OS 10.4 install on Firewire drive

I want to create abootbale firewire drive.
Do I need to go through a full (easy) install onto the firewire drive from the OS dvd, or is there an easier way to copy only the files I will need to boot the computer from the firewire drive?
Thanks.

Two options:
1. perform a new installation booting from the OS X installation disc.
2. copy the existing internal drive using Disc Utility, Carbon Copy Cloner, Super Duper, Prosoft Data Backup, Intech QuickBack, Retrospect, Deja Vu, etc... take your pick.
Note that not all FW external drives, while they may claim compatible with the Mac, will actually be able to boot a Mac. It depends on the chipset in the FW enclosure, they are not all created equal with respect to booting a Mac.

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Can't install on FireWire drive?

I have a Firewire drive with 48 GB available attached to my MacBook Pro running )S 10/5/7
I have the Tiger disks that came with the MacBook, as well as the upgrade (to Lepoard) DVD.
When I try to install Tiger on the FireWire disk, I get a message: "You cannot install OS X on this disk. OS X cannot start up from this disk".
Below is the System Profiler report on the Firewire disk... Why can I not install onto it?
FireWire Bus:
Maximum Speed: Up to 800 Mb/sec
Unknown Device:
Manufacturer: Oxford Semiconductor Ltd.
Model: Unknown
GUID: 0x30E00000000B7E
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Sub-units:
Unknown Unit:
Unit Software Version: 0x10483
Unit Spec ID: 0x609E
Firmware Revision: 0x0
Product Revision Level:
Sub-units:
Unknown SBP-LUN:
Capacity: 111.79 GB
Removable Media: Yes
BSD Name: disk1
Mac OS 9 Drivers: Yes
Partition Map Type: APM (Apple Partition Map)
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Volumes:
Oxford Drive:
Capacity: 111.66 GB
Available: 48.09 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk1s10
Mount Point: /Volumes/Oxford Drive

Niel wrote:
Apple Partition Map
Mac OS X can't be installed onto a drive using this partition map type on an Intel Mac, but it can be cloned to it and the Intel Mac can boot from it. A Mac OS X 10.5 installation can also be done on a PowerPC Mac and the drive moved.
(50960)
I've cloned my drive, then attemped to boot up from it, everything loads in fine, but it asks for my name & password, and will not accept my password! This is extremely frustrating, and I've done everything I can think of to sync the two drives, even hand copying the keychain folder from my computer to the external, but it still won't work!

Firewire drives not working in Audition 3

We have Audition v3 installed on some XP machines. We've recently switched out our external USB CD drives and installed new firewire drives and are now unable to use the 'extract audio from CD' option. The drive shows up in the list of drives but when selected everything in the window is greyed out.
The drive is an Other World Computing Mercury Pro Blu-ray drive.

I was thinking the drive might be the culprit because it's a Mac drive on a PC system. I tried a PC dvd drive via firewire though and it behaved the same way so it must be Audition having a problem with firewire.
I tried going from XP SP 2 to 3, tried applying the Audition v 3.0.1 patch and tried installing the latest Adaptec ASPI driver upgrades. I tried going into edit>preferences and switching between using ASPI or SPTI and neither worked.
I'm out of ideas. It seems strange that in Audition I can open up the disc and see the tracks but it won't let me import the audio in.

I just reinstalled tiger and Now my firewire drives won't mount

Here's the deal:
I just reinstalled Tiger 10.4.2 on my G4 sawtooth and now my firewire ports are gone. When I look at the Firewire bus in System Profiler, I just see the words: "Firewire Bus:" An that's it.
I have seriously searched thes forums and have tried everything Ihave found so far.
I have tried:
1 - Unpluging everyhting, waiting 20 minutes, and rebooting
2 - Resetting PRAM
3 - Resetting Open Firmware
4 - disk utility disk repair on main volume when booted from install DVD (firewire drive does not show up disk Utility)
5 - Repaired permissions
I'm pretty much dead in hte water without my Firewire Drive.
Any Suggestions?
Thanks - Dustin

Which OS? Post indicates 10.4.2 and configuration indicates 10.4.3 and 10.4.4. Try this. Disconnect all FW peripherals, shutdown, restart, reinstall 10.4.4 combo update, restart, launch Disk Utility, repair permissions, restart, open SysProfiler, click on Firewire, and ensure that it shows something like this for all your FW ports:
Unknown Device:
Manufacturer: Unknown
Model: Unknown Device
GUID: 0x0
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
If so, then rehook the FWHD cable and turn the power on. Relaunch SysProfiler and you should be good to go.

How do I install a bootable copy of Tiger to an external Firewire drive?

I've got a problem with my optical drive and cannot boot from a CD or DVD on my 17" flat panel iMac, running 10.2.8. I have bought Tiger and would like to upgrade my OS but want to be able to run some disc repair utilities on the iMac prior to doing the upgrade but can't run them on my boot disc.
I'd like to be able to install Tiger on my external FW hard drive, install Techtool pro on that same drive and then try to repair the internal drive on my iMac by booting from the external drive. Is that possible? Is it a good idea? Can I install to the external drive from my internal Superdrive without being able to boot from the install DVD? How should I do that?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Michael

Because you must boot from the Tiger DVD in order to install Tiger I'm afraid you are somewhat out of luck. However, with no guarantee either express or implied here's something you can try:
First, download a freeware utility called Carbon Copy Cloner from www.versiontracker.com or www.macupdate.com. Second, connect your Firewire drive and insert the Tiger DVD into the optical drive. Be sure it mounts on the Desktop along with the Firewire drive. Third, open your Disk Utility from the Utilities folder and use it to format or erase the Firewire drive. If you prefer you may wish to partition the Firewire drive to allocate a partition for the Tiger DVD (you will need about 6 GBs.) Fourth, open the CCC utility and click on the Lock icon beside the grayed out Clone button and authenticate. Then click on the Preferences icon. In the section labeled "Target Disk Options" be sure that the box labeled "Make bootable" is checked. No other items should be used. Click on the Save button. Fifth, select the Tiger DVD as the Source Disk, select the partition on the Firewire drive as the Target Disk. Now click on the Clone button.
Go away for a while because the clone process will take time. Once it finally completes you can eject the Tiger DVD. You now should be able to boot the computer from the Firewire drive partition. Open your Startup Disk preference pane, select the Tiger partition on the Firewire drive from the icon list, then click on the Restart button.
If this works your machine will boot into the Tiger installer from the Firewire drive. You can then install it onto your iMac. I would suggest you use the Archive and Install option. You may find the following helpful:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=607363&#607363

Can't install OSX on firewire drive?!?

I have a brand new Mac Mini (specs below) and just purchased an OWC Ministack v2 for extra USB and Firewire ports, with a Hitachi 250GB drive in it.
It's in 1394 mode, hooked up to the Mini, which recognizes it as a firewire drive. I'm able to copy files to it and open them fine, drive passes all tests.
When I insert the Install Disc 1 that came with the Mac Mini, I run the installer, which boots up from the disc and askes for the destination. It sees the firewire drive, but says that I cannot install OSX on that volume.
My question is, does the installer only allow you to install OSX on the Mini drive itself?!? Or is there something wrong with my drive? Anything I can do to get around this?
I have a separate Tiger install CD, but the Mini can't run the installer (presumably because it's pre-Universal Binary?).
THANKS a ton for your feedback, much appreciated.

Aye that was certainly the reason behind the problems I recently had when I was setting up an external drive with my Intel MacBook Pro.
After much testing and a little searching via Google, it would seem that Disk Utility was formatting the drive as an Apple Partition Map (APM) partition rather than a GUID Partition Table (GPT) that is necessary to use an external drive as a startup drive for an Intel Mac.
iFelix

Can I install OS 9 on an external Firewire drive?

I am not sure if this belongs in the G5 thread or the Leopard thread. Anyway:
I have a Mac G5, running Leopard 10.5.4.
I understand that Leopard will not run Classic applications.
*However, can I install OS 9 on an external Firewire drive? And just boot directly from that drive?*
I have essential OS 9 apps that I really need to keep.
I am aware of Classic emulators that run under Leopard, but that is not an option.
Any advice, insights, suggestions, et cetera in this matter will be appreciated!

+PS I should have added for the sake of others reading this thread…+
You, Dunestrider, can run your Mac in Tiger (and hence in Classic) because, AFAIK, your G5 originally shipped with Tiger.
Others should be aware that you cannot boot a Mac with an OS earlier than the one with which it shipped, i.e. if your Mac shipped with Leopard you cannot do what I suggested in my previous post. See this Apple doc.
Also, Dunestrider, I just realised belatedly that you won't have to buy Tiger - you will still have the original Install disk(s) that came with the G5.
Andreas

Can OS be installed and run from a Firewire drive?

Hello,
I recently started to switch from WindowsXP to a Mac Mini. I was considering installing WindowsXP to a drive that I put into my AMS Venus 3.5" drive enclosure. This is a combination enclosure that supports USB 2.0 and Firewire 400. I've never used a Firewire device before so I don't know how well XP would install to and run from a Firewire drive. I'd like to setup XP to run underr Parallels. Its a Seageate 160gig 7200rpm drive that's about 1 1/2 years old.
Is this possible? Is is actually usable going through a Firewire connection?
Thanks,
Jeff

Hi Jeff,
installing Windows under Parallels will produce two files that contain the Windows System itself (filename.hdd) and the configuration file (filename.pvs).
These two files can indeed be put onto an external harddisk and run from it.
It is quite usuable and you should get the same 'speed' as if these files where on your internal HD.
Have a look at the PDF files here http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/ for further information on how-to.
Have Fun
Stefan

Trouble with installing 10.5 from an external firewire drive

I have a family pack of 10.5 and installed it just fine on my macbook. But, I'm having trouble getting my imac DVD player to read the DVD. It just spins and spits it out, and spins and spits it out. The imac is not covered under applecare so spending money to get the DVD drive fixed (which I barely use) is not something I want to do right now.
Anyway, I followed instructions on a this website to install 10.5 from an external firewire drive. (http://iuseapple.com/blog/apple-how-to/advanced-os-x/2007/10/29/how-to-install-l eopard-from-external-firewire-hard-drive/)
But I get stuck and am not able to actually get my imac to boot from the installer. Basically, I am able to use disk utility to create a copy of the disk image on my macbook. That resulting file ends in ".cdr" and it mounts when I double click it.
And I partitioned my firewire hard drive without problems.
I think I'm messing up when it comes to doing the restore. If I try to drag the .dmg mounted file in to the "source" it doesn't work (is greyed out). If I try to drag the mounted .dmg there than it works, but I get an error when I click "restore" (something about scans and images not being found). I tried physically copying the .dmg file onto the partition, but then when I plugged the HD into my imac, I wasn't able to get the imac to boot from the installer.
What am I doing wrong? If someone could walk me through these last steps I'd appreciate it!

Okay I finally got around to creating the bootable disk image of 10.5 using Carbon Copy Cloner. Still my iMac is not booting from the firewire drive!
Here's a recap of everything I've tried. I'm at a complete loss now!
- I partitioned the HD into 2 partitions-- a 10gig one for the 10.5 install, the then the rest for Time Machine. I make the partition in Disk Utility on my MacBook.
- I've partitioned the drive a few times-- always partitioning it in APM format (b/c it needs to boot my non-intel iMac).
- I've created the disk image using "restore" in disk utility. I've again tried this a few times.
- I am able to boot my MacBook from the disk image I create! So I know the FW drive is able to be used to boot from!
- Here's what I've tried in terms of getting the iMac to boot from the FW drive. It always just boots to my internal drive instead. Sometimes I briefly see a folder and question mark. I've tried all 3 FW ports. I've selected the install partition at start up in preferences. I've also held down the option key at start up (only my internal drive shows) and I've held down command-option-shift-delete and again I get the question mark and it boots to my internal drive.
- And I installed Carbon Copy Cloner and made the disk image that way on my macbook. Still, I tried everything and the iMac is not able to boot from the firewire drive!
Since my DVD drive is broken, this is the only way for me to install 10.5! Help!

Post-Install Problem with External Firewire drive

I just installed Tiger 10.4.3 and the computer would not reboot. It would stop prior to the Starting Mac OS X progress bar and gray out letting me know that the computer needs to restart.
I finally got it to boot successfully by unplugging or turning orr my external Maxtor Firewire drive. The external drive was plugged during the install process (mistake?)
Via Software upgrade, I upgraded to 10.4.6 in the hopes that this would solve the issue. No luck and when turning the drive on, it immediately goes right to the gray screen and lets me know it will need to reboot.
Is this a known problem with a known solution? Did I FUBAR my drive somehow? Any suggestions for righting to ship?
Thanks!
Rob P

OK, last one before dinner. I found the panic log. here is what it says:
Description: Panic (system crashes) log
Size: 12.39 KB
Last Modified: 5/25/06 6:39 PM
Location: /Library/Logs/panic.log
Recent Contents: ...
panic(cpu 0): 0x400 - Inst access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000857F4 0x00085C24 0x000287B4 0x0008F6A8 0x000927B8
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x24051780)
PC=0x00000020; MSR=0x40009030; DAR=0x11F23B98; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x16FE0DEC; R1=0x1227BB90; XCP=0x00000010 (0x400 - Inst access)
Backtrace:
0x16FE0C58 0x16FE08DC 0x16FE043C 0x0021FFAC 0x0021FDA8 0x002206F8 0x00220D54 0x002111D0
0x00211194
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.maxtor.iokit.IOFireWireMxBt(2.0d1)@0x16fdf000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOFireWireFamily(1.4.0)@0x233d3000
Exception state (sv=0x22F58A00)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 6.8:
Wed Sep 10 15:20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC
Does this help anyone???
Rob P

How to install tiger on external firewire drive

I'd like to upgrade my dual 2GHz Power PC G5 to 10.5, but I need access to OS9 from time to time. To solve this I wanted to install 10.4 with OS9 on my external HDD. I partitioned my Western Digital drive (connected by FW800) and installed 10.4 from the install disk. However, when I select it as the startup disk, the startup fails to identify the disk and starts from the internal drive.
I tried to follow instructions from an old post, but one thing that was different was that when partitioning my harddrive, I did not have the option for GUID, I just had the option for Apple Partion Map. Oddly, now that I installed OSX 10.4, the option for GUID appears, but still seams incorrect since I'm on a G5 CPU.
Any ideas why I can't boot from the external drive? Any suggestions on how to install OS9 and migrate my user folders over when I get it working?
Thanks,
Marcus

Many Western Digital firewire drives will not boot a PPC mac. From this WD support page:
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/stdadp.php?pfaqid=1787
The following external hard drives are not bootable on Power PC based Macintosh computers systems through USB/FireWire 1394(a/b):
* My Book Essential Edition
* My Book Essential Edition 2.0
* My Book Home Edition
* My Book Mirror Edition
* My Book Office Edition
* My Book Premium Edition II
* My Book Pro Edition II
* My Book Studio Edition
* My Book Studio Edition II
* My Passport Studio
* My Passport Elite
* My Passport Essential
* WD Passport
* WD Passport (Silver)
If your drive is new and on the list, I would try to return it and get a different brand.

External FireWire Drive Can't Install OS 10.4.6 as Startup Drive

I have a QPS 60 GB FireWire Drive shows as non-bootable Drive for OSX. Is this dive upgradeable through Software or Firmware:
Drive Description as follows:
FireWire Bus:
Maximum Speed: Up to 800 Mb/sec
0:
Manufacturer: QPS
Model: 0x340
GUID: 0x80CF0034000CB2
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Connection Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Sub-units:
0 Unit:
Unit Software Version: 0x10483
Unit Spec ID: 0x609E
Firmware Revision: 0x424
Product Revision Level: 4.24
Sub-units:
0 SBP-LUN:
Capacity: 57.27 GB
Removable Media: Yes
BSD Name: disk1
OS9 Drivers: No
S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported
Information (About This Mac)this Mac was purchased before OSX was released. Could it be not be formatted to Mac OS Extended (Journaled)or possibly some other reason? It has worked well with OS9 and all the versions of OSX through OS 10.4.6 without any difficulty or software upgrades as a storage device.
1.25 GHz Dual G4 Desk Top Mac OS X (10.4.6)

are the install disks that come with the computer limited to that specific computer? We have 2 powerbook G4s (a 15 and a 17 inch) The 15inch is giving me the trouble. It's possible that I grabbed the install disk for the 17inch.
Never used the disks before. When I insert the disk, reboot and hold the c key, the computer eventually goes to a solid blue screen without anything on it and stops.
As an experiment, I inserted the install disk in the 15, then attached the 15 to the 17 as a target. Teh 15 mounted on the 17 with the install disk mounting. I then drilled down through the install files until I go to the os install package and double clicked. It started to install but after about an hour it ended with an error message.

Blue Screen Result When Installing To External Firewire Drive

I can't afford to have problems with programs not running on Leopard on my 17" G4 1.67 GHz 2 GB RAM PowerBook so I am trying to install it on an external Firewire drive. I was hoping to test out Leopard with certain applications by running it from the external drive.
The Firewire drive has two partitions, one has my backup clone of the PowerBook and the other just has files and about 35 GB of free space. The installation would be a new installation so none of the files that deal with login or Application Enhancer that are being talked about in other threads are an issue.
My first attempt to install brought up a blue screen after the installation restart. I left it there for about 30 minutes then powered off the PowerBook by holding down the power button. I started it again and held down the option key, picked the install disk as startup, went through the disk utility repair disk (found no problems). After that I picked the new install on the external from the startup preferences and it simply restarted to a blue screen. I left that one for about 20 minutes then powered down.
I went back to the Powerbook Tiger OS system, deleted all the installed folders on the external and tried a completely new install. Once again it went to the blue screen after the Leopard install restart. This time I left it overnight and this morning the display was dark and upon waking it up with a tap of the space bar was greeted by the bluescreen again.
I talked to my Apple hardware rep who knows the equipment that I am working with and we talked about all the steps I went through and he has no explanation why it won't work on the external.
I would love to hear from anyone that may have insight for this particular external FW drive installation perspective.

Joe-
Is the drive partitioned to APM? (Sorry I took Anton's reply to be yours.) What was the type fo partitioning onthe disk with the success? I am not knowledgable enough in those error messages on the system.log file, but one thought is - after the memory upgrade, did you clear the PRAM (long shot, but do it anyway)? The machine booting on one external Firewire drive (#2) implies the problem is with the external FW disk (#1) you are using. Some other people had the bus error, but with Time Machine. (Not to go on a tangent, but TM seems to have problems when the disk name has non-alphanumeric in it.)
Hoping someone who knows the syslog errors and the boot sequence will pipe in here.

URGENT: Install Tiger on iBook without CD Drive or Firewire Drive

Help!!
I have an iBook which needs Tiger installing.
However, the CD drive has pack up, and I dont have a Firewire External CD player, only a USB one.
Is there a way i can connect another Mac to the iBook by firewire cable and use that CD drive to install Tiger on the iBook?
Any help, advice would be massively appreciated
Glenn

These installs will work subject to license agreement:
1. Connect an external firewire drive to any machine.
2. Boot off CD and install on external firewire drive.
3. Clone back to same machine or move said hard drive internally into same
machine if it has the same interface inside the Firewire enclosure as inside the machine.
1. Setup an iMac G4 1.25 Ghz in Target mode with a broken optical drive.
2. Boot off Leopard on a second iMac G4 1.25 Ghz and connect the machine in step one to the machine in step 2.
3. Install Leopard or Tiger.
1. Boot off Firewire DVD drive the Leopard or Tiger installer.
2. Install Leopard on the same machine the drive is connected to.
These types of install will NOT work:
1. Setup an iBook G4 1.25 Ghz in target mode with a broken optical drive.
2. Boot off an iBook G4 1 Ghz and connect the machine step one to the machine in step 2.
3. Install Leopard or Tiger
1. Install on an external firewire hard drive from an iBook G4 1 Ghz Leopard or Tiger.
2. Connect an iBook G4 1.25 Ghz to the hard drive in step 1.
3. Clone back from the hard drive Leopard or Tiger (whichever is installed) or if the firewire hard drive case was a 2.5" hard drive Parallel ATA move the hard drive into the iBook.
The reason is that each vintage Mac, and each Mac model has distinct drivers.
In Target mode, the target machine (the machine you held the T key down) is assumed by the installer to be nothing more than an external drive to be a machine with the same configuration of the host machine because that's the only machine's firmware it can detect.
And by "work" I mean, the installation may appear it succeeds but circumstances such as kernel panics, and unsuccessful upgrades later will make the whole effort in vain.
Either replace the internal optical drive or attach an external Firewire DVD drive to install on a machine whose optical drive is broke, or get an identical Mac model to install using Target Disk Mode. If you don't have an identical machine, don't waste your effort on what can become an even worse install than had you left everything alone.

Is there a straightforward way to install a 10.8.5 recovery partition on an external firewire drive?

Ideally one that is not hardware specific?

If you installed a complete OS to the Firewire Drive it would normally install a recovery partition - after that you coud use disk utility to trash the OS on the drive and leave the recovery partition intact.
Longer and more involved than Recovery Assistant but would achieve the result you are wanting.
About the requirement to be hardware independant - I am not sure.

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