Output to Cineform AVI

I use Cineform AVI as an intermediate, and have been unable to get SpeedGrade to successfully export a Cineform AVI. The output file is complete gibberish, and the audio drops out after roughly 4 seconds.
Here are the settings I am using:
And here are the settings from the main Output screen:
Automatic Color Calibration: unchecked
Write ALE file to output path: unchecked
No burn-in
No calibration look-up table
Render annotations: unchecked
Flash burn-in for: 0
Full Image: No Proxy
1:1 square
Same Size as Proxy
Online Quality
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.

Hi there,
the updated statement is correct: SpeedGrade should read Cineform files fine (and did so in the past). Rendering to Cineform is something that's not supported yet - feel free to add this as a feature request on adobe.com
Pat
kinvermark II wrote:
David modified his reply....
Basically, Speedgrade can READ Cineform files but cannot RENDER/OUTPUT to Cineform files.

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With all of us not being able to get back into adobe.com or the forums, I started to write replies in Microsoft Word so that I could copy/paste further comments the minute Adobe got things working again. The following is what I got done so far...
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Dear Todd_Kopriva
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