OS9 on my powerbook

Does anyone know if it is possible to install and run OS9 on the new powerbook G4. I want to be able to switch between OS9 and OSX. The classic environment won´t run the protools demoversion. So i have to run it from OS9.

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Do I need OS9 on my Powerbook?

I never use OS9. Can I totally delete it from my powerbook? How do I do that and is there any special folder or way to go about it?

These are the steps for deleting Classic:
1. Drag the folder /Applications (Mac OS 9)/ to the Trash
2. Open the folder /System Folder (from old Mac)/, select all of the items in that folder and drag them to the Trash or press ⌘+Delete
3. Empty the Trash
4. Log out and back in again or restart your PowerBook
5. Drag the folder /System Folder (from old Mac)/ to the Trash and empty Trash
Be sure that you don't make the mistake of moving or deleting items from the folder /System/.

Installing OS9 on a Powerbook G4 1Ghz

OK, I have the original DVD for my G4 Powerbook 1Ghz. The powerbook has OS X 10.4.5 installed, as well as many OSX applications. OS 9, nor OS 9 in classic mode are installed on the Powerbook.
When I open "Install Applications & Mac OS 9" on the DVD (I am not starting up from the DVD as per the instructions on the DVD), and click on the hard drive to install the software, it tells me that the choosen volume contains software that is newer than the software I am installing and says it will replace the newer software with the older. (Fine with me, as far as OS 9 goes) I click continue to install the software and it tells me I cannot continue becaues there is nothing to install. I have checked in OS X System Preferences, Startup Disk and there is only OS X 10.4.5. OS 9 is not there. What can I do to get OS 9 installed on this powerbook without initializing the hard drive and starting over? I do not want classic mode.

Hi, Chuck -
...it tells me I cannot continue becaues there is nothing to install.
Perhaps this Apple KBase article may help -
Article 301719 - Mac OS X 10.3, 10.4: "Nothing to install" alert message

Installing OS9.2 on Powerbook 1 Ghz Titanium

I am trying to install OS 9.2.1 on my G4 Titanium Powerbook. It has 512 mb RAM and is a 1 Ghz. It currently has OS 10.4.5 on it. I do not have the original OS 9 install or restore disk.
I have tried installing OS 9.2.1 from a G4 9.2.1 install disk as well as a retail version OS 9.2.1 disk. It starts up fine from the disks, but when I ckick to install the OS, it bombs with both disks.
I also tried not booting up from the disks, but just putting them in and trying to install from there. It tries to go into classic mode, but I do not believe Classic is on the computer because it says it cannot find it. I also do not have the original OS 10 install disk, but do have a copy of the install disk someone burned.
Any ideas? I really need OS 9 on this computer.

Hi, Chuck -
Your model is of the last series of the TiBooks. Unfortunately, although that model can (sometimes) boot to a OS 9.2.1 Install CD, it can use only the model-specific version of OS 9.2.2 that originally came with it.
In order to install a bootable OS 9 on it you will need to acquire a set of the original disks that came with it. You can sometimes get replacement originals from Apple's Customer Service, by phone. The number for that (and other Apple numbers) is on this page -
http://www.apple.com/contact/phone_contacts.html
If you do not need a bootable OS 9 on the machine, and need it only for use as Classic (Classic is a full install of OS 9.1 or later, used within OSX as a program to provide an environment in which to run many OS 9 programs), then you can copy an OS 9 System Folder from another machine.
Some users have also successfully copied the System Folder from an OS 9 Install CD for use as Classic - note, though, that those System Folders have a very limited assortment of control panels and extensions, and some services may not be available.
Also, a non-bootable OS 9 System Folder will not be upgradeable - all OS 9 upgrades (download updaters) run only when the machine is booted to OS 9.

Firmware update when OS9 has been removed?

I removed OS9 from my Powerbook G4 to save HD space. Now I need to update the firmware and it requires OS9 to do it.
How can I update the firmware from OS X (10.4.8) ?
Installing OS9 again would not be possible at this point since I have no space on the HD.
PowerbookG4 Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi sagaro,
first of all: WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSIONS!
OS 9 needs only appr. 300-400 MBs on the hard disk. If you are so short on hard disk space you will have to completely reinstall very soon anyway because MacOS X will damage all your files. You should make a complete backup of all your data immediately!!!
MacOS X needs at least 5 GB of free hard disk space at all times in order to run properly. With less than that you will be in major trouble sooner than later.
In order to reinstall OS 9 there are different procedures depending on what kind of restore/install disks you have:
Using Apple Software Restore to install or reinstall parts without erasing (Mac OS X 10.1.5 or earlier)
Using Restore Discs with Mac OS X 10.2 through 10.3.3
Mac OS X 10.4: Restoring applications from a Mac OS X 10.2 Software Restore disc
Using Restore discs with computers that ship with Mac OS X 10.3.4 through 10.3.7
Using Restore discs with computers that ship with Mac OS X 10.3.7 or later
Mac OS X: Reinstalling Mac OS 9 or recovering from a software restore
Mac OS X 10.2, 10.3: How to perform Mac OS 9 clean installation with Restore CDs
Once you have to reformat the hard disk make sure you do that while booted from the OS 9 install disk since this ensures that you also install all necessary hardware drivers!
If this answered your question please consider granting some stars: Why reward points?

Can't Upgrade Versions

I got a Powerbook G4 to replace my desktop computer, and I want to switch my Final Cut Pro software over to the new computer. I have version 1, and the upgrade to version 3.
I can install v. 1 on my computer, but since FCP is not supported by Classic, I cannot open the program to register it. Thus, when I try to upgrade to v. 3 it tells me I need to use an original CD, not an upgrade CD, because it cannot detect a registered full version of the software.
Does anyone know how I can either register Final Cut Pro 1 in Classic mode, or use the upgrade CD without having a registered version installed on my computer?
Thanks,
Isaac

The best way is to contact apple for a replacement disk, but I'd probably boot the powerbook in target mode, hook it to your desktop, copy a System Folder to it. Your desktop should be able to boot into OS9 from the powerbook in target mode to install v3 onto in, no?
Patrick

OS 9 Apps on OS X - What am I missing?

Please forgive me if my questions are naive. I'm not much of a computer person.
I've been happy with my PowerBook G4 running OS 10.4.10 - great setup. Until this week, I also had an old G3 running OS9 .
I have two apps that require OS 9 to run and my old G3 laptop which I've been using just gave it up and is not worth the repair.
I've heard of people installing "Classic" on their OSX computers - and I even posted the question some time ago - but I didn't get any responses that I could understand.
I have my G4 Tiger discs - none of which appear to have Classic on them. I'm happy to do a complete reinstall if it will get me OS9 in addition to OSX, but again, nowhere do I find Classic on the discs. I do remember someone on my earlier post saying that some of the later discs no longer had the older OS on them.
I do have my old G3 OS9 discs - I don't suppose they are of any use are they?
How can I quickly add OS9 to my Powerbook G4, which is now running 10.4.10? Do I need to buy additional install software?
Thank you in advance for anyone who'll take time to help me.
Lastly, my internal CD/DVD drive on my PowerBook G4 is shot and I'd like to avoid the cost of repairing it. Can a clean install be done with an external DVD drive, which I've been using for some time? Will my fried internal CD/DVD player prevent me from installing OS9?
John

Hi John, and a warm welcome to the forums!
but I didn't get any responses that I could understand.
Just let us know if you don't understand... it's not your failing, but ours!
I do have my old G3 OS9 discs - I don't suppose they are of any use are they?
See if your PBook can boot from it. If it can, then see if you have OS9 drivers installed on your HD, if not you need to erase it and choose the option to install OS9 drivers to get the OS9 install disk to work.
You just need to get a copy of OS9 on it to use classic, if you have an HD with OS9 installed, you can just copy the System & Applications folders over without the need for OS9 drivers on the HD you have Tiger on.
Do I need to buy additional install software?
Not unless we can't get OS9 copied over to it from an HD, then you'd need a copy of OS9 that will install from CD on your PBook.

Want to run classic OS9 on a 17inch Powerbook. Mac OS 9.2.2 & 10.3 DVD

Hello
Can anyone tell me where to get a copy of the Mac OS 9.2.2 & 10.3 DVD, to install on a Powerbook G4 17 inch, which is already running 10.4.8
I want to be able to run OS9 classic.
G4 Powerbook 17 inch Mac OS X (10.4.7)

you should be able to copy functional 9.2.2 System Folder from another Mac and then just select it in Classic preferences in OS 10.4.8 to run it.

Reading iMacG5 superdrive discs on g4 powerbook with OS9.2

Hello: I have burnt DVD's and CD-R's using both the Disc
Utility and Roxio Toast Lite on the G5 Superdrive. They
read in fine on the G5 but when I attempt to read them on
my G4 powerbook ( which uses OS9.2 and does not have a
built in burner ) the laptop does not even recognize the
discs and unceremoniously ejects them after a while.
Would anybody know the reason for this?

Those disks are only designed for G5 use.
You need the retail 10.4 installer disks to install 10.4 on a Powerbook G4 which did not come with 10.4.

OS9 install problem with 10.4.9 powerbook

I got an OS9 retail disc to run classic on my system because I dont have any of the discs that came with the computer. First I tried to boot classic from the disc, but evidently that wont work because changes need to be made but the disc is of course read only, and it wont continue. Then I copied the system folder from the disc to the hard drive but an error comes up that says OS9 will only start up from the original disc. I also could not boot the disc and it doesnt and I cant get it to appear in the startup disc screen in sys preferences. I have considered getting a CD-RW and copying the OS9 disc onto it but I dont have one. Please help, I am a noob with OS.
Thankyou very much

Hi, Mark -
Are both Macs identical? If not, that could explain the problem.
Normally, when OS 9 is installed, it is tailored to be specific to the hardware on the machine running the installer; this installation will not be capable of booting another model Mac, one with different hardware.
However, such an install OS 9 can be used as Classic on a different machine - since Classic does not directly access the machine's hardware, full compatibility in that regard is not necessary.
There is a way around this using a retail OS 9 Install CD to do a universal (boot any Mac) install of OS 9. In your setup and following the way you have gotten OS 9.2.2 onto the PowerBook, this would mean your "Mac A" would need to be able to use a retail OS 9.2.1 Install CD.
Simpler would be to use either the original disks that came with the PowerBook and install OS 9 from those, then update as needed; or, if it is an original PowerBook G4 or a PowerBook G4 (DVI) model, use a retail OS 9.2.1 Install CD to directly install OS 9 onto the PowerBook.
One other item of note, perhaps - in order for a volume to be bootable using both OSX and OS 9 (on a machine capable of booting to either), it must have been formatted as Mac OS Extended (also called HFS+), and be no larger than 200GB.

Install OS9.2.2 on PowerBook Ti , using SW disk from earlier rev PowerBook?

I have a 1Ghz Ti PowerBook that i'd like to install OS 9.2.2 on to run and boot off. No classic or OSX on the HD.
However by mistake i stupidly threw out my PowerBook Ti software restore disks, and have been having trouble finding suitable disks which will install OS 9.2.2.
I've tried OS 9.1 retail disk but this does not work. I've been told that ONLY the software restore disks that came with the PB will work.
So far i've had no luck finding the disks, BUT i have managed to track down software restore disks from the prior rev PowerBook to the Ti.
This was the "Ivory" PowerBook which had 667Mhz, and 800Mhz G4 cpu's.
The disks for these computers have OS 10.1.4 and OS 9.2.2 on them.
(The Ti disks had OS 10.2.3 and OS 9.2.2 on them)
Anyone think these disks from the previous PowerBook model to mine will work in installing OS 9.2.2 on my machine?

Is the other portable computer's OS 9.2.2 software on a separate
disc from that model's OS X software installer? Usually that would
be something that would be installed after OS X, in many later Macs
which supported OS 9.2.2 either as dual-boot, or as Classic under X.
If you have a disc with the OS 9.2.2 system installer on it, from
another Mac, and it is not installed on another Mac, you may be
able to make use of it. And this, only if the computer is already
capable of using it (if OS9 Drivers were needed under X, they'd
have to be installed already, if booting 9 was expected) and then
you could try & install Mac OS 9.2 while the computer is running
OS X; not by the OS9 Installer. Use Pacifist utility, in demo mode.
(This software can also put an OS 9.2.2 install on an external HDD,
so it can be used with a computer that does not have OS X in it.)
That method will extract the bits from the 9.2 install disc & put them
together on the computer's desktop in OS X, and then install that in
to the computer. I've been able to extract and install an unused 9.2
system from an iBook G4 second disc, into a different model G4
iMac 800MHz and then dual-boot the iMac between Tiger & 9.2.2.
The iBook's version of OS 9.2.2 was from about 2005 or so, and
the iMac G4 800 was a few years older.
There may be some missing extensions and control panels in a
version of OS 9.2.2 that probably was intended as Classic in X.
But these will boot a computer, and can be installed via Pacifist.
However, the software user agreement may be in question; so
if you are experimenting and have discs that do not match your
computer, it may be possible to at least check this out.
Since my situation was different, in that I knew the OS 9.2.2 had
not been installed in any computer (was only on media disc but
not installed in the computer when new) I felt OK in my use of it
to experiment and used Pacifist (download) in OS X to do it.
Your mileage may vary; however once you have a working 9.2
system in a supported computer hardware, you can drag/drop
it and if not too slow, use it in an external hard disk drive. Later
USB2.0 Macs could probably use it from a flash drive in Classic.
I had fun times with many pre-9.2.2 systems, in that some
curious extensions and control panels could work in different
system builds, often unexpected moments of compatibility.
However, management of extensions in a boot 9.2.2 can be a
problem if the computer uses that system as Classic. OS X
does not see many of the older OS 9.2.2 bits under its control.
So a minimalist system 9.2 is what works in OS X's Classic.
And once, I had a system disc from an eMac G4 work
to install Panther 10.3 and OS 9.2 in an iBook G3 white.
Good luck & happy computing!

Mac os9.2.2 on a powerbook G4 667mhz (older model)

I have an older powerbook G4,i always had os9 on it and recently i decided to install the osx 10.1 that came with the machine.It installed fine,and i updated it to 10.1.5.I still have os9 on the machine,i just installed osx on a seperate partition.Then i realized i need atleast 10.2,to use logic pro 6.So i thought it would be easy to just erase the osx i installed.I dragged everything that was osx to the trash.Then i shut the computer down and turned it back on and a picture of a broken folder appeared on my screen.I zapped the ram holding down option apple,r and p and it started up in os9 fine.I ran norton disk doctor to check for any problems and there were tons of problems.So i decided to erase the two partitions other then the hard drive.I have no problems now.There was a message that came up in norton saying there is no blessed folder?I dont know what that means,i dont know what to do.Also when i erased the other two drives i forgot that there were things in the partition,so it erased them.What should i do at this point,install everything i had back to the G4,or do i have to do something about this blessed folder thing?I should have left well enough alone it was running fine for years.I thought it would be better to go to osx,so if in the future i go on the road i could record some ideas and then easily transfer them to my powermac G5.

Hi d rock;
Norton is not compatable with OS X. It is known to cause more problems then solve them. It is also extremely dangerous to run Norton from OS 9 with OS X files on your system. Norton is to dumb to recognize them and will attempt to fix them for you making them totally unusable.
Allan

G4 Powerbook needs OS9

I've been researching how to install OS9 on Tiger.4.11. I just purchased this Powerbook and the person did a clean install and sent me the disc. However, I can't figure out how to install OS9. I looked here http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1585?viewlocale=en_US#m9, but I'm still confused.
The disk that came with the PowerBook will allow me to boot from it, but there isn't an OS9 option that I can see on the disc; I'm taken directly to install.
I have several other bootable OS9.22 Disks that came with my Panter, and the cat before Panther, but when I insert any of these and treat them as a bootable disk by holding down the C key, they don't hold the boot; Tiger is still the active hard drive.
Do I need to start over and partition the HD so I can install OS9, and then select that HD as the classic system location, or is it possible to install Tiger and OS9 on the same HD? Perhaps I am remembering Panther being able to do this, and not Tiger.
Please set me straight.
Patt

If you have a later model PowerBook G4 which cannot boot into OS 9.2.2 or before at all,
but can use OS 9.2.2 as Classic (non-boot, setup via OS X in system preference pane) it
need not be "Installed" as such, at all. And it need not have OS 9 Drivers installed, either,
for an OS 9.2.2 version to be used as Classic under OS X, in supported OS X systems.
+{Usually a replacement copy of the original software disc set, if available from Apple care+
+or sales support for a fee, would have all the native & included software in the disc set.}+
If your old Panther system disc with the OS 9.2 system software installer on it, is not
now in use in any other computer, and the OS 9 disc is one you own, you can use it
via a software utility known as Pacifist from CharlesSoft software (download) & extract
the OS 9.2.2 system installer from the Panther disc set and Pacifist will install it.
*• Pacifist:* http://www.charlessoft.com/
A shareware that runs in demo mode.
I've done this, no problem. You could even use the second disc (unused in any other Mac)
from an iBook G4 original software install/restore disc, and Pacifist, to get a correctly
installed OS 9.2.2 system from those discs. Otherwise, the discs will not work at all.
Any reasonably similar vintage software set with OS 9.2.2, and other bits, that you own
and if you bought an incorrect disc separate from a computer it was intended for, it may
still yield useful software if you use Pacifist to extract & install the bits from the Desktop.
Another option, is to copy an OS 9.2.2 system from some other source, an already installed
one; and you can drag/drop a working copy of that old system. It need not be cloned to use it
but it should not be a multiple copy used outside of the Apple software user's rules.
What kinds of jobs or tasks do you require OS 9.2 in the computer, to perform? Is there any
free ware or low cost good quality shareware version that could do the job without OS 9.2.2?
Best wishes & regards...
Good luck & happy computing!

Missing letter Q on my Powerbook (previously listed in OS9 group in error)

I have a Powerbook G4 1.5 Ghz 512 MB DDR SDRAM running 10.4.6 In the past couple of weeks the lower case Q has stopped working -as you can see I can use the upper case Q but lower case results in a "bong". Spell checker will correct any misspelt words so the system still recognises the letter. This is affecting all programmes (e.g. Word for Mac, Safari, Mail) but I can still use control Q (in lower case) to Quit a programme. Keyboard viewer indicates that lower case Q is assigned to the correct key. If I change my keyboard layout from British to say, U.S. or Australian I have the same problem, but if I log into my wife's desktop all letters work normally. Also if I press Alt Q (lower case) I get "œ" so the hardware is clearly OK. Any suggestions would be much appreciated
PowerBook G4 15-inch 1.5GHz: iBook G4 12inch 1.3GHz Mac OS X (10.4.6)
PowerBook G4 15-inch 1.5GHz: iBook G4 12inch 1.3GHz Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Course of action taken to solve this problem is listed on the "Using your Powerbook" forum

Noise on music output from OS9 Powerbook G3

I have a Powerbook G3 laptop and hate throwing working Macs away!!!!
Having replaced OS8 with OS 9.1 (OS (9.2 wouldn't install), I installed iTunes 2.0.4, I know it said it had to be a Mac with a USB, but I persevered...
Both were successful, and work very well 'internally', and the mini stereo jack output to a Marshall PA amp works, but with an unacceptable level of 'noise'.
I was going to give up, but checked a CD in AppleCD Audio Player, and the 'noise' was identical, so I concluded it's a general, not iTunes specific problem.
Has anyone come across this problem and solved it. I'm short of cash, but full of imagination...
pmjps!

Thanks Don,
I found an unused and still sealed gold plated stereo minijack to phono connector among the many things that I have never thrown away. My Marshall has a phono input on the aux channel. That reduced the 'noise' considerably!!! I changed the mains cable on the Marshall for a brand new one, and with a lot of wiggling in it's socket on the back of the Marshall.... Hey Presto... almost no noise at all. Very acceptable! So thank you very, very much.
Next problem-ette...
Can I import an MP3 (a paid for and downloaded musicians backing track) into Garage Band? I want to extend the song by cutting a verse and solo from the middle and adding it in to allow for a further verse and solo to lengthen the song? I have GarageBand version 3.0.5 (104.10) running on Mac OS10.5.8, but I can do stuff on more powefull macs if necessary.
Next, I want to add a har I have SM58 microphone, and a Berringer mixer, but I don't know how to connect it to the Mac, if it's possible even...
Finally, for now, can I then save and export what I've done as an MP3 and play it with iTunes again on the G3?
Sorry to be so 'demanding', but maybe you or your colleagues know some of the answers...
It's a lovely weekend ahead in Essex, so if you're in the south of England, have a warm and enjoyable weekend.
Paul

OS9 on my powerbook

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