Oversaturated prints not matching Pantone swatch

Head is melting with this HP lazerjet 2550L. Nothing prints as it should or matches Pantone swatches. All my prints are way too intense in colour but the odd thing is that my monitor matches exactly the pantones in the swatch booklet (which is new, not faded). Strangely enough, i have had some test prints done from a repro place and they the colour is the same as my printer! Can't figure out whats goin' on. ANY advice would be great, before i chuck it out the window. Thanks in advance.

Just because the monitor colours are close doesn't mean it is calibrated. I often find it is due to more good luck than proper CMS.
But more importantly when was the printer last calibrated? Does it use an internal visual cal or have you used a densitometer/spectro? And is the printer Pantone certified? A lot of colour LBP's struggle to get anywhere near the output of those ink-based swatches.
Regards,
Paul

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From the Swatches panel Flyout menu, choose New swatch.
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Hi,
I used the 3d tool on one of the graphics, and it rendered fine onscreen. When I go to print it, it is appearing incorrectly, and transparently - not matching what's on screen. Why might this be?
I experimented with printing from a PDF as well (the PDF also looked fine onscreen). No luck...
Any ideas?
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can you show a screen shot using the camera icon in the tool bar of the message dialog of this form to attach the screen shot.
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What might also be good to show is a scan of the printed item.

Print not matching screen

print does not match screen
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Most folks seem to have the monitor brighter than optimum.
I edit my prints in a room with no overhead lighting and use a desk lamp so that no light shines on the monitor. If I put my hand on the monitor surface the back of my hand is dark; no light shinng on it.
Go to this website: http://outbackprint.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi049/essay.html
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I would also suggest you adjust the monitor brightness and contrast to 50% level as a starting point.
The ColorMunki isn't calibrating your printer, its calibrating your monitor.
As a test, adjust your monitor brightness up and down, print an image at each setting, and you will see that all the prints will look exactly the same since you haven't affected the digital file.
Calibrating your monitor sets it to the brightness that will replicate the printer output, so when you adjust an image in your processing software to look how you want on screen you will be sure thats how it will look on paper.
Here are some excerpts from a document that Canon supplies with the Print Studio Pro software.
Since you already have the calibration tool you should definitely use it. It is 30 minutes well spent.
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Hey,
I have both cs5.5 & cs6 indesign both of which are giving me different values of cmyk compared against the Pantone + guide, eg if I select pms 173C and convert to cmyk the values are not correct when I check the values in the book is there a way to fix this, other wise it will be highly annoying to have to manually put in the cmyk values for each job when matching spot colours for digital prints. Any help /suggestions or if there is any settings to change?
Cheers.
Jack.

In CS6 the Pantone solid libraries are always defined as Lab—as far as I can tell the Ink Manager's Use Standard Lab Values no longer has any effect.
So these libraries are now defined as Spot colors with Lab definitons–if you convert the spots to process via Ink Manager your document's CMYK profile makes a color managed conversion:
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I have my 5D set to AdobeRGB, I have my PSCS2 working space set to AdobeRGB. I make Layer Adjustments, then print without saving(is saving prior to printing a good idea?). Prints are coming out too dark. I have recently (last 2 weeks) calibrated using Spyder3Suite. Even ACR is set to AdobeRGB.
I have my Epson printer set to allow PSCS2 to do the Color Handling, uh-oh I see the problem, I had the Printer Profile within the Print settings registered at SRGB-IEC61966-2.1. I have just printed another hard proof amd am back to close match.
So after that, the only question I have now is Should I be saving prior to printing? Or would it be better to Flatten the image first?

You don't have to save or flatten before printing, though it's a good idea to save the file so you don't have to repeat the work you've done on it.
The common reason for prints coming out "too dark" is that the monitor is too bright. When your monitor is too bright, you typically adjust your image darker so it looks good on the monitor. Those adjustments are sent along to the printer, and the prints come out dark.
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AI conversion within AI's dialogue box, not even close, when Adobe assigns the CMYK to a PMS.
Test it, so you see how far off this is:
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I have iPhoto 4.03 and Lexmark Z715 printer. Color on photos displayed in iPhoto is beautiful. When I print a photo, color is shifted towards blue. How can I make prints match the color of display? Thanks.

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I am having a problem with matching the colors in my Pantone book with the colors on my screen. My screen is calibrated with the colormunki display. The adobe suite is synchronized and I use fogra39 as my working space.
I have looked up a color in my Pantone+ uncoated guide: a deep dark red (1797c). However, when selecting the swatch in illustrator it shows up as a pinkish red. It does not match the color book at all!
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Can anyone tell me what the problem is?
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There is one point which nobody have made mention of, which also is something anyone who works in print should know about.
The first thing to know is that there are some Green and Red Pantones that are IMPOSSIBLE to reproduce on screen because of the limitation of the RGB gamut. (The RGB of screens can only reproduce a bit more than 60% of the real-life colors and around 50% of the Pantone are situated inside the remaining missing 40%. Almost EVERY Pantone, on your charts, that are situation on the 2 top and 2 bottom positions are not reproducible on screen.)
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Hello all,
I'm posting this in the hopes that someone else searching for the problem might find my post to lead them to the solution.
I recently installed Illus CS4 on my new mac (yay!)
I'm slowly working through all the new features - and new glitches.
One of those glitches was that my Pantone palette kept disappearing every time I quit Illus. And Yes... I had checked the little button that said "persistent".
Finally after searching the forums and new help center (to no avail), I started experimenting on my own.
I wish I could give you specific steps, but to be honest, I was trying several things at once and I just happened to notice that it 'magically' re-appeared.
1. quit illus if you have it open now. Leave your pantone swatch pallet the way you like it, and make sure the persistent is clicked.
2. reopen illus with no documents open. (the palette won't open).
3. open a NEW and DIFFERENT pantone swatch palette. Click persistent again.
4. quit illus.
5. reopen illus yet again. Close the 'other' pallete - Your original palette should be open now.
In a nutshell, I had to use one palette to force the other one to stay persistent. Perhaps someone can have better luck than me in describing the exact steps here.
For what it's worth, I got this to work on our second machine here as well.
I'm not sure if this matters or not, but...
The palette that I was having problems with was the Pantone Solid Coated.
I opened the Pantone Matte pallet (i think).
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Hi Wade,
I appreciate your response but with respect, none of those issues make any sense to me.
Yes, I agree, it may not be happening on your system. I wasn't saying this glitch is across the board. My co-worker in Idaho doesn't have the problem either.
But, I have two Mac Pro's here at the office with the same problem.
It can't be a corrupt pref's since I am using the same prefs when the problem happened, and when the problem was fixed.
It can't be a corrupt font. Otherwise my discovered fix would still not work. ie: I didn't uninstall any fonts nor did I mess with any fonts to fix the problem.
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It can't be a third party software, same reason.
If you can explain why opening up a second pantone swatch palette fixed the problem then I'm all ears :)
>>>
Totally unrelated...
I signed on today and did a search to see if anyone responded to my post. I searched for the word "persistent"... my post here did not show up.
This is where I searched: http://www.adobe.com/support/illustrator/
Did I search in the wrong place?

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Hi McJPP,
You're using one of the built in color setups for Photoshop, so no big deal there. Since you have your monitor properly calibrated and profiled, ColorSync shouldn't be having an issue handling the difference between the image's color space and your monitor's. Questions though. Is the image RGB? Does it have an embedded profile? If so, is it Adobe RGB 1998? I'm assuming that it does since that's your working RGB color space in Photoshop.
The grab on the left is the preview copy using:
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I took a simple grayscale image and made it RGB. I then did the same thing you did. Left image is Photoshop handling color for an Epson Stylus Pro 4000, using a profile I made for a DuPont paper. Then clicking the Preview button when the print dialogue comes up. Right image is letting the printer handle color and clicking Preview. The result is below.
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