OS 9 system folder for Mini PowerPC G4

Hi all. I need to use my Mini G4 in classic mode (it's running 10.4.11). I still have the original install discs that came with the machine when new but although they look OK, furstratingly the CD-ROM drive rejects them - I think I only need the system folder v.9.2(.2). Can anyone help, please? I've done a lot of looking on here, but no luck. Thank you.

For use as Classic, you should be able to copy a working OS 9.2.2 install from another machine. This copying can be done by a simple drag-n-drop copy process; a cloning utility is not needed.
It would probably be a good idea to also copy the Utilities folder associated with OS 9.
Note - copying an OS 9 System Folder from an OS 9 install CD will not work; those system folders will work only when booted to from the original medium.

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Hi, innovator. OS X is multilingual, but OS 9 is not: you'll need to buy and install a retail English-language version of OS 9 before you can apply English-language updates to it. If you currently have a Japanese OS 9.1 installed, you can download and apply free Japanese updaters for 9.2.1 and 9.2.2, but I have no idea how that (or any Japanese-language Classic applications you need to run) will interact with an OS X installation that is localized for English.

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I have installed Classic from the cd that came with my computer. The system folder for os9 shows up in root next to the osx folder, but there is no 9 on the folder. When I try to run classic in system preferences, it says os9 is not installed. I've seen other postings saying to "bless" it by dragging the finder from the os9 system folder to the desktop then back again, but this does nothing.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hello berne04,
Did you try this (from the link that Texas Mac Man posted)? Try it instead of dragging and dropping the Finder.
No "blessed" Mac OS 9 System Folder
If Classic doesn't start, but Mac OS 9 is installed, the System Folder may not be "blessed".
Open System Preferences and choose Classic from the View menu. You may see an alert box with the message:
"No startup volume: There is no volume with a system folder that supports starting Classic. Please install Mac OS 9.1 or later."
It may not be necessary to reinstall Mac OS 9. Try these steps:
1. From the Apple menu, choose System Preferences.
2. From the View menu, choose Startup Disk. The Startup Disk pane appears.
3. Note the current Startup Disk selection, which is a Mac OS X volume.
4. Click the Mac OS 9 System Folder you want to bless.
5. From the View menu, choose Show All.
6. From the View menu, choose Startup Disk.
7. Reselect the volume you noted in Step 3.
8. From the View menu, choose Show All.
9. Quit System Preferences.
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I tried re-installing Mac Os 9 with the non-bootable software restore CD that came with the computer but the result is exactly the same.
I am losing it. Is there a solution or shall I say goodbye to classic once and for all and put it in the trash?
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Hi, Mandianne. The second post by "Tatie" in this thread tells how s/he solved your problem.
Another, much simpler tip you may want to try first, before going to the trouble of an Archive and Install, is this: open the Classic pane of System Preferences and click the Start/Stop tab in that pane. If your OS 9 System Folder appears in the small box under "Select a System Folder for Classic", select it. Then click the "Start"button below it and see whether Classic now starts up properly. I don't know for certain, but it seems possible that when you installed Tiger, this important link between OS X and the System Folder that you want it to use for Classic may not have been carried over successfully from a prior OS X installation, or (if you had no OS X installed before Tiger) it needed to be made for the the first time before you tried to start Classic.

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No new Macs can boot in OS 9, which is half the reason Classic was invented to emulate 9 while your Mac is booted in X.
The disk set that came with your eMac does contain installers that will give you a System Folder for use with Classic over X, but not on the main disks…
It's probably on one labelled Additional Software and Mac OS 9 but sorry, these things change from time to time and I haven't seen a recent eMac…

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I am working on my church's computer. The original OS 9.1 is installed on one hard drive and a second hard drive is partitioned with OS10.4.8. The second partition has OS10.0 with fresh install.
The goal is to be able to convert data from a church database application in OS 9 to the new version in OS X. When using classic in the OS 10.4 the system folder used is OS 9.1 from the first disk. I get a message to upgrade that folder to 9.2.2. I have tried to upgrade to 9.2.2 on the OS 9.1 disk but upgrade fails. After many attempts I have been unable to use the conversion program in the church data base application to update data base with new version of application in 10.4. I've tried so many work arounds I am now dizzy. Could you help me get this process organized and successful? The support staff at the database application have told me this is a Mac upgrade issue and that their software is working correctly. I can have the company do the upgrade but I need to have an archive of old church records in the new format.
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Hi, churchmouse, and welcome to Apple Discussions.
The Digital Audio PowerMac G4 was originally shipped with OS 9.1 installed, and can boot into that OS if a) the installation of OS 9.1 was performed using the original, model-specific disc that came with the computer, AND b) the installed OS is in good shape.
There is almost no earthly reason to keep a copy of OS X 10.0 installed on any computer. If someone in the church has a grievous sin to expiate, using OS X 10.0 for a week or two would be a fitting penance. 10.0 was a beta version — barely half there, less than half ready, and pure misery to use.
If I were you, I'd erase the partition that contains 10.0, use the original disc(s) that came with the G4 to install OS 9.1 on that partition, and then update that installation to 9.2.2 witht he downloadable OS 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 updaters (you can't skip 9.2.1). Then I'd designate the new OS 9.2.2 System Folder for use as Classic in the Classic pane of OS X 10.4's System Preferences, and put it to the test. OS X may want to update a few Classic-related files before Classic will open, but the updates should go well now. If Classic opens and works, test to make sure you can also start up the G4 from the 9.2.2 partition: you should be able to do that, too.
If all seems to be well, copy any important data files that are currently stored on the OS 9.1 hard drive from it to the new OS 9.2.2 partition. After converting them to the new file format as needed and checking to make sure they open and work as desired, I'd suggest performing a Clean Install of OS 9.1 on the second drive.
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Might I be able to use this G4 iMac in Target Mode, firewire connect it to the eMac G4, then try to install from the installer disk mounted on eMac or directly from OS 9 CD startup disk running the eMac? Somehow I have to get some Classic Folder onto the iMac G4 before it will allow me to do anything with the installation disk. It will not even let me install onto an external hard drive. The eMac however has Classic working properly, and will allow all these things; and the eMac and iMac are already connected as an ethernet network for file sharing and printing (if that mode could be used to install onto iMac from eMac.)
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I received my Mother-In-Law's iMac DV as a present for my 5 year old. She had the upgrade version of OS X installed over 9 (i think 9.2.2). She was very particular about deleting her old data that was on the drive, and we tried to delete files, but kept getting stuck. I am vary familiar with Windows, so thought a clean install of the OS would work fine to wipe drive...which it did.
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Hi, WIBoomer1 -
Welcome to Apple's Discussions.
In order to have Classic available on the machine, you will need to install OS 9.1, OS 9.2.1, or OS 9.2.2. OS 9.1 is the minimum version that can be used for Classic; OS 9.2.x provides better compatibility in that mode.
The iMac DV (Slot Loading) models originally came with OS 8.6, so its original Software Install or Software Restore disks will not be suitable.
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http://store.yahoo.com/hardcoremac/index.html
EBay is another possibility.
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Is deleting previous systems folder save when looking for more HD space?

Could I copy it to an external HD just in case?

Your current running system isn't using any part of the Previous Systems folder. All of that folder's contents are just sitting there. If there were no old components you want to keep (most likely command line software you may have installed yourself) it is completely safe to trash that folder.

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....or can't be accessed.
Ok so I have trawled the internet and found this to be a known problem, however mine has an extra twist.
Ok, my Mac has a local admin account, lets call it Admin, but the account I use is a network account called PBN.
This network account does not create a home folder path to the server, as such it stores a user folder in Macintosh HD/Users/.
Since buying this mac this has been working fine, no issues, but today when I log onto the machine it gets the error "The home folder for <user> isn't located in the usual place or can't be accessed", whats more is that its created a new folder labelled "~".
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