Osx desktop vs osx server disk fragmentation?

does anyone know if 10.5 server is any different than 10.5 desktop regarding disk fragmentation? if server is any better then desktop at minimizing fragmentation, i might just go there...
thanks-

while i never rule out the possibility of hardware problems, in my experiences, hard disk failures have generally had similar symptoms... the symptoms tend to be cyclic retrys for reading, i can here the retries, and the computer has interrupted responsiveness... another type of symptom i've seen with disks that are failing is corrupted files (usually unreadable with a disk error message, reading or writing) poping up... the disks where i've had fragmentation issues, it has always been long continuous reads, but the computer doesn't have any halting in responsiveness... it's mostly slugishness when accessing large files, like starting programs...
although i don't rule out the possibility of a disk problem, the symptoms are matching the later case at the moment... of course, when i eventually try something to address fragmetnation, that should help either eliminate the problem or rule out fragmentation and suggest the latent hardware problem... like the saying goes, there are 2 kinds of hard drives, those that have failed and those that are going to fail...
regarding the suns, they were servers and ran software as well... we had x-windows terminals as well as macs and windoz computers running software on the suns (mostly thru x-windows)... they also were nfs servers for our sun workstations on peoples desks... although we didn't have the bloatware that is ubiquitous these days, we had a fair amout of large simulation software for finite element analysis, circuit simulation like pspice, database software, etc... some people wrote and compiled software on them... they were also our mail servers and our gateways to the rest of the network... i seem to recall framemaker in the mix for a brief time... (not sure what ever happened to that company...) we had 3 servers and about 130 to 140 people in my working area. yes, many of those people were doing lesser activities like email and not running simulation software... but it is still nothing to sneeze at...
although this was toward the start of "the web" much of what is done on computers today had already existed before that... it was just not well known... before there was "chat", unix had "talk"... i've had an "internet" based email since 1985... there were image viewers... i recall seeing the 1st streaming mpegs sometime in the early 90's. of course the internet did not have the bandwith so the streaming mpeg was very slow... but i digress...
one of the most intersting developments i thought was really hypercard on the mac... it was the prototype for the web... it had graphics, scripting, networking access for transfering and displaying information, rudimentary animation, etc.... if it had been multiplatform and an open protocol instead of apple only, that might have been the model for the web... well, i've digressed again...
regarding disk fragmentation, the basic unix partitioning scheme really reduces the disk fragementation issue... that is to format with 3 partitions, 1 for the OS, 1 for the user files, and most importantly 1 for /var for all the temp files that get created and swap space for virtual memory... since the files which come and go and change size a lot are on the /var partition any fragementation from those would be restriced to that partition... since it is changing of files that causes the fragmentation, the temp files which change more freqently often drive the fragementation issue... the occasional reboots tend to clear out the temp files in /var... so with this scheme, the majority of the fragmentation is limited to /var, which is cleared and much of fragmentation isn't normally persisant across reboots...
at least that is my experience... i recognize that others may have different opinions or experiences... thanks for the trip down memory lane... i miss the days when there were standards for how the internet worked before microsoft arrived on the internet and made all these competing non-standard protocols... but that is another topic...

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