Outdoor 5ghz MIMO deployment.

Hello..
We are interested in adding 5ghz N MIMO to our existing outdoor wifi 2.4ghz hotspots. Currently we have 3 x 1310 ap's with MSO24014 all-terrain antennas (seen in the attached photo) atop 19 foot towers..
I'm looking at either 3 x 1532E AP's paired with 8 dBi AIR-ANT2588P3M-N antennas or 3 x 2603 paired with the 6dBi AIR-ANT2566P4W-R antennas.
Here are my questions:
The 1532E has a 27dbi (500mw) tx power, while the 2603 has only a 23 dbi (200mw) tx power.. Both are obviously better that the 1310's 20dbi (100mw) tx power. But how much is too much? It seems like these 1532e's at full tx paired with the 8 dbi 2588P3M antenna might push the signal too far for mobile devices to respond.
I'm curious how an omni 5 dbi cisco antenna would perform on these towers if mounted on the metal tower structure. Would it be a waist of time due to the obvious reflection pattern the towers would cause?
I was thinking about placing the antennas around the 17 foot mark..
My goal is to bring pure 5ghz N MIMIO to the existing towers while leaving the 2.4gh alone. Bringing cell coverage in for a good quality coverage but not too close since this is an RV park.

Thanks for all of your assistance..
I'm having trouble finding a strait forward webiste for calculating distance, but I have been able to figure out the formula from these forums..
The Cisco 1532E ap has a tx power of 27dbi. We're using 2 x 25 foot CFD-400 cables (.35dbi loss per meter). Combined with Cisco's 8 dBi AIR-ANT2588P3M-N.
EIRP = Device TX Power - Cable Loss + Antenna Gain
That gives me 27dbi - 2dbi + 8dbi = 33dbi
(do I need to add both cable -dbi loss into the above equation)
Free Space Loss =(20*LOG10(D5*1609.344))+(20*LOG10(D9))-27.55
I have the MCS -dbm chart for the AP but I'm not sure how to put that together with a typical Laptop / iPad device.
Is 25mw with 0 - 2di antenna still pretty average for Laptops and iPads?
Thanks for your help

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Total Number of AP Groups........................ 4
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Venue Group Code................................. Unspecified
Venue Type Code.................................. Unspecified
NAS-identifier................................... Fractal-WLC1
Client Traffic QinQ Enable....................... FALSE
DHCPv4 QinQ Enable............................... FALSE
AP Operating Class............................... Not-configured
Capwap Prefer Mode............................... Not-configured
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2.4 GHz band..................................... <none>
5 GHz band....................................... <none>
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--More-- or (q)uit
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GUR-AP-05 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f4:4e:05:80:b5:18 default location 1 IN 1
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GUR-AP-06 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f4:4e:05:80:b3:e0 default location 1 IN 1
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GUR-AP-04 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f4:4e:05:78:ae:64 default location 1 IN 1
GUR-AP-09 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f4:4e:05:80:b4:44 default location 1 IN 1
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FAL-7-AP07 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:92:bc 7th Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-7-AP13 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:91:80 7th Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-7-AP02 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:91:94 7th Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-7-AP05 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:91:e8 7th Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-7-AP12 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:25:f0 7th Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-7-AP03 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:25:e4 7th Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-7-AP06 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:91:84 7th Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-7-AP04 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:bf:b0:14 7th Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-7-AP09 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b4:c8 7th Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-7-AP11 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:93:08 7th Floor 1 IN 1
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Venue Group Code................................. Unspecified
Venue Type Code.................................. Unspecified
NAS-identifier................................... Fractal-WLC1
Client Traffic QinQ Enable....................... FALSE
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Capwap Prefer Mode............................... Not-configured
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2.4 GHz band..................................... <none>
5 GHz band....................................... <none>
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1 group for mumbai Disabled None
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FAL-3-AP09 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:25:94 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
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FAL-3-AP06 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:bf:ae:d0 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
--More-- or (q)uit
FAL-3-AP10 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b5:88 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-3-AP08 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b4:9c 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-3-AP03 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:bf:af:a0 3rd Floor 1 IN 1
FAL-3-AP12 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b3:fc 3rd Floor- Eurek 1 IN 3
FAL-3-AP02 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:25:28 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-3-AP01 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b4:f4 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
FAL-3-AP04 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:92:8c 3rd Floor 1 IN 2
FAL-3-AP05 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:91:f4 3rd Floor 1 IN 3
Site Name........................................ RAHEJA-AP-GROUP
Site Description................................. RAHEJA-AP-GROUP
Venue Group Code................................. Unspecified
Venue Type Code.................................. Unspecified
NAS-identifier................................... Fractal-WLC1
Client Traffic QinQ Enable....................... FALSE
DHCPv4 QinQ Enable............................... FALSE
AP Operating Class............................... Not-configured
Capwap Prefer Mode............................... Not-configured
RF Profile
--More-- or (q)uit
2.4 GHz band..................................... <none>
5 GHz band....................................... <none>
WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control Radio Policy
5 raheja-interface Disabled None
2 raheja-guest Disabled None
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FAL-RAHEJA-AP04 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:24:1c Near Meeting Roo 1 IN 3
FAL-RAHEJA-AP02 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:37:3c Confrennce Room 1 IN 3
FAL-RAHEJA-AP03 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:30:93:48 Near Confrence R 1 IN 3
FAL-RAHEJA-AP05 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:bf:ae:c0 Near Meeting Roo 1 IN 3
FAL-RAHEJA-AP06 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b3:a0 Near Server Room 1 IN 3
FAL-RAHEJA-AP01 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b3:20 Reception Area 1 IN 3
FAL-RAHEJA-AP08 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:8d:25:68 USER BAY ROAD si 1 IN 1
FAL-RAHEJA-AP09 2 AIR-CAP2702I-D-K9 f0:7f:06:92:b4:d4 Training Room 1 IN 1
--More-- or (q)uit
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Site Description................................. <none>
NAS-identifier................................... Fractal-WLC1
Client Traffic QinQ Enable....................... FALSE
DHCPv4 QinQ Enable............................... FALSE
AP Operating Class............................... Not-configured
Capwap Prefer Mode............................... Not-configured
RF Profile
2.4 GHz band..................................... <none>
5 GHz band....................................... <none>
WLAN ID Interface Network Admission Control Radio Policy
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2 guest wifi Disabled None
3 gurgaon-interface Disabled None
4 gurgaon-guest Disabled None
5 raheja-interface Disabled None
6 test Disabled None
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f4:4e:05:78:ae:64 GUR-AP-04 Joined Flexconnect
f4:4e:05:78:ae:e4 GUR-AP-01 Joined Flexconnect
f4:4e:05:80:b3:2c GUR-AP-02 Joined Flexconnect
f4:4e:05:80:b3:e0 GUR-AP-06 Joined Flexconnect
f4:4e:05:80:b3:f8 GUR-AP-07 Joined Flexconnect
f4:4e:05:80:b4:44 GUR-AP-09 Joined Flexconnect
f4:4e:05:80:b5:18 GUR-AP-05 Joined Flexconnect
Efficient AP Image Upgrade ..... Disabled
Master-AP-Mac Master-AP-Name Model Manual
Group Radius Servers Settings:
Type Server Address Port
Primary Unconfigured Unconfigured
Secondary Unconfigured Unconfigured
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Group Radius AP Settings:
AP RADIUS server............ Disabled
EAP-FAST Auth............... Disabled
LEAP Auth................... Disabled
EAP-TLS Auth................ Disabled
EAP-TLS CERT Download....... Disabled
PEAP Auth................... Disabled
Server Key Auto Generated... No
Server Key.................. <hidden>
Authority ID................ 436973636f0000000000000000000000
Authority Info.............. Cisco A_ID
PAC Timeout................. 0
Multicast on Overridden interface config: Disabled
DHCP Broadcast Overridden interface config: Disabled
Number of User's in Group: 0
Vlan :........................................... 203
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 205
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 204
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Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 206
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 207
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 208
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 209
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 210
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 211
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 212
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
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Vlan :........................................... 216
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 217
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Vlan :........................................... 218
Ingress ACL :................................... None
Egress ACL :.................................... None
Group-Specific FlexConnect Wlan-Vlan Mapping:
WLAN ID Vlan ID
WLAN ID SSID Central-Dhcp Dns-Override Nat-Pat
(Cisco Controller) >
(Cisco Controller) >show wlan summary
Number of WLANs.................................. 6
WLAN ID WLAN Profile Name / SSID Status Interface Name PMIPv6 Mobility
1 FRACTAL-EMP-MUMBAI / FRACTAL Enabled group for mumbai none
2 FRACTAL-GUEST / FRACTAL-GUEST Enabled guest wifi none
3 FRACTAL-EMP-GURGAON / FRACTAL-GURGAON Enabled gurgaon-interface none
4 GURGAON-GUEST / FRACTAL-GUEST-GURGAON Enabled gurgaon-guest none
5 RAHEJA-EMP-WIRELESS / FRACTAL-R Enabled raheja-interface none
6 TEST-SSID / TEST-SSID Enabled test none
hope this will give you proper understanding.

Using LAP1242AG as RAP for Outdoor Mesh

Hi,
I am looking at building a outdoor mesh to provide free open wireless, the plan is to use two AIR-LAP1242AG mounted inside our building with external antenna's attached to the outside as RAP's, LAP1524SB's will be chained from the RAP's going in two different directions. I will use direction antenna's for the 5GHz backhaul and dipole for the 2.4GHz user network, but with the very last LAP1524SB in each chain will use a dipole for the downstream 5GHz backhaul with a couple of extra LAP1242AG's to provide extra coverage on buildings with the same AP inside and external antenna's.
We will be using a 5508 Controller which also controls our internal wireless of AP 3502i's.
Would this work? and is it a reasonable to use LAP1242's for the RAP's to save dollars? Any advice would be much appreciated.
Thank you
Allister

One more thing, WCS? Do NOT get WCS. This product has been superseded by the Prime NCS.
Whether or not you should consider the VM-version or the hardware version will depend entirely on the number of WAPs you plan to have.

Deploying internal and external wireless users

what i have npw AP1232AG, WLSM and SUP720. i,ve implemented wlan for our internal users, via fast secure roaming. Now i want to setup the connection for external users. i have a seperate internet connection for external users
. what is the best method to deploy wireless for external users?

Best from the perspective of antennas and radiation patterns, or best from the perspective of integrating the indoor / outdoor systems?
Or "external" meaning guests?
Please clarify the question ...
Scott

Outdoor Access Points - coverage a Large outdoor area

Hi all,
I would like a suggestion for coverage a large outdoor area. I have critical restrictions to perform any equipment deployment.
I have 2 km of radius to performe a wireless coverage, but I can put a Access Point just around the corners.Which AP and Antenna Cisco could I try to perform it?
Does Cisco have any antenna with 1 to 2 km of range ? Does any client will be can reply to this distance (1 to 2km)?
What do you think about WiMAX ?
thanks,
Murilo

You cane use Cisco Aironet 1300 Series Outdoor Access Point/Bridge:
Benefits
Industry-Leading Performance
• Data rates of 54 Mbps in the 2.4-GHz band
• Bridge range of 20 miles (32 kilometers [km]) at 11 Mbps
• Aggregate throughput approaching 28 Mbps
• Maximum transmit power of 100 milliwatts (mW) for 802.11b and 30 mW for 802.11g. Maximum power setting will vary according to individual country regulations.
Antenna Interface
• AIR-BR1310G-x-K9 or AIR-LAP1310G-x-K9: Air interface (integrated directional antenna)
• AIR-BR1310G-x-K9-R or AIR-LAP1310G-x-K9R: Two RP-TNC type connectors for external antennas
• For vehicle-installed deployments, over 100 km per hour speeds at 12 and 24 Mbps with 128-byte packets at 1 percent packet error rate (PER) (workgroup bridge mode connected to a Cisco Aironet access point or bridge)
• Support for antenna diversity
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-1300-series/product_data_sheet09186a00802252e1.html

Typical propagation distance of outdoor(1552E series) access point

Hello All,
I need to propose an design for outdoor WAP deployment for an huge resort. As it is a complete open space area without any obstruction, I believe the signal can be propagated easily in over 35 meters radius across the access point. However I don't get any documentation to know exact propagation distance.
Could someone please share their experiences as to what is the ideal distance of signal coverage that could be covered by a typical Cisco outdoor access point? I do not want to go for over quoting as that might result from the client opting for other vendor's product. I would thus want to go with most appropriate plan.
Also apart from 11ac capability and multiple spatial streams, does 1570 AP have any other major improvement as well our its predecessor 1552E series AP.
Please share your expereinces.
Best Regards,
Muhammed Adnan

Factors Affecting Wireless Networking Performance
There are many factors that affect your Wireless Networking Performance that are dependent on various areas within the network itself from the technology of the devices used, the local environment the signals will travel through, the fundamental physics behind wireless transmission and more. Some of these cannot be avoided and measures must be taken to try to minimise the negative affect that these factors will have on the network performance but others can be resolved completely either though equipment upgrading or good network planning.
There are some well known factors that affect Wireless Networking performance that most people will identify easily but that does not lessen their importance when considering network planning, these are:
Obvious Factors Affecting Wireless Networking Performance
    Physical Obstructions
    Network Range & Distance between Devices
    Wireless Network Interference
    Signal Sharing
Quite Well Known Factors Affecting Wireless Networking Performance
    Network Usage & Load
    Poorly Deployed Antennas
    Local Environment Characteristics
    Spectrum Channel Limitations
    Signal Reflection
    Wireless Signal Restriction
Lesser Known Factors Affecting Wireless Networking Performance
    Transmitter Power Limitations
    Backwards Compatibility with Older Standards
    Polarisation of Signal
    Speed Loss Due to Wireless Overheads
    Lowering Performance to Stay Connected

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