Overlay my motion menu

Make most of DVD menus in Motion but still have not figured out haveing the overlay as part of my of my menu, what i mean is i have a 2 minute menu but my buttons wont be active until 30 seconds in but when i draw the buttons out DSP the button is highlighted the whole time i need the overlay only to be active at a certain time can i control this in DSP. Thanks

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Overlays for a motion menu

I'm having trouble creating overlays for a motion menu. I've imported my background for my motion menu into dvdsp and it works fine. Now I need to add buttons to it and that's where I'm having trouble. How do I accomplish this? My background has all of the text, I just want to add arrows and use those as buttons over my moving background.
Help is appreciated.

You create an overlay and map it out such as this
http://dvdstepbystep.com/newmap.php
And this highlights the text
http://dvdstepbystep.com/motion.php
So what you should do (easy way) is export the motion menu (last frame) in the proper size and drop it into Photoshop. In what app did you create the background and do you have Photoshop? Can be some sizing issues depending on the workflow.

Motion menu buttons in Layered menus

I´ve got a PSD Layered menu and I need to have a preview of the film playing either as the button or just on the menu, either way I can´t get the track playing in the motion menu.
Is there a way to do this?
Thanks
StooB

I´ve just seen I can´t use video in layered menus, that´s after creating the whole menu system without being told in the manual...
Can I use Overlay mapping to display a layer or image over each of the 9 buttons to select?
I need some help!!
Thanks!

Button overlays on motion menus question

I've made up a motion menu in which the buttons move from off-screen and into position. However, before they get there the button overlay is already highlighted. I've seen menus like this where the button overlay only appears when the buttons come into their final resting place. Can anybody advise how to do this?

Not sure how you made the overlays or where you set the loop point.
If you make the overlays in Photoshop or Motion and set the loop point to the final resting place, then it should work.
http://dvdstepbystep.com/motion.php

Motion Menu backgrounds are the same through different languages... why?

I'm building a project with several still menus, but one motion menu for main title. The Project has two languages, Spanish and English, and I've created the menus for both languages. Still menus have the same background and different text objects. The motion menu has different video backgrounds for each language, and the same overlay for both. So far so good, everything works as expected in the simulation window, I can see the desired background after setting the language menu preference.
Then I build the project and... DVD player shows only the first language background, no matter the language I choose in preferences. But this happens only in the motion menu, still menus work fine.
I opened the menus VOB in the build folder with MPEG Streamclip to check what happened, and the same video background appears twice. Other commercial DVD's I've checked show the different backgrounds sequentially, so the player chooses which point of the VOB must be played according to player's SPRM 0 setting.
I tried altering the order of languages in DVDSP outline editor, I had Spanish first then English, and after swapping them and building again, the menus VOB shows English background twice.
The result is no matter which language I choose to see, I always get the one that is first in outline editor.
I also tried, just for checking, assigning different text objects to both languages, and they do work as expected. But since the menu has an intro with a loop point where I want the text to appear, this is not a deffinitive option for me.
I understand this is a bug in DVDSP, so the question is... any workaround anyone may think of?
If someone knows how I can edit the vob manually that would do for now.

Hi DGuerra, based on a past thread, the missing comments may be related to using avast! and its browser add-on(s).
Firefox is so easy to customize that it's not really surprising to find differences between two systems. These can relate to the menu choices (orange Firefox button or classic menu bar), toolbar layouts, and of course, add-ons.
If you have a preference for one setup versus another, hopefully these articles can equalize some of those layout issues:
* [[Display the Firefox button menu instead of the menu toolbar]]
* [[Customize Firefox controls, buttons and toolbars]]
You can compare extensions on the Add-ons page. Either:
* Ctrl+Shift+a
* orange Firefox button (or Tools menu) > Add-ons
In the left column, click Extensions.
Perhaps you can get the two side-by-side to make it easier, or to extract a text list, you can use the troubleshooting information page. Either:
* Help > Troubleshooting Information
* type or paste about:support in the address bar and press Enter
The button in the upper left corner "Copy text to clipboard" will grab the configuration information from entire page.

URGENT! Hide buttons til after loop point on motion menu?

Hi,
Is it possible to hide the buttons on a motion menu til AFTER the loop point?
I have a menu where there is a 10 second motion graphics intro, then a loop point, then 30 seconds of slight motion graphics in the background. As it should, after 30 seconds, it loops back to the loop point and only plays the last 30 seconds again and again.
The problem I am having is that the buttons appear on the menu at the start, which looks awful as they get in the way of the 10 second motion graphic intro.
Is there a way to make the buttons only appear at the 10 second (loop) point?
As a side note - I tried doing the 10 second intro on its own track, then having the track jump to the menu, but that creates a little delay that is quite noticeable.. It's not a smooth and continuous flow like the way I am doing it above.
Thanks!!!
Jason
G5 Dual 2.5Ghz, iMac 17" Core2Duo 2.0ghz, G4 900Mhz, 900mhz G3 iBook Mac OS X (10.4.7)

JF:
I add the button graphics into my background movie at the loop point. Then, I create an overlay file in Photoshop and add it to the menu? It will then only activate at the loop point, which works well since that's where the text would appear in the movie?
That's right!
I don't know is how to add the overlay in
Select your menu, and in the Inspector windows you'll find the Select Overlay option and navigate to your PSD overlay file.
I think that this Basic Menu Tutorial (from Drew13's www.dvdstepbystep.com site) could help you to create a basic overlay. Just keep the background of your file WHITE and your overlays graphics BLACK.

Motion Menu to Layered Menu transition with Music?

I have created a motion menu with video as an intro, then I want to transition (dissolve or FX) to a standard graphic menu made in photoshop as a single layer with simple buttons overlayed in DVDSP, all with a single, unbroken music track under both as it plays. Can it be done?

Can't be done. Each element (menus, transtions, tracks, ect) are all located in their own "container" within the DVD structure. Because of this, you cannot have unbroken audio.
Just make your intro and main menu one piece and adjust your loop point to have your 8bits appear when you'd like.

Skewed text in motion menu

Hey all. I have a motion menu where the art director has the txt built on screen on a skewed angle. So the text looks like its angled 3d into the page slightly. Its subtle but creates a nice visual effect.
The problem is the square boxes that encase the overlay highlight (shape to the left of each text) and button text itself can't extend over the entire text because of the skewed angle of it. Not a big deal for a DVD player with just up and down functionality needed, but for a computer with mouseovers, its an issue.
Is it possible to have invisible buttons that when rolled over or "selected" it actually toggles the hightlight state of a different button.
Hope that makes sense. I don't believe its possible but I thought I would ask. Maybe there's a way to script the button state in some way (cross platform).
Thanks!
Fish

hi,
well it depends what you want to do with the text, but if you make the text in Motion it will be vector based so you have more control over resizing and you can use parameter based animation presets on it. If you make it in photoshop first it will rasterised, so you have no control on editing it, resizing, changing font, and you cant use the behaviours
hth
adam

Initial button state in motion menu

I have a 5 sec motion menu and I want the active button state to delay highlight until the motion is done. I did not set a default button hoping it wouldn't select while playing but that didn't work. Is there a work around?

I just did this in a recent project. You have to use a menu overlay, then set the motion menu’s loop point at 5 seconds. The buttons will be invisible until you hit the loop point. The menu will continue to loop, but won’t include the first five seconds.
I could not get it to work with DVDSP’s built-in buttons.

Music in motion menu

Hi All
I have created a motion menu with sound. The graphics fly around and settle and then the overlay appears at the loop point set. However, because I have the music starting at the beginning of the motion menu when the loop kicks in the music begins abruptly. Is there any way of fading in the music at this point.
kevin

You need to plan and edit the audio and video content so that the loop point will work as you'd hope. There is no setting in DVDSP to fade the audio up when you jump to a loop point.
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Hello Every time I create a motion menu the play buttons have a fuzzy outl

Hello
Every time I create a motion menu the play buttons have a fuzzy outline. I really don't like this and would love to know how to avoid it as it looks really bad and not crisp.
Here's how i do it:
1) I create the motion menu in AEX and add in the button here. I have the button coming in about 5 seconds after the start to give a delayed effect and this will therefore be the loop point I set in DVDSP.
2) I then export out a Photoshop layers file from AEX and then bring this file into Photoshop to make the overlay. I'm not sure if I'm doing this step correctly as I then go Image/adjustments/levels and make the play button black
3) I then make the menu an .m2v and bring this and the overlay .jpg file into DVDSP.
4) When I select the play button the edges go fuzzy. This particular PLAY button was the text PLAY in white, with a black outline. Maybe this black outline had something to do with it?? I've also had heart shaped buttons for example and this does the same thing.
Hope you can help.
Many thanks, Margie

One thing that could help is not using a .jpg which is compressed. A .tif may work better (to some degree).
Not sure if you are using text highlights or something else when you mention you make the button black. Larger text (20pt plus, Sans Serif) can often help. Part of it also may be the selection process of what you are changing. Sounds like you are sending out the highlights as a seperate layer by itself. If so you do not not to switch it to Black, depending on the color you can map it out in DVD SP.
Another thing is that if the highlight is in the motion menu (unhighlighted) the highlighing may be slightly off of the underlying item making it a bit fuzzier. Could also be colors.
On pt 4, not sure if you mean select as "I pressed the button for the action" or as just moving to the button. If the former, then there can be a slight shift as the DVD itself moves to different place. Feathering the black edges may also help....

Motion menu / poor quality / low resolution

Hi everyone,
I'm having some trouble with motion menu resolution.
I'm working on a project that consists of six short video clips. As first play, I'm using an asset that contains all six video's. After this, I want to introduce a motion menu showing the six clips - allowing the viewer to watch certain clips again and again.
To achieve this, I created separate tracks for each of the clips, and dragged these from the outline window to the menu window.
The project is working (basically) how I want it to, except that the resolution / image quality of the clips in the motion menu is not anywhere near sufficient.
I know that the 'simulate' option is limited in this respect, but I'm talking about the menu as it is shown in apple dvd player. I first tried building the project and viewing it in apple dvd player, and even burned an actual dvd to see if that would help - which it didn't.
I have searched the manual and these forums for answers but haven't been able to find a solution.
Here's hoping someone has an idea!
Thanks in advance,
Lianne.
G4 Mac OS X (10.4.7) DVDSP 3.0.2

Hi Drew, you again Thanks for your response.
After reading the manual chapter you mentioned and a chapter it refers to, I decided that my menu does need to be rendered. It said in the manual that changing the final rendering from hardware to software should result in a better result. I tried that and I do think the resolution is marginally better - still no good though!
The video tracks themselves (which were used to create the buttons in the motion menu) look fine, even when I stretch the window to the max. This suggests to me that the video in itself is okay. I don't understand why the same clips look so bad in a menu where they are only 1/8 the size? I would expect quite the opposite...
Might it have something to do with the way I've created the buttons (i.e. dragging from the outline window?). I'm going to try and create the menu in a different way.
In the meantime, suggestions are still more than welcome!

For all of you who are having Motion Menu render problems - try this

Just humour me for a minute.
I have another Sonic application, and a known bug in the Motion Menu rendering applies to 29.97DF projects only.
IE, NTSC.
Often the video in a motion menu will fail to mux.
There are workarounds though.
1 - Make sure your GOP structure is 15 at most
2 - Make certain the frame length of your video file is divisible by the GOP structure. IE, it must be a multiple of 15 frames.
3 - if these both fail, reduce the bitrate of the video 500kbps at a time until it muxes. Most will work at 7,000, some need to be 6,000 and there are even times when you need to go as low as 4000.
Try it - Encore uses a Sonic Authorcore, so it's worth a look.

>Are you saying that NTSC 29.97 divided by 15 is okay?
Not really.
What I am saying is that your movie frame length should be divisible by the GOP structure with a GOP of 15.
With NTSC video, you can have GOP lengths
i up to
18, but it is not mandatory to go to 18 - 15 is a perfectly acceptable figure. You could use a GOP of 12 if you really wanted to. What this means is typically the number of frames between I-Frames.
MPEG-2 encoding (AKA "Moving Pictures by Educated Guesswork") P & B frames work something like this:
i P-frames provide more compression than I-frames because they take advantage of the data in the previous I-frame or P-frame. I-frames and P-frames are called reference frames. To generate a P-frame, the previous reference frame is reconstructed, just as it would be in a TV receiver or DVD player. The frame being compressed is divided into 16 pixel by 16 pixel macroblocks. Then, for each of those macroblocks, the reconstructed reference frame is searched to find that 16 by 16 macroblock that best matches the macroblock being compressed. The offset is encoded as a "motion vector." Frequently, the offset is zero. But, if something in the picture is moving, the offset might be something like 23 pixels to the right and 4 pixels up. The match between the two macroblocks will often not be perfect. To correct for this, the encoder computes the strings of coefficient values as described above for both macroblocks and, then, subtracts one from the other. This "residual" is appended to the motion vector and the result sent to the receiver or stored on the DVD for each macroblock being compressed. Sometimes no suitable match is found. Then, the macroblock is treated like an I-frame macroblock. The processing of B-frames is similar to that of P-frames except that B-frames use the picture in the following reference frame as well as the picture in the preceding reference frame. As a result, B-frames usually provide more compression than P-frames. B-frames are never reference frames.
In short, the I-Frame is the full description reference frame. A P frame is also a reference frame but describes the difference between the last I-Frame & itself. A good analogy is when you are on the telephone & describing what you see to a friend. The initial background description (The street, the sky, what you can see etc) would be an I-Frame. Then you describe a person walking down the street - that would be your P-Frames, as you are only describing the i changes
in the scene.
The bitrate can also affect things - I mentioned this too, and if a motion menu will not mux, first make sure that the film length is divisible by the GOP, and that the GOP is 15.
If it
i still
won't mux, drop the bitrate by factors of 500 until it will.

Motion menu not working

I'm frustrated. In the menu, under Properties/Motion tab, I select the video that I want to set up as my motion menu and it's not working. All I see is a static image of the video clip. The audio works but not the video clip set for motion. Please help.

But what I remembered is using part of a clip in Encore and I had a hell of a job to, anyway, unsuccessfully work the sound out ok. This is when I made the exact clip I needed in PP and imported it in Encore. Then I set the loop for ever. This way you can have this clip playing till someone chose what to wathch. I guess it's nice to have some movie starting automatically when there are not to many choices from them.
When doing both a Motion Menu and also adding Audio to it, you will probably be best served to Export these as elemental streams from PrPro, and Import those into Encore.
I will create a new Sequence in the Project, and create the Video part to the intended Duration for the Motion Menu. Same for my Audio, and often do this in yet another Sequence. I will chose Audio source files with quite a bit of repetition during the Duration, and a fade-in/fade-out to it. I've marked a half-dozen SmartSound pieces, that work very well for this.
The Video is Exported as DV-AVI Type II, with NO Audio, and multiplexing is turned off.
The Audio is Exported as either PCM/WAV 48KHz 16-bit, or AC3 DD 5.1 SS through the SurCode encoder (plug-in that costs ~US$250) for Surround Sound, NO Video and no multiplexing, obviously.
Doing it this way solves a lot of potential problems. Muxed files can cause issues with En, though not always.
One caveat that I learned the hard way - if you have Audio on your Menu and also Button Transitions with Audio, you will want the Audio for each to match perfectly in format and CODEC. Otherwise you will probably loose the Audio in one, or the other. Last caveat - stay as far away from MP3's as you can. Some work, some just do not and the quality will already have suffered greatly. I only use these for some of my SFX in PrPro and never, never for anything else.
Good luck and don't forget to Render those Motion Menus... [Grin]
Hunt

Is it possible to have a video loop while audio plays in a motion menu?

Hi!
Here's the deal:
I have a seamlesly looping 8 second video clip for my motion menu, but the audio file for that menu lasts 1 minute. For rendering time/disc space and bit budgeting purposes I would like to use the video file as a loop while the audio file plays trough in my motion menu.
Is it possible to have the video file loop while the audio plays trough, or do I have to make my video 1 minute long too?
Any help will be appreciated!

The video must also be 1 minute long too.
You could always loop the 8 second clip though.
Load up Premiere, add your loop & 1 minute audio clip.
Set 2 seconds silence at the head of the audio.
Loop your 8 second clip 8 times to give you a 64 second video clip.
This will give you 2 seconds of silence at the trailing end, but there is really no other way

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