OS X Mail "Organize by Conversation" & attachments icon

I've got what seems like a minor gripe about OS X Lion Mail app's new "Organize by Conversation" view (but it's driving me crazy).
As far as I can tell, if any email in a conversation (thread) has ever had an attachment, then OS X Lion shows the newest message in the "Organize by Conversation" view as bearing an attachment icon in the message viewer window.
This strikes me as unhelpful. I have conversations (threads) that go back months. Just because months ago one email in the thread had an attachment, I don't want to be fooled into thinking each new message that arrives also has an attachment.
Does anybody know if it's possible to turn this "feature" off?
John

True, but that misses my point. I very much like "Organize by Conversation" view. What I don't like is a particular interface feature of "O by C' view, namely that the conversation header displays the attachment icon even when an attachment is not a contemporary part of the conversation but merely occurs somewhere in the (possibly remote) history of the conversation.
For example, one solution would be to have a greyed attachment icon if the conversation contains attachments in earlier messages only, but a black one (or a red one) if the attachment is part of the most recent message.

Similar Messages

Mail organize by conversation is very poorly implemented

In Mail organize by conversation is very poorly implemented as this is based upon the subject line. There should be an option to set it by from address, to address. Generally I find that Apple's ability to categorise data i.e. iTunes store is extremely poor, they really need to make their search and categorisation capabilities for more advanced in the options available to a user.

If I understand correctly, I am having the opposite problem:
Messages with the same subject, but with different senders, are not consolidated into a single thread/conversation.
For example, I receive many emails via a web form, where each message contains the same subject. In 10.6, these messages were ALL listed as a single thread that could be expanded/collapsed. In 10.7, they are now all separate messages in the Inbox (organized by "Conversation"), unless the same sender submitted more than once, in which case they are grouped together. What used to be a neat and condensed display is now a very long list.
I have just upgraded to Lion, and I have tried the various combinations of View by Conversation on/off, Include related messages on/off, etc., but I am unsure of whether this behavior is normal or not.
So, here's my question: When organized by Conversation, what is the criteria used to determine the threading? and, can this be changed?
It appears to be organized by Sender, but this post indicates otherwise. I like Peter's suggestion.
(And yes, I have already rebuilt the Evelope Index.)

Mail "Organize by Conversation" has blank messages

When I click the "Organize by Conversation" in "View", all old emails are nicely organized by thread, and if I click on the 'top' part of the thread (with the triangle) I can see all of the emails, or I can click on an individual email in the thread. If I get a new email in the thread, I can still see it in the top part, but if I click on the individual email, it shows up as just a blank grey window (the color of the background in the mail view). Typically, when this happens, the "Unread" flag stays on, even though the mail has been read.
There are two ways (that I know of) to fix this once it happens: I can uncheck/check "Organize by Conversation" or I can destroy and recreate the message viewer window (Command-W/Command-0). When the message viewer window is recreated this way, the "unread" flag is correctly cleared.
This most often happens with my mail account connected to an Exchange server.
Has anyone else seen this behavior, which seems to me to be a bug.

Hmm, yes, I have exactly the same issue. Apple mail upgraded my IMAP account to an IMAP Exchange account, and now I have messages that stay unread until I unorganize/organize by conversation. Other devices that use IMAP do know that the message has been read...
Any solutions anybody?

Mail organize by conversation mixup

I found there have mixup of over hundred by the organise by conversation function. Could I really organise those and fix the one that not belong to the conversation?
Or where I could setup for the rules that belongs on the same conversation or not?

Mferchak wrote:
I have a similar problem. Since upgrading to Yosemite.
The search will return dozens of emails that are totally unrelated.
Same thing for me. Also, Mail sometime can't group messages with the same object.
didier
[OSM-talk-fr] Couche QA - zones à mapper
JB
[OSM-talk-fr] Couche QA - zones à mapper
See also Question Mail : améliorer l'organisation par conversation
PS: I tried to Rebuild the Mailbox but that's don't fix this issue.

How to turn OFF Organize by Conversation in all mailboxes at once and set it as default?

The Apple Mail Organize by Conversation is not working properly on Mail 6.5 on Mac with OS X 10.8.4 (Mountain Lion).
How to turn off such Organize by Conversation in all mailboxes of at once and leave it off as default for past and new messages?

It works doing it with one mailbox at a time, selecting it and then deselecting "View - Organize by Conversation". A real pain and clealry impractical when you have thousands of mailboxes...
It does not work at all deselecting even all items in "Mail - Preferences - Viewing - View Conversations". After that, all the imported mailboxes have the Organize Conversation active.
Anyone knows how to overcome this? Thanks.

Default to "view as icon" in Mail.app messages (with attachments)

Hello,
Other than using Mail Attachments Iconizer (http://lokiware.info/Mail-Attachments-Iconizer), does anyone know of a way to default mail.app to "view as icon" when adding attachments to messages?
Working in print design, we're always sending PDFs and images and it's a little annoying when you have a large (in dimension, not bit size) attachment and it just takes over your message.
Thanks,
Kristin.

Hello!
Your English is great.
There is no default setting for this in Mail but check Mail Attachments Iconizer.

Organize by Conversation in Mail 6.0 not Working??

Ever since installing Mtn Lion I have noticed a real problem using Mail 6.0 in that 'organize by conversation' seems broken compared to the last version of Apple Mail.
Is it just me or have others noted the same problem? What I am now seeing is multiple orphaned posts on the same subject, and looking at the headers, I cannot see any difference between the orphaned posts and the ones that remained in the original conversation.
 Nick Andriash 
[email protected]
17" MacBook Pro, 2.3GHz Intel Core i7, Memory 16 GB, OS X 10.7.3
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1024 MB
iPad2 WiFi & 3G, 64GB
iPhone4S 32GB

I'm having a different problem organizing my conversations, but I think you're problem can be fixed this way.
Open mail. Click Mail>Preferences. Click on the "Viewing". De-select the "Include related messages" box. I hope that works!

Why does mail insist to "organize by conversation"? I uncheck it and a few days later it is checked.

I don't want my mail sorted by conversation yet I have to uncheck the choice every few days.... why does apple insist that you organize by conversation? I hate it.

Unfortunately, something is just not right even though I pretty much always keep my Macs in good health. When I move that folder (~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail) and let it create a new one, Mail stops remembering ANY preferences. I can move and resize my windows and change my Prefs, but when I quit and relaunch Mail it goes back to some default state with none of my changes honored. Furthermore, when I search for the string "DisplayInThreadedMode" with BBEdit within that folder and all its subfolders, nothing is found.
Maybe it has to do with how many things I disable on the recent OS X versions. I routinely disable Spotlight, Notification Center, Dashboard, Auto-Save & Versions, Gatekeeper, Automatic App Termination.... you know, all that stuff that I never asked for and don't need/want ;-)
Maybe I could try re-enabling Auto-Save or something. Still, no other apps ever seem to behave strangely when I set all these "hidden preferences" to disable these unwanted OS features. Who knows, maybe the Mail team (programmers) just started assuming something was available which they didn't used to assume in 10.8.

Mac mail lion resets organize by conversation

I just upgraded my MacBook Pro (2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo) to Lion and there seems to be a bug in Mail where despite my repeatedly unchecking the "organize by conversation" option, it keeps defaulting back to this. I cannot figure out what to do to make it STAY unchecked -- I absolutely LOATHE "organize by conversation" and just want to use classic view without this and stay sorted by date received. Can someone please help me with this?

I found something similar to this, but I had to uncheck 'organize by conversation' for every folder. Once this was done, it stayed unchecked . But, I've just upgraded to Mountain Lion and it's worse; smart folders don't stay unchecked (neither do VIP's).
I also tried to check 'use classic layout' in preferences, but the mail program crashes immediately I click the check box

Organize by Conversation incorrectly grouping mails with same subject

I'm having a problem with the threaded view - when I create a new email, to a brand new recipient (maybe someone I've never contacted before), if the subject line is identical to some previous email, the new email is automatically added to the "Conversation".
So, for example, I have just sent an email to a client with the subject "Timesheets". After sending it, I see in my outbox that this has been joined to a previous email I sent about 3 years ago to a completely separate client, in which the subject line was also "Timesheets".
Unfortunately, I don't see that this has happened until after I've sent the email, so is there a way to fix this without turning off the "Organize by Conversation" feature altogether?

Time goes on and nothing from Apple
Don't they follow our worries?
I have Mail 6.3 and OS X 10.8.3 - the most updated versions and still the THREADS DON'T WORK as in Snow Leopard mail.
I use mail to work, have hundreds os multiple threads now

Switching off "Organize by Conversation' so that it STAYS off.

I'm constantly wrestling with the "Organize by Conversation" item in the View menu of Mail. I turn it off in one mail box, only to find it remains on in others. I take the time to turn it off in EACH AND EVERY mailbox, and a few minutes/hours/days later it's back on. Any suggestions how to turn this blasted feature off in a way that it keeps it OFF?
Thanks.

Some idiot at Apple decided everyone needs ORGANIZE BY CONVERSATION and there is NO WAY to globally turn it off...
Anyone have a way to globally turn it off?
Maybe through Terminal?

In Mountain Lion, Mail why no "view as icon" option

I used to be able to compose a message, attach a PDF and right click to "view as icon." Now when I attach, I see a preview of the doc. When I save as a draft, the PDFs appear as icons. When a PC user receives them, will they arrive as PDF attachments icons only showing or will it show a preview of the doc in their opening window?

In Mountain Lion mail, it is still possible to switch between a preview and an icon of an attachment.
How somebody else is seeing it when he/she is receiving it it totally up to their mail app. It has nothing to do with PC or Mac or whatever system they use.
So you have basically no real chance to control what the receipient will see when looking at your mail.

Why does Mail reply to the first unread mail in a conversation rather than the one I'm viewing?

When I have "Organize by Conversation" set in Mail and I click on the top of a conversation group which brings up all the messages in that conversation, usually highlighting the earliest unread message, which is fine behavior.
However, when I scroll through the messages to a more recent read or unread message and now have a completely different message in view than that first one, when I hit Reply, Mail replies to that earliest unread message even though it is completely not in view. This is very confusing and frustrating behavior for me since I would expect mail to respond to the message I'm looking at, not one I was looking at a few minutes ago! I can probably get around this by turning of the conversation view, but I like that part and this seems like a big that should be fixed.
Is anyone else frustrated by this strange UI-ism? Know a work around?
Thanks

Thanks for the reply CT. I forgot to say I wanted to use just the keyboard. II was using the keyboard shortcut cmd-R for reply when I was having the problem.
I think there is some set of keys that I stumbled upon once to delve into the messages in a conversation but I can't rememember it, recreate it, or always remember to highlight the message I'm looking at before I hit cmd-R.

Organize By Conversation

I updated my Mac Book Pro to Yosemite 10.10 last week. I have an issue where my Organize By Conversation opens upwards. What I mean is that I've selected in preferences. most recent message at the top. which is what I want, but the way my mail worked before the update is I'd click open an email, and it would filet all emails in that Organize By Conversation window downwards. Here's the issue, I receive over 500 emails daily for my website Pilot TV Network and I have over 10,000 emails in some of my Organize By Conversation windows. When I open it, it drops to the bottom and then I have to scroll upwards and upwards and upwards, until I find the start of the thread. Someone please help, thanks, Terry

Hi it shouldn't say MacBook Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9.4), it's actually OS X Yosemite (10.10)
Thanks, Terry

TS1627 Please Help. I received 4 emails from 1 person with the same message heading. The emails were automatically grouped by Mail. I replied to the latest mail in the conversation. Once sent the other messages in the conversation disappeared. I NEED THEM

Please Help. I received 4 emails from 1 person with the same message heading. The emails were automatically grouped Apple Mail. I replied to the latest mail in the conversation. Once sent the other messages in the conversation disappeared. I NEED THEM BACK! They all had very important attachments. I have tried looking for them in deleted items, even though I didn't throw any of them away, still cant find them. Never had this problem before. I'm pretty sure its a setting somewhere. Also tried expanding all conversations, no luck. Searching for the mails under the sent email address, no luck.
I'm sure they are not deleted but have somehow been hidden by Mail. Very frustrating.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Kash.

I have found found out what has happened. I had requested a statement dating back to April 2012 from a supplier. They replied back with the latest statementof 2013 only but used the same subject heading as the previous monthly statements. Apple Mail automatically grouped these and I thought that they were sent altogether. As soon as I replied to the last email all other the previous emails ungrouped from the conversation leaving me lost as to where they had gone. They were all still sitting in my inbox but no longer part of the trcked conversation. I searched under the subject heading and all individual mails were all still there. (feeling stupid - )

OS X Mail "Organize by Conversation" & attachments icon

Similar Messages

Maybe you are looking for