Ownership percentage aggregation

Greetings to All,
I am new to HFM and I have a doubt on ownership % aggregation while performing consolidation. Situation like below.
Parent entity “A” has 70% ownership on it’s child entity “Aa” and we have given the same percentage for ownership while defining consolidation methods. As per my knowledge, consolidation is the sum of ownership and minority interest. In this situation how much percentage will aggregate from child entity “Aa” to parent entity “A” in consolidation?
Could you please help me on this?
Thanks in advance.

Hi 809483,
If your HFM application is configured to use Default Consolidation.
Then changing the Entity Aa [PCON] to 70 and [POWN] to 70 will result in 70% of the amount loaded in Aa to be consolidated into A. For Example if Aa had 100 USD on consolidation A would aggregate 70 USD.
PMIN will be automatically calculated as PCON - POWN
From what you've described it sounds like your HFM application is set up to perform consolidations for full and part-owned subsidiaries.
IF your HFM application has been created to perform consolidations for full and part-owned subsidiaries with defined Methods of Consolidation and specific Consolidation Rules for treating these methods. Then your results may vary depending on factors such as:
- How is 'Controlling Interest' determined?
- How are the Methods applied during Consolidation?
- How is ICP for each subsidiary treated?
- How will retained earnings into Pre and Post-Acquisition Reserves be treated?
- etc.
Depending how this data is captured and to what degree often determines the configuration of HFM Consolidaiton Methods and Rules.
Hope this helps.
In the Hyperion Administrative Guide there are a couple of chapters on this topic.
The chapter regarding Consolidation Methods.
The chapter that gives examples of Consolidation Rules.
A good place to start for Hyperion documentation is:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/middleware/epm/documentation/epm-096302.html
A good place for learning about the Hyperion products and their features is:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/tutorials/index.html
Hyperion specific tutorials:
http://apex.oracle.com/pls/apex/f?p=9830:hyperion:1797489450022582::NO:::
A good place to read about best practices and find white papers is:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/middleware/bi-foundation/resource-library-090986.html
A great place to get an excel macro that tells you what new product features have been added since the last version is:
https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/article?cmd=show&type=NOT&id=1092114.1
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Cheers,
David

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