OS X Lion-specific features (Versions, Auto-Save, Fullscreen)

Why have these not been implemented? Okay, there is Adobe's own version of Auto-Save, and fullscreen is there too (but not in Apple's way where you can use the app as a space).
Versions is the most wanted feature. Is it possible for Adobe to integrate these OS X specific features in the new Photoshop?

I thought I'd take a moment to outline OS X's fullscreen mode in relation to Photoshop's Full Screen Modes and explain why we stuck with our Full Screen Mode in the near term:
Here's the short story:
If we replace Photoshop's Full Screen mode with the native 10.7 full screen mode, then our users will loose the following functionality:
The ability to use multiple displays while in fullscreen mode
The ability to switch between different document windows while in fullscreen mode
This in not something our long time users have said they want to give up.
That said, we're pretty excited about full screen mode in Lion like you guys are, and it's possible that Apple may change the full screen mode in OS X in the future to include this functionality in the future – and we'll continue to evaluate if it meets all our users needs.
Here's the longer story with more details:
Photoshop's full screen model is a per display mode. This means that in multi-displays configurations, some displays may be in Full Screen Mode while others are not. Photoshop's full screen display can can also contain one or more document windows. When a display is in Full Screen Mode, then all document-windows on that display will be full screen when they are brought forward. Photoshop's model has two full screen modes: Full Screen with UI (including the OSX menu bar) and Full Screen without UI (in this mode the OSX menu bar is hidden).
The native full screen implementation in OS X 10.7 is a single display mode. When you enter fullscreen mode on a given display, then all other displays become dark (and windows are hidden on dark displays). Dark displays can contain UI for the active application (but not documents).
When you enter the OSX fullscreen mode, then a new (temporary) Space is created for the fullscreen window. Only a single document window lives in this new Space. This means that you cannot switch between different document windows while in fullscreen mode (command-tilde does nothing).
Here's the definitive/first post on Full Screen mode: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4282217#4282217

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  • HT4753 can i turn off the auto- save versions in Os x lion?

    can i turn off the auto- save versions in Os x lion?

    Archbunny wrote:
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    Why?
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    Because the Save As "feature" in Mountain Lion, isn't actually the traditional Save As that OS X had prior to Lion, but a useless, mock version that is likely to cause data loss.
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