show this problem as best I can. http://www.smmlv.com/testproject/
Someone out there must have had this problem before. There's no way a color shift problem like this with Mini DV has gone on this long without someone seeing it.
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Hi,
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Let me explain what happens: I have taken Photos with my Canon EOS 300D, in Jpeg mode with Color Space in the Camera set to AdobeRGB. The photos I am talking about were taken with Tungsten light with auto white balance and have a distinct orange color cast. I use Windows XP and view my Photos on a LCD Display calibrated with the Pantone Huey system. The Lightroom Library Module and Photoshop CS2 both display the original image almost identically (there are no changes applied inside Lightroom or Photoshop, I view the original image in both applications). Photoshop is set to use the Adobe RGB Color space as its working Color space, Softproofing is switched off. However, when I switch to the Develop Module, the colors (especially the orange hues) shift very noticably toward pink. I can only assume that the Colorspace conversion or maybe some implicit soft proof used differs between the modules. So, to restate the problem: If I switch back and forth between Library and Develop, without changing anything and in 1:1 view to avoid errors introduced by different zooming methods, the colors shift quite drastically back and forth.
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So this leads me to the final question: Is it possible to tell Develop to use the exact same color settings as the Library Module? Or is there another way to compensate for the color shift?
I hope I was clear in what happens and what I tried to do. If it helps I can gladly provide a sample photograph that clearly illustrates the point.
Thank you in advance for your help,
Daniel

Thanks for your comments, Don and Fred. I hope that this issue will be worked on soon.
Fred, I have set the Preview Quality to High, but it doesn't seem to make any differences concerning the color shift. I have investigated this matter further by now and made the following observations:
*The color shift is a lot less noticable on my laptop (the laptop screen is also color profiled). On my laptop the change is more of a subtle shift in contrast than in color. This might be caused by the smaller color gammut of my laptop display though.
*I have uploaded a testimage so that others can check if this shift occurs at their workstations too - after all, it might be a misconfiguration of my color management software, though I doubt that (because Adobe already states that library and develop render different previews). I would be interested if the color shift I describe is noticable at other workstations too. The link to the testimage: http://www.danyx.com/colorshift.jpg (permission to use the image to test the color reproduction is of course granted hereby).
Thanks for your help, I hope Adobe will listen soon,
Daniel

Color shift when uploading

I have been trolling other sites to learn what might cause this.
I recently got a Huey device to callibrate my monitor. (I send out digital images of artwork and they need to be acurate color.)
After taking some images and loading them onto iPhoto, they seem to look very much like what I saw on the camera lcd screen. I can make subtle color and tone adjustments while capturing on the Panasonic Lumix camera. Usually, they are so close to what I want, all I do is crop in iPhoto.
But I am experiencing color shifts when I upload to make webpages so I can burn discs, or today when I uploaded to a local photo printer. They seem to move a bit towards more orange/pink tones, but when I drag them to the desk top, and open in Preview, they look identical to the iPhoto stored images.
I have read some ideas about RGB and there being bugs in iPhoto that alter your files even as you are loading them from the camera!
Does anyone know how I could fix this?
I can write scripts if it takes it. Thanks

Nanci
The pics look correct in iPhoto and Preview, right?
But not on the Web or at your local printer?
iPhoto and Preview are both Color Managed - that is (along with Safari) they read and respect the color profile of the pic.
Do the apps your Printer is using, or that you are using to view online, respect the color profile?
Regards
TD

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Often, the new, 'shifted' colors are even more pleasing than the 'unshifted' (i.e. recovery set to zero), but this is a psychological and a workflow problem too. It is just not nice to know that controls are interdependent and have side-effects.
Is it a bug or a fact of life? What's so different about the old a new profiles, that cause this difference in recovery effect?
The DNG to play: http://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlBblFOR0Y3N0JFQlE9PQ

Eric, thanks a lot for the explanation and technical details.
Knowing this helps me a bit, as it confirms my observations. What is not clear, is how these shifts will/should (or would they?) be addressed?
I mean Recovery was a perfect control until now. it just did what is should, reliably and consistently. Now we have the side-effect of color shifts.
a) Will Adobe adjust the algorithm to fit the new profile system? A bad thing, because it will not assure backward compatibility.
b) Will Adobe add a new control? Worse, because it adds unnecessary complexity.
c) Will/could the profiles be modified in a way as these color shift don't happen. As I understand from your previous post, this doesn't seem possible.
d) Will it just be left as is and I'll have to live with the color shifts? Now it seems it's the most likely option. Sad, because Recovery used to be so powerful, and now its power is somewhat compromised.

Lightroom Export Color Shift

Exported JPEGs from Lightroom have a significant color shift from how they appear inside LR and PS3, which is a distinct magenta shift and oversaturation.
I have read a number of related posts here and elsewhere that explain the importance of setting up color management correctly in Windows, LR and PS3. I have done my best to follow all this advice and still cannot export usable JPEGs from Lightroom. I am using a Spyder 3 and have carefully profiled my Dell 2408WFP monitor. I am processing RAW images from a Canon 30D into sRGB JPEGs for web viewing, and have set up LR to export sRGB while PS3 is set to the sRGB working space.
I have also read that Internet Explorer and other color-unmanaged applications will display images differently. I understand this, but then it seems to me that every image I view inside Windows Picture Viewer or Internet Explorer on this computer would have the same oversaturation and magenta shift that my Lightroom exports do, but this is not the case. Also, my Lightroom-exported JPEGs have an equivalent magenta-tinted and oversaturated appearance on other computers I use, not just my image-editing computer.
I have set up a web page with example images, screen grabs and system technical information, located here: http://www.dougvetter.com/lightroom
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>What can I do to get predictable color output that looks good outside a color managed environment? All the web content I look at on this exact same system looks just fine in my browser.
The only thing you can do is to calibrate your screen and export to sRGB jpegs.
On average the images will look the same, however very few will look identical simply because there is a lot of variation among screens. The sRGB standard gives you the biggest probability of getting it right. Unfortunately with the current upsurge in people buying laptops, which have in general a far smaller gamut than sRGB (the purple blue problem is caused by bad laptop screens), sRGB is starting to deviate from the average because the average is shifting. At the same time desktop LCDs are giving greater and greater gamut as your DELL display shows. sRGB was designed to represent an average CRT screen. So the crappy quality of laptop LCDs and the refusal of MS to finally live up to their promise of color management in IE is really hurting our chances of getting the right color in front of people.
What we really need is omnipresent color management and some awareness of computers of their monitor's profiles without having to calibrate, similar to printing profiles being delivered by printer manufacturers. They might not be perfect, but they will be good enough. Lacking that, we can really only try to calibrate our screens and use sRGB for web images.

Color shift on random pages

Hi Everyone,
So I've been scouring the internet and the Adobe forums trying to find out a) what caused this and b) how can I fix it.
I'm working on a document that is set in CMYK and uses vector graphics I have created on the Master Page. Every page uses the Master Page, however, for SOME reason, every other page, the color shifts. So far, all of the problems and solutions out there are in regards to color profiles... but how is this possible when it's the images on the Master page that is being altered, and it's random!
On one page, the image is in what appears to be CMYK, then you go to the next page, and it's RGB! Then RGB on the next but then back to CMYK on the next! I've tried converting my profiles, I've even tried enabling pop up with profile mismatch solutions when it's reopened, I've tried changing the transparency settings from CMYK to RGB and back again, and nothing seems to work. It's really irritating and I'm about to scrap this whole document and start a new one and see if it continues to do that. But I really don't want to because we're 95% with the project.
I would think that what ever it is set to in the Master page, it would remain consistent from one page to the next. And then if it was going from CMYK to RGB on ALL the pages, that's fine, I can fix that, but I can't get the pages to be consistent.
Any help is very appreciative.

Ok, I double checked a lot of things and here is all the info:
The vector file that I am using on the Master page (as a footer graphic) is RGB.
All of the pages have some element overlaying it, some pages only have a text box that drops down to partially cover it (not the color part, a white area), and some have an image. But there is no consistency with this information as it literally just seems to be random pages. If it were text boxes causing the issue, wouldn't it affect all the pages that have text boxes touching this region?
The Transparency blend is set to RGB.
Here are some screenshots.
Here is page 9 how it looks in InDesign showing all of the element box lines:
And page 9 how it looks in the PDF:
Now, here is page 14 in InDesign:
And page 14 in the PDF:
Thanks for your help Rob and Peter!

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