Out of Order Message

I just noticed that this thread http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11098474 from February now appears on the list of "My Posts" at #10 among messages I posted yesterday. In addition, all three messages of that thread show a blue half-circle icon, which I thought meant that they'd been updated. Has the discussion group software lost its mind? Thanks to anyone who can explain this to me.

Niel wrote:
The hosts edited it for usage as a featured topic.
I guess I should feel flattered. Thanks for the explanation. I see now that I could have answered my own question if I'd scanned the list of messages more carefully.

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I've updated the firmware to the latest version but it still shows this message and will not copy. I have reset to factory settings and the copy button will light up momentarily and then dim again, and the fax button does the same. I have done a cold reset with the same results.
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Hi,
I was just doing a regular maintenance check with Onyx and to my surprise it said I needed to repair the disk using the Installer DVD and Disk Utility.
I did this and again to my surprise I seem to have a problem.
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Thanks. Unfortunately my battey died and now I am stuck on the apple logo at reboot. Opening disk utility via the install disk doesn't work as disk utils doesn't recognise any disks (even though I hear them spinning)
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Keys out of order?

i think this is a command line question. i recently unplugged my B&W G3 so i could use the space to play with my new (to me) G4. i also "borrowed" some RAM from the G3 to install in the new machine. when i tried to hook up the G3 again, it would not load anything. i did the usual 'zap' and 'option' dance, which did finally bring the beast to life, but it would go to black screen where i would get "root". i know very little about Mac OS command line, so i didn't try to do anything there. i would type 'exit' which would give me a run down of the start-up POST and end in a "panic, stops here" line [sorry, not the exact term, but your get the idea].
so i put in the OS install disk (OS 10.4) and run the first aid utility to see whats up. i get a red line that reads "Keys out of order, needs repaired". what does that mean? i ended up erasing the hard drive and am now reinstalling the OS, but was wondering what mistake i may have made to crash the system in the first place.
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 Cheers, Tom

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Hi, weird but not completely inexplicable.
Indeed Disk Warrior is your best bet, IMHO every Mac oener should have it.
I wouldn't completely trust any clone/backup once you get that error.
Generally the only real fix for that error is DW, or Zeroing your drive & reinstalling.
http://supportdb.alsoft.com:591/FMPro?-db=alsoftsupport&-lay=main&-max=15&-forma t=AlsoftSupport-qa.html&-script=counter&-token=182&-Skip=101&-find

From previous post HD gone, Keys out of order???

Thanks to those of you who answered my last post. You're really a beacon of hope in what seemed at the moment, a Mac-less (or at least a HD less) world.
I ran First Aid from the utilities menu, and it came up with a "keys out of order" message. The utility wasn´t able to fix it, so the question is: will diskwarrior do the trick?? I mean I really have a lot of important material in that computer, but I would like to know if this is going to work, before paying $90 bucks...also, as I will be receiving the download in another mac...do I have to make a boot disk or is it possible to do a remote fix?
thanks a lot

No one can answer this question. A reported "Keys Out of Order" is a significant problem and although Disk Warrior has been known to work miracles and should work, there is no guarantee provided.
Are you able to boot from and access this hard drive at all so you can transfer/backup all important data?

I have an iMac mid 2010. After Disk utilities said the drive was corrupt, I ran the hardware test (extended) 3 times. No problems. I than ran Disk utility again and got 2 messages in red-keys out of order, and --Volume corrupt, can't be repaired. I tried

I have an iMac mid 2010. After Disk utilities said the drive was corrupt, I ran the hardware test (extended) 3 times. No problems. I than ran Disk utility again and got 2 messages in red…keys out of order, and ……Volume corrupt, can't be repaired.
I tried to do a system install, but message said…disk can't be changed. Will a complete erase and install fix this ?
Everything is backed-up.

There's hardware and software.
Your drive could physically be in good condition but something has caused the file structure to be messed up (it just happens sometimes). The directory that keep track of files is corrupt. Disk Utility can help determine if that is the issue. In some cases it can repair the problem but it cannot do it to a drive that is being used to boot the system while you are doing that. You have to boot from another drive. Some things DU cannot repair and you need to try a stronger utility such as Diskwarrior.
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This is a well known bug on Skype network affecting mainly users of the latest Skype versions on Windows and iOS systems.
Spoiler (Highlight to read)
http://community.skype.com/t5/Windows/Timestamp-Bug/m-p/1295416#M98834
http://community.skype.com/t5/iPhone/Why-messages-arrive-with-the-incorrect-time-from-I-updated-my/m...
http://community.skype.com/t5/Live-Messenger/Random-message-order/m-p/1294932/highlight/true#M1956
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http://community.skype.com/t5/Android/Message-puzzle-on-Skype-Samsung-Galaxy-Ace/m-p/1292790/highlig...
http://community.skype.com/t5/Windows/Notification-sound-plays-after-receiving-new-message-but-messa...
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Hi,
It is the same app version and build number.
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Of these some people are reporting that in some cases the restarting of the app restores the correct order.
It seems this may be the ones that arrive as New during the sync process rather than other occasions.
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However refreshing the Link to the server may be the way to go.
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http://www.apple.com/feedback/ichat.html
State your OS version number and the Messages version number in the free Text area.
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I get that problem too..
Your right its really annoying.
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Happy New Year Tuttle and ROdan,
This is an interesting problem, unless of course it is happening to oneself!
FWIW, there has apparently been success with a G5 booting in OS 9 without extensions. See:
This got me thinking. If the machine is already on, and the OS tries to mount the disk, but the disk driver is damaged, well, bad things happen. Also when he writes, “When the drive spins up, the system loads the drivers from the device, and then executes it.” Really got me thinking. So obviously I cannot have the OS load the driver. But how do you make the Mac NOT load the driver? And more, even if you could, would the Mac even “see” the drive and mount it?
In OS 7, 8, and 9, a common work around to get your Mac to boot when it was having problems was to hold down the Shift key to turn off extensions. Most problems in OS 9 and earlier were caused by extensions, so it was a very handy tool to use when troubleshooting problems on your Mac. But there is no equivalent in OS X that I am aware of. So what to do?
Step Five: OS 9 with no extensions.
I remembered from my IT days that if I booted Mac OS 9 without extensions on, any attached FireWire drive would also appear on the desktop. So I shut down the G4 running OS 9.1, fired up the G5 in Target mode, waited for it to get up and running, and restarted the G4 9.1 machine with extensions off.
Victory! There was the bad drive, as well as the good one, in the G5 mounted on the G4’s desktop!
Step Six: Copy! Copy! Copy!
Before I did anything else, I quickly copied all the files I was missing since my last backup. Unfortunately, that also meant copying around 40GB of music files. So late Saturday night, I started the copying, and by Sunday morning, all my files were now safely on the good G5 250GB hard drive.
Step Seven: Repair Time!
The first thing I did was run the OS 9 version of Disk Tools on the bad drive. As expected, it could not fix the problem. But I had, prior to connecting the G5 the first time around, installed the OS 9 version of Alsoft’s Disk Warrior on the G4.
I ran Disk Warrior on the bad drive. It took a LONG time. What Disk Warrior does is builds a new directory on a drive, which I was hoping would cure my problems. After three hours, Disk Warrior was done. It found a BUNCH of problems. To be on the safe side, I ran it again. This time it took only a little more than an hour, and did not find any more trouble.
Shutting everything down, I rebooted the G5. I held down the Option key so that I could tell the G5 which drive to start from. It only saw the new drive as a viable boot disk. Oh-oh...
I held down Command-S to bring up UNIX after the next boot, and ran FSCK-F on the bad drive. It worked, fixing a few thousand items. Yikes! What did Disk Warrior do? I ran it again, and it repaired some more. Three times, and it was done.
Restart.
Welcome to Macintosh!
And all was well in the world.
A few things to take away from this:
Not all problems are as bad as they seem. There are usually always solutions to your computer problem. Some involved thinking way outside the box. How many people would have figured that Mac OS 9.1 with extensions off would be the solution to this Keys out of Order problem? Certainly not I.
In most cases, Disk Warrior would have fixed this problem without all the run around I had to do. If you don’t already own it, you may want to go pick up a copy. It’s well worth the small investment.
FSCK is not always going to repair or fix your problems. So be sure to back-up your data often.
Having two hard drives is WAY better than having only one. If you have an iMac or Portable in which you cannot cram in another drive, look at external Firewire hard drives.
It is also helpful to have another Mac laying around for the Target Mode trick. Can’t afford one? I see them on eBay all the time, REALLY cheap!
Hope this article helps someone else out there if you ever run into a similar problem
The full link is:
http://www.mymac.com/showarticle.php?id=1817
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