Output levels question

When I am recording a vocal track the levels meter is well under clipping, but still quite strong; however, upon playback, it barely shows action in the meter. But, the Output 1-2 levels (which is combining all my vocal and insturment tracks) shows clipping about +6.0. If I mute the vocal track the Output 1-2 is back under clipping range.
What do I need to look for?

every time you had a track the summing amplifier will
increase in dbs.
Is it best to keep the Output at 0db and lower the volume of the tracks (and/or using other adjustments)?
check for compressors or eq in the chain
Yeah, I need to do this. I haven't done a complete mix for the tracks yet. I just added some reverb via Bus 1 so the vocals wouldn't sound so dry/flat on playback.
select all your other tracks , shift and click on the
other tracks to drop them down simultaneously
Do you do this in the Arrange window or the Mixer window? I tried it in the Mixer window with three of the tracks. Two of them worked and the third jumped to a totally different level, so I went back to adjusting them individually. And, after selecting them do I move the slider for one and the others follow?

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, and large reason for that is the fact that it always seems to lack any sort of conclusive solution
I think it always yields a conclusive solution.
After all, if my question was "I need to be able to play the guitar to put some guitar down" most answers would be either "You should get a guitarist who has the skills already" or "Learn to play the guitar".
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You are comparing two different things. When you are hearing it in Logic, there is a playback level going through your interface and to your speakers. When you play the same audio through iTunes, you are playing through an entirely different chain - iTunes, with it's own volume control, through the system with it's own volume control, and so on. Also in iTunes, often people have all kindsof stuff switched on like EQ settings, or the audio leveller function, which is further going to change stuff.
Just remember that the "volume" you hear is more dependent on how loud your are setting various volume controls than what the contents of the file are. If you're not sure on this stuff, then probably the best way to compare your mixes to commercial stuff is to burn them to CD and play them back on the same system.
Again, I have no need to normalize at all since my mix has a loud average volume throughout without spilling over into clipping territory on the peaks.
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