OSB to SOA Suite communication

Hi,
We have an OSB cluster and SOA Suite cluster, spread over multiple servers (either physical or virtual) where each OSB managed server is on the same underlying O/S server as a corresponding SOA Suite managed server. A hardware load balancer will be used to expose an endpoint to service consumers. The load balancer will then distribute requests to either of the OSB managed servers.
My question is should the communication between the OSB managed servers be load balanced (and distrubuted) to the SOA Suite managed servers or should each OSB managed server speak locally to the corresponding SOA Suite managed server ?
My concern is that load balancing to SOA Suite introduces complexity without solving a resiliency problem (assuming a config over 4+ O/S servers), whereas local and direct communication keeps it simple in terms of logfile traceability and optimal performance (i.e. not going out on the netowrk again). I can see that in the event of a SOA Suite managed server going down or failing, you have to have a protective measure to ensure that requests to it's parent OSB managed server are stopped. This would need to be implemented at the OSB load balancer level.
I'm interested to understand what other people have done in this situation or if I'm missing some insight that would influence wither way.
TIA

user4709830 wrote:
My concern is that load balancing to SOA Suite introduces complexity without solving a resiliency problem (assuming a config over 4+ O/S servers), whereas local and direct communication keeps it simple in terms of logfile traceability and optimal performance (i.e. not going out on the netowrk again).This looks interesting... Assuming OSB and SOA servers are always in pairs hosted in the same machine, there's a high probability that if one is down, both will be down... Makes sense...
I can see that in the event of a SOA Suite managed server going down or failing, you have to have a protective measure to ensure that requests to it's parent OSB managed server are stopped. This would need to be implemented at the OSB load balancer level.Well, try to go around in the event of the half break, i.e. OSB up and SOA down, will be complex... I think here is a matter of assess the risk of that happening, the impacts and the effort needed to mitigate the impact versus the advantages you mentioned (logfile traceability and optimal performance)... How good are those advantages and would they really pay the effort/risk?
Hope this helps...
Cheers,
Vlad

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     <soap:Envelope      xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
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SOAP Header:
<soap:Header xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
</soap:Header>
Body:
<ns2:SyncEmployeeIDRequest xmlns:ns="removed" xmlns:ns1="removed" xmlns:ns2="removed">

<ns:PersonIdentificationAssertion>

<ns1:PersonBirthDate>
<ns1:Date>2008-09-28</ns1:Date>
</ns1:PersonBirthDate>

<ns1:PersonGivenName>string</ns1:PersonGivenName>
<ns1:PersonSurName>string</ns1:PersonSurName>
</ns:PersonIdentificationAssertion>
<ns1:DepartmentIDText>string</ns1:DepartmentIDText>
</ns2:SyncEmployeeIDRequest>
SOA Generated(works if plugged into OSB form field)
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<soap:Header xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
</soap:Header>
<soap:Envelope xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
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          <ns1:SyncEmployeeIDRequest xmlns:ns2="removed">
               <ns2:PersonIdentificationAssertion xmlns:ns3="removed">
                    <ns3:PersonBirthDate>
                         <ns3:Date>2008-09-28</ns3:Date>
</ns3:PersonBirthDate>
                    <ns3:PersonGivenName>string</ns3:PersonGivenName>
                    <ns3:PersonSurName>string</ns3:PersonSurName>
</ns2:PersonIdentificationAssertion>
</ns1:SyncEmployeeIDRequest>
</soap:Body>
</soap:Envelope>
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     <soap:Body      xmlns:ns1="removed">
     <ns1:SyncEmployeeIDRequest      xmlns:ns2="removed">
     <ns2:PersonIdentificationAssertion      xmlns:ns3="removed">
     <ns3:PersonBirthDate>
     <ns3:Date>2008-09-28</ns3:Date>
     </ns3:PersonBirthDate>
     <ns3:PersonGivenName/>
     <ns3:PersonSurName>ALastName</ns3:PersonSurName>
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     </ns1:SyncEmployeeIDRequest>
     </soap:Body>
     </soap:Envelope>
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     </soapenv:Envelope>
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Thank you for your time.
~Nick

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